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What Ancient Romans Used Instead of Toilet Paper
- speakeron 7y ago> Speaking of which, it’s high time that we consider changing how we clean ourselves after we use the toilet. Tersorium, anyone? Rather than the Tersorium (basically a shitty sponge), the answer is the bidet or the bidet shower[1] which is common in the Middle East and Asia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet_shower https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet_shower
- bangonkeyboard 7y agoJust two degrees of click separation to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shit_stick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shit_stick
- whenchamenia 7y agoThat was way more enlightening than a wiki page on excement wands ought to be. A gem hidden in the muck so to speak.
- rayiner 7y agoWhen we moved from Bangladesh to the US in the late 1980s, there were a couple of things that made us go “WTF?” One was the taste of chicken. In Bangladesh, you go buy a scrawny live chicken from the market and butcher it. It took me the better part of a year to be able to stomach American chicken, which tastes like wet cardboard in comparison. The other “WTF” thing was toilet paper. In Bangladesh, you rinse with water and soap after doing your business. The idea of just dry wiping was... (To this day, whenever I go to Japan and sit on a bidet, I can’t help but think “ahh, civilization.”)
- nerdponx 7y agoAmerican chicken taste like that because it's raised in a cage, fed nutritionless corn, and bred for sheer size. It's not worth eating.
- yial 7y agoHaving just recently returned from Kolkata, India ... I agree the chicken tastes so much different, and better. The bananas too ! No comparison to the bananas in the US.
- selimthegrim 7y agoWhat else suffers in comparison? The fruit?
- yial 7y agoMangos are better. But fruit that doesn’t come in a wrapper, due to the water exposure and things can be somewhat dubious quality at times. (By wrapper I mean a skin that’s removable). Potatoes and eggplant generally tasted the same to me, as did carrots. Jackfruit is much better in India too. Interesting note about the chicken, and this is anecdotal, but I’m pretty sure the chickens are a different bread then what we consume in the US. The bones always seemed thicker with less meat. (Which I believe is a chicken that’s been less bread for consumption )
- tptacek 7y agoThey almost certainly are a different breed; there are a bunch of chicken breeds indigenous to India. The are Indian chickens bred for egg-laying and those for meat. Also, the age of the chicken when slaughtered is a pretty big factor in how much flavor it has, as is the diet, which is probably the major reason supermarket CAFO chicken is flavorless. Obviously, another problem America has with chicken is its addiction to chicken breast, which is really tricky to do well. Can I just point out that this is a pretty weird combination of topics for a thread?
- fian 7y agoTo understand why the US breeds are different to other countries, have a read of: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/future-of-food/poultry-food-production-agriculture-mckenna/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/future-of-foo... It describes a competition to breed large breasted chickens in the US, post WW2. The downside to that larger breasts is a decrease in flavour.
- buf 7y agoI imported a Toto Washlet from Japan for this very reason. When you get literal shit on your hands, do you wipe it, or wash it? Why is your ass different?
- cortic 7y agoI'll tell you the difference since you asked; If you wanted to eat a hamburger, and i handed it to you with my hand.. you would eat it... I really hope i don't need to finish that thought for you. I swear this is where the saying 'Don't know your arse from your elbow' comes from.
- guitarbill 7y agodepends on which country this is and with which hand. the left hand, i would probably take offence, despite being left handed myself.
- jabl 7y agoIIRC I read somewhere that in some places people use the right hand to wash their bums, open doors, shake hands, and other dirtier stuff. Left hand is used when needing tottouch food and other cleaner things.
- FabHK 7y agoTrue. Many things are becoming more and more homogenous globally - but I found that weddings, funerals, and indeed toilets appear to be somewhat resistant to that creeping homogenisation. Many regions don't really use toilet paper, such as Iran, parts of Indonesia, etc. Personally, I like to have it handy, though in case of emergency pages from a Lufthansa flight plan work (try that with an iPad... (and yes, flight plans were printed and freely distributed decades ago)). More importantly though, many many regions provide an opportunity to wash with water, either via a separate bidet, or built into the toilet ("washlet", as famously in Japan), or with a hose (bidet shower) next to the toilet. A revelation. If you think about it, using only dry toilet paper is really rather primitive and disgusting. When I build a house, it'll have a German washing machine and dryer (maybe Korean), and a Japanese toilet.
- jayalpha 7y agoDoes a bidet really clean you? Did you buy one in the states?
- rayiner 7y agoYes, it’s a nice high pressure jet of warm water. At least in Tokyo, toilet paper is also provided, and you can double check by wiping after. They’re definitely going in when we redo the bathrooms in our house.
- Noumenon72 7y agoThis misrepresents it, at least in my disappointing experience. The jet is nowhere near powerful enough to spray off poop. You are going to be getting most of it with your fingers and the jet just helps wash it away.
- rand84545 7y agoThe trick, at least for the hose based system, is to put your finger in front of the stream to increase pressure.
- seattle_spring 7y agoSounds like a gigantic mess.
- guitarbill 7y agoI found it to work pretty well, the the only use for toilet paper being to dry off quickly. The jet spray power can often be varied. For health reasons, it is usually set to quite soft though (Washlet Syndrome).
- jsjohnst 7y agoI’ve got a BioBidet (that’s the brand name) and never once has it not fully gotten everything off. There’s a lot of varieties of bidets, you were just using a less automated style most likely.
- astazangasta 7y agoSeriously. Especially camping, where the choices are: carry around TP and then some used TP, or, just use water.
- blub 7y agoAccording to the book "How to shit in the woods", the most environmentally friendly thing to do when camping is to collect your poop and take it with you. So you can take your TP with you also.
- astazangasta 7y agoThere are places where you have to pack out your poop, like the Grand Canyon, but many places have nice composting toilets. Mount Rainier has some lovely places to take a shit. In any case there is still no advantage to bringing TP.
- seattle_spring 7y agoI sure hope you're not suggesting that you wash your poop into a river or other natural body of water.
- throwmex 7y agoAs an Indian, I too had this WTF moment. It makes me wonder why paper is still used in the western world. Makes one wonder if there is a TP lobby out there ? We used to make jokes what if a TP user have diarrhea, how many trees will that be ? If a bird shits on your hand will you use paper or water to clean it ? Its just that simple to comprehend. Just use water damn it. Cheap, hygienic, no left overs and green too !
- grosswait 7y agoWater is not universally abundant though and much more costly to transport than paper or wood.
- pkd 7y agoIt's pretty abundant in developed countries that primarily rely on toilet papers, one would presume.
- shakna 7y agoWater is a scarce resource in Australia, and it changes rather rapidly. Most cities are under permanent water restrictions, which include fitting water-saving flush systems to toilets.
- sokoloff 7y agoTransporting water in pipes under pressure does not seem that expensive intuitively.
- Youden 7y agoThe western toilets we're talking about are flushed with water, so this seems to be a non-issue.
- senorjazz 7y agoExactly, a western toilet will use about 4-5litres for a flush. To clean yourself with water will use a mug or two of water. The people in this thread talking about the increased use of water, are quite literally talking out of their arse
- u801e 7y ago> In Bangladesh, you rinse with water and soap after doing your business. The only use of toilet paper in that case would be to dry yourself off after.
- dxbydt 7y agoSometimes I wish there was a website where immigrants could list things that are far superior in their country of origin than the one they immigrated to. It’d be very useful for other immigrants so they can temper expectations before committing to such drastic change. Other than toilet practices & the taste of chicken, there’s so many areas where the third world is light years ahead of america. Often I have to fight the urge to lecture my pampered american kid on how much better it was back in india even though i was dirt poor when growing up there.
- selimthegrim 7y agoWhat else do you miss?
- rayiner 7y agoShutki mach. Mangoes. People having kids and families living together.
- m2mdas2 7y agoShukti match is long gone. Now dolfin match rules :) Kathi o ekhon onek kom thake.
- m2mdas2 7y agoOh sorry you were talking about Shutki fish.
- rayiner 7y agoYes: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjw-Nr86afiAhUE1qwKHddKDs4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindubusinessline.com%2Fblink%2Ftakeaway%2Five-got-some-fish-to-dry%2Farticle9429104.ece&psig=AOvVaw2xvo7nLwrwlDrvAIPwP0N5&ust=1558363341996303 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjw...
- blub 7y agoA stand-alone bidet which can be used to wash with soap and water is indeed much better than toiler paper when it comes to hygiene and to be honest also comfort. But it has to be liquid soap and running water, otherwise you're just growing E. coli, especially if it's some sort of shared bathroom. Nevertheless, bidets are unavailable in (I would say) most households and definitely unavailable when not using the toilet at home. Furthermore, it's rather inconvenient to use it every time after going to the bathroom because one has to pretty much take off their pants and underwear in order to have proper access. Their only advantage is that they are still more convenient than showering. The Japanese water toilets don't seem like such a great idea to me, for the same reason that properly washing ones hands after using the bathroom requires thoroughly rubbing them together for some time with soap, not just rinsing them with water: using just water doesn't work. Spraying pressured water will help with cleaning, but also spread fine particles of crap everywhere. Toilet paper may not be as efficient as a bidet, maybe less efficient than using just water, but it still works and using those Japanse toilets or a bidet is really not the mind-blowing revolution that it's made to look like. As long as one cleans up after using the toilet, washes their hands properly and showers reasonably often, I don't see any advantage to all these contraptions. It's more of a squeamishness or comfort thing. And there's always wet wipes.
- chiph 7y agoImportantly, if you're a world traveler, is to know if the culture uses toilet paper at all, and if they do, is it safe to flush or do you put it in a nearby trash bin? https://wheredoiputthepaper.com/ https://wheredoiputthepaper.com/ Memorable advice: > Loving your work, not many people go to Myanmar (Burma), and if you happen to find a toilet (and these days they tend to be Western-style sitters rather than squatting over hole sorts), put the paper in the basket or bin provided. It's worth noting here, that if you're caught short on the road, it's best not to go too far off track to find a bush as there are an awful lot of landmines littered about.
- cheerlessbog 7y agoA can for TP next to the toilet seems the default all over the developing world, assuming TP is used. I guess the plumbing is fragile.
- SECProto 7y agoThat article links at the bottom to the original source, https://www.sapiens.org/column/curiosities/ancient-roman-bathrooms/ https://www.sapiens.org/column/curiosities/ancient-roman-bat...
- adminu 7y agoI wonder why so many articles today have so many words but yet so little content? This one has a mile-long introduction. The headlines question could have been answered in rather few words. I feel a short answer had satisfied me. To make it even more frustrating to me the article teases different but-wiping techniques used today without telling me which ones. Thanks for that... I said I wonder why, I guess that was a lie. It's about having marketable content, "making the reader feel related to the situation", etc. It does strike me as bad practice though, especially when it comes to actual news. Sometimes I read an investigative piece and think to myself that it might be over soon, after all what could the author possibly have left out at this point, only to take a look at the scrollbar and realize I am at 50%. I wished for a bit more brevity, not the brevity of leaving out facts for the short clickbaity stuff but leaving out all the unnecessary filler material.
- mhb 7y agoI enjoyed your comment, but would have appreciated it even more if some of the words had said what the Romans used instead of making me look at the TFA.
- mhb 7y agoOK here: But instead of reaching for a roll of toilet paper, an ancient Roman would often grab a tersorium (or, in my technical terms, a “toilet brush for your butt”). A tersorium is an ingenious little device made by attaching a natural sponge (from the Mediterranean Sea, of course) to the end of a stick. Our ancient Roman would simply wipe him- or herself, rinse the tersorium in whatever was available (running water and/or a bucket of vinegar or salt water), and leave it for the next person to use. That’s right, it was a shared butt cleaner. (And of course, there were other means of wiping as well, such as the use of abrasive ceramic discs called pessoi.)
- Endy 7y agoThank you for posting this - you added more value than that entire article.
- RandomInteger4 7y agoNot sure, but ... Pro-Tip: If you come to the US, please throw poopy toilet paper in the toilet and not the little trash can next to the toilet which is meant for women's hygiene products.
- whenchamenia 7y agoThis is not true in all cases, if unsure, ask, or look for any helpful hints (signs, presence of tp in garbage) Its really fine either way. Many places not in large cities are on well and septic and perfer you not flush tp unless absolutely needed. "If it didnt come out of your body, it does not belong in sewage" is a better rule of thumb. Just because many americans harmfully use their toilet as a trash can does not make it correct to do so.
- zdragnar 7y agoSay what? I've lived with septic systems all my life (aside from a few years in a big city) and we've always flushed toilet paper. Wet wipes, paper towel, tampons never get flushed. Toilet paper always does.
- debatem1 7y agoNote that OP was specifically referencing America. If there is anywhere in the US where leaving toilet paper in the trash can is the cultural norm I haven't been there, and I've lived with septic tanks for probably half my life.
- fit2rule 7y agoIn Kosovo: its the opposite, you put the used paper in a bin specially placed for the purpose. I was very, very confused about the hygienic requirements during a recent visit - turns out that they don't have the plumbing to handle the paper in the loo.
- Theodores 7y agoNearby in Greece the pipes are 2 inch diameter, not 4 inches as is expected in the UK. Apparently the pipes were a British addition to Greece, I would like to know the story and if in nearby Kosovo you have the same diminutive pipe problem - 2" diameter.
- cdelsolar 7y agoThe most annoying part about this article is that he never specified how they cleaned his son’s butt.
- cafebabbe 7y ago[Narrator voice] They didn't.
- asimpletune 7y agoMaybe it’s possible that the shared poop cleaner had some unknown health benefits as well. Obviously we all understand the risks, but there are potential upsides as well. I’m not familiar what they could be precisely, but I know there’s a lot of ongoing research into stool transplants and other poop-related remedies.
- pkd 7y agoI'm still surprised how many people here get defensive when it gets pointed out that toilet paper is not the best solution for cleaning up. Everybody should try using a bidet sometime and see the difference for themselves.
- blub 7y agoIt's not the best, but it works pretty great in the end: one is reasonably clean until one can properly clean themselves. It's available everywhere (not just at home), easy to carry and easy to dispose of. Wet wipes are a nice upgrade for those that can't stand the thought of TP, although they're usually not that easy to dispose of when not at home.
- beatgammit 7y agoAnd wet wipes are kind of expensive and wasteful. A bidet is just so much simpler (jet of water cleans you, washable rag dries you). Honestly, I don't get what the big deal is. People latch on to a solution that still leaves something behind, when another solution is both cheaper and more effective (and eliminates the occasional itching you get if you didn't do a good job with TP). My only complaint is that there not common.
- stoppergoo 7y agoseems like the sponge can spread disease.
- tres 7y agoToday, toilet paper is ubiquitous in Western cultures; it’s a US$9.5 billion-a-year industry in the United States. Americans, in their typical excess, use more than 50 pounds per person per year! About 1.75 tons of raw fiber are required to manufacture each ton of toilet paper. That doesn’t seem sustainable, and frankly, I’m surprised that people haven’t protested more as a result. Given these numbers and the marketing efforts behind them, it’s hard to argue that the use of toilet paper is somehow natural. On the contrary, toilet paper is nothing more than a technology. So the next time you’re enjoying a morning constitutional, think about the fact that defecation and urination are more than biological functions; they are cultural activities that involve artifacts and technologies that change through time. My takeaways: * Lots of opportunity in taking on the "dirty jobs" that don't get the glamor. * Something so ubiquitous and integral to our daily lives is a relatively recent introduction... It's not "perfect," nor "finished;" thinking about this mainstay as a piece of technology that can be made better holds opportunity.
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- Retric 7y ago“One tree produces about 200 rolls (100 pounds (45 kg)).” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper Now, how much land each tree needs, and how long it takes to grow is not exactly easy to calculate. But, something like 2 * 200 trees per acre / 20 years for fast growth forest ~= 1/20 acre of forest per person for sustainable production does not sound bad. And that’s assuming you can’t use waste streams from some other processes like sawmills.
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- microwavecamera 7y agoHuman urine is full of ammonia and other chemicals that are great natural detergents. If you worked in a Roman laundromat, your job was to stomp on clothes all day long—barefoot and ankle deep in colossal vats of human pee. It gets worse, the ancient Romans also used urine as a mouthwash to whiten their teeth.
- ravar 7y agowait, our urine doesn't contain ammonia, we convert nitrogen to urea as it is far less toxic than ammonia.
- spurgu 7y ago> Because urea in urine breaks down into ammonia, urine has been used for the cleaning properties of the ammonia therein. In pre-industrial times urine was used – in the form of lant or aged urine – as a cleaning fluid.[25] Urine was also used for whitening teeth in Ancient Rome. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine#Cleaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine#Cleaning
- doc_gunthrop 7y agoThere's a YouTube channel, called Invicta, that produces videos that cover how ancient civilizations handled commonplace tasks; their "How They Did It" series includes videos on things like how ancient Romans ran elections, paid taxes, and went to the bathroom. Not part of that playlist, but a beginning recommendation of mine is their video "Everyday Moments in History - A Roman Soldier Prepares Dinner"(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-l_EbXE3LU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-l_EbXE3LU).
- MobileVet 7y agoI thought they used the 3 shells...
- bangonkeyboard 7y agoOne up, one down, and one to polish?
- c3534l 7y agoI can't imagine living in a society before they invented the three seashells.
- marci 7y agoAll the unecessary swearing...
- nobrains 7y agoToilet paper vs. water. The decision is clear, at least in my opinion: Water. Water, by far. And from so many angles (hygeine, cost, ecology, availablity, ikkiness, etc.)
- fouc 7y agoI really like the water gun next to the toilet in Thai bathrooms. It's multi-functional, not only can you use it as a bidet, but you can use it to wash other things.
- latchkey 7y agoIt is called a 'bum gun'. =) So much better than paper!
- spacedog11 7y agoan ancient Roman would often grab a tersorium (or, in my technical terms, a “toilet brush for your butt”). Picture: http://static.nautil.us/16038_96fb9b48825b741083d35b0137af1be0.jpg http://static.nautil.us/16038_96fb9b48825b741083d35b0137af1b...
- nobodyandproud 7y agoAmericans don't have a high ground here. The first time I used a modern bidet was eye-opening. It eliminates the funk. It's environmentally friendly. It's easier on the bum, if you have hemmaroids (I don't, but this is the report from friends and family that do suffer). And it just feels refreshing. The toilet paper is only needed to sanity check cleanliness and dry out. The American squeamishness over the bidet is irrational and overdue for a change.
- edoceo 7y agoThe hemroid thing 100%. For all us desk jockies, they'll happen! Paper hurts, bidet/water all the way.
- jseliger 7y agoFor all us desk jockies, they'll happen Sit-stand desk https://jakeseliger.com/2015/01/24/geekdesk-max-sit-stand-desk-review-two-years-with-a-motorized-desk/ https://jakeseliger.com/2015/01/24/geekdesk-max-sit-stand-de...
- rootusrootus 7y agoI read somewhere that everyone has hemorrhoids, they just become noteworthy when significantly prolapsed or inflamed.
- aszantu 7y agohttps://www.gutsense.org/fiber-menace/why-fiber-causes-hemorrhoids.html https://www.gutsense.org/fiber-menace/why-fiber-causes-hemor...
- thatoneuser 7y agoOK I've seen the bidet crowd grow for years. Never used one but how does it actually remove all the filth? If I got shit on my arm or something I wouldn't be satisfied squirting some water on it - I'd scrub scrub scrub. I just can't see how it does as good a job. Any input? Also - how do you prevent the bidet from becoming a fecal squirtgun? It sits inside the toilet no? Aren't you in effect washing off with everyone's shit mixed in?
- hdjsjjejd 7y agoAh I bet the author doesn’t know how to use the 3 shells...
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- firekvz 7y agoFunny story, as a Venezuelan and having toilet paper shortages I was forced to go water and soap. Never comming back, not even with all the toilet paper in the world The feeling is shared with alot of friends (we joke about this as a way to keep the good mood agains the crisis) but a lot of people have realized that toilet paper is not the correct way plus a huge waste of money (we have to pay around 0.5$ per roll nowdays) Bidets are not a thing here but since alot of Venezuelans are on my same position and also alot of venezuelans have migrated to Argentina, a country where bidets are pretty common, I foresight it becoming a thing in the next few years. Invest in bidets!
- gcb0 7y agoThe legend goes that bidets where associated with whorehouses in literature from europe (as most literature not focusing on body fluids would not have reasons to mention bidets), so that when apartments started to be retrofitted for plumbing (initially for a kitchen!) in the USA, the extremely puritanical society left the bidets out.
- nextos 7y agoBidets are quite common in France and Spain, but I haven't seen many anywhere else in EU. A really practical solution to simulate a real bidet is to buy bidet cleansing foam and/or a portable bidet. You spray the cleansing foam into regular toilet paper, and it does improve performance a lot. Afterwards, just use the portable bidet.
- L_226 7y agoItalians are quite keen on bidets. My (Italian) partner always complains about the lack of bidets here in Germany (and anywhere else we go).
- LifeLiverTransp 7y agoRightfully soo.. the forrest cut for the butts stinks to heaven. Germany should have bidets like any other civilized country. I dare to mention, that a lot of bidet development has to do, with the lack of piping that could handle large congesting cellular clumps of matter. So - the more recent the canalisation - and the bigger the pipesizes used, the less need for biddets.
- foxhop 7y agoI pee in a sealed orange juice jug. It takes me about 3-4 days to fill it, at which point I take it with me during my morning garden walk about and pour it on top of my compost pile. The resource is too valuable to piss away.
- tasty_freeze 7y agoI have read the glowing endorsements of bidets on reddit and HN for a long time. I've researched after-market bidets that would be suitable for my bathroom. I've bookmarked a few that seem suitable and have good reviews. But there is one thing which stops me. I'm not sure of the exact details. Even in this thread, I don't know the brass tacks of using one. Do I turn on the sprayer and that is that? Or do I mechanically rub my ass with my hand during/after the anus gets wet? Then do I use toilet paper to dry? Just how much of my ass is going to get wet? Then of course I need to use soap and water to clean up my hands. But someone else below said they use soap and water on their butt. Too much is left to the imagination. Does anyone want to provide a detailed, step-by-step process of what I should do once I install one?
- itsfuckingwater 7y agoJust spray your fucking ass with the water, and then get it clean and dry with the other stuff. There are no rules. Just make sure the shit goes away, and try not to stink. Like taking a shower, but not as much shower. Just the asshole cleaning portion of bath time, isolated from the rest of bath time, and made readily available for when you need to take a shit, and don't want the whole body shower and change of clothes experience. That's it.
- igammarays 7y agoYeah, if you just spray and pray you’re going to have a bad time. The way I was taught as a Middle Eastern man was: first use toilet paper at least three times to remove the majority of the material. Secondly, hold the spray hose or the bottle in your right hand and point downwards towards your perineum from the FRONT of your legs. Use your left hand to lift your junk and have two fingers down there. Now pour water over your left hand towards the perineum, and let the fingers carry the water and rub to clean out the ass crack. Usually a single litre water bottle is enough to feel extremely clean and refreshed. This method obviously works better if you’re squatting, but I use it with western toilets too. The most common mistake people make is to try and put their hands behind their back or pour the water from behind - makes a mess and doesn’t clean right. The imagery of the cleaning motion is like a woman fingering herself.
- xchip 7y agoTL;DR: An ancient Roman would often grab a tersorium.[...] A tersorium is an ingenious little device made by attaching a natural sponge (from the Mediterranean Sea, of course) to the end of a stick
- ramon 7y agoHere in Brazil is chuveirinho, we used to use the bidets but it just takes up took much room and it looks ugly after usage. Inside the toilet the chuveirinho works well then we use the paper to finish the cleanup.
- njharman 7y agoGreat documentary I watched today that touched on this very subject "Toilet the Unspoken History" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZHm3vkavgM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZHm3vkavgM
- vagab0nd 7y agoJust try a bidet, please. It's so worth it. I had a "itchy butt" for the longest time. Tried many methods, saw many doctors (not fun!). Found no real solution. Flushable wet wipes helped somewhat, but didn't completely solve the problem and it would come back from time to time. Plus I was seriously concerned about clogging. Then tried a bidet for a week, and... years of pain (I mean, itchiness), gone, just like that.
- mmwelt 7y agoVery similar article by the same author a year ago: https://www.sapiens.org/column/curiosities/ancient-roman-bathrooms/ https://www.sapiens.org/column/curiosities/ancient-roman-bat... There was even a HN discussion about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16757044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16757044
- em-bee 7y ago"no business is complete until the paperwork is done" (author unknown)
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