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Wasn't Netflix a Node.JS shop two years ago when Node was popular and now when Python is the most popular they are a Python shop ? :P (sarcasm) It's good to use

by z3t4 8y ago

Wasn't Netflix a Node.JS shop two years ago when Node was popular and now when Python is the most popular they are a Python shop ? :P (sarcasm) It's good to use many languages as it favors a micro-service architecture.

tombert 8y ago
Is Python the most popular language now? I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to see how out-of-the-loop I am nowadays.
- yifanl 8y ago
  Depends on how you measure most popular. I think I saw a post here saying that the most new questions on SO were for python over js now, which might be a good enough proxy?
  - tombert 8y ago
    I suppose Python is so popular in the ML and data-science spaces now that it makes some sense. I don't know a lot about those spaces, and the little bit I've played with neural networks I've done with Clojure because I'm hipster. Amazing how much of a pure-functional bubble I live in now. I should probably branch out more.
    - adrianhel 8y ago
      The university I went to have now switched from Java to Python for introductory computer science. So this type of change may influence this increase in popularity as well. I remember being a bit baffled that they used Java and not Python as an introductory language. It's a very obvious choice for beginners. Lol, I remember the first lesson. class HelloWorld { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello, world"); } }
      - istjohn 8y ago
        That was the first piece of code I learned, too. It's a small miracle I somehow still managed to fall in love with programming that semester.
        tombert 8y ago
        My first language was C++ (which I hate now), then I learned Haskell, and then I went to college and learned Java, and I remember honestly feeling that the "hello world" that they teach must be somewhat of an "academic version" of things; there's no way anyone would write code that verbose that accomplishes that little. Now I have a job where I do Java about 30-40% of the time, and I've become horrified to learn that the school version of Java is the easy version. Having to create three different files to set up a database connection never ceases to depress me.
  - newen 8y ago
    A lot of universities are teaching using python now.
- bouncing 8y ago
  If search metrics are a valid measure: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/26/python-is-becoming-the-worlds-most-popular-coding-language https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/26/python-i...
  - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
    I think it's the popular learner language (UK schools seem to all use it now), which would probably correlate with higher search frequency.
    - bouncing 8y ago
      Could be it. Another measure could be looking at commits on github, but that also has its own biases.
- passthejoe 8y ago
  I've been resisting Python for years, but it just keeps getting more popular (and support and more/better libraries come along with that), so I might just stop fighting using it for local scripts and small GUI projects.
  - tigershark 8y ago
    I don’t really think that it’s a good idea for guis.
    - gmanley 8y ago
      PyQt is one of the better cross platform GUI libraries for higher level languages. Obviously all the issues that apply to cross platform GUI libraries still apply, though.
  - felipellrocha 8y ago
    Why would you resist it?
    - zornado 8y ago
      It would be nice if the language was typed. Easier for overall maintenance, and refactoring for big projects.
      - 52-6F-62 8y ago
        There is a way: http://mypy-lang.org/ http://mypy-lang.org/ I've used Python a fair bit for a variety of semi-permanent or long scripts. I would have liked types more as well. Discovered MyPy after those instances.
      - stuxnet79 8y ago
        Python 3 is typed. Not strongly typed but the point remains. Python is used in a lot of domains and I feel the strides the language has made over the past decade have made it very competitive and a worthy addition to any programmer's toolbox.
- kickopotomus 8y ago
  It has gained a lot of popularity and is used across disciplines pretty heavily. Apart from the typical CS uses, it's used a lot by scientists and engineers because it's pretty easy to pick up and the available resources have snowballed such that someone has probably already solved your problem so all you have to do is import antigravity[0]. [0]: https://xkcd.com/353/ https://xkcd.com/353/
- wongarsu 8y ago
  Python has seen an increase because most ML is done in Python and ML is a popular topic right now. "most popular" is hard to measure or even define.
aaronblohowiak 8y ago
Python at Netflix 2013 edition: https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/python-at-netflix-86b6028b3b3e https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/python-at-netflix-86b602... Though it is outside my area of expertise, Node usage continues to increase as well. Different use-cases.
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bcrosby95 8y ago
At a company the size of netflix, I would imagine they're using all sorts of languages. I have a friend that works there and he primarily codes in c and/or c++.
batbomb 8y ago
I'd say a "shop" implies less than 150 employees. So there are many "shops" inside Netflix.
nerdponx 8y ago
It's good to use many languages as it favors a micro-service architecture. I'd argue the converse: one advantage of a micro-service architecture is that it lets you use the best language for any particular task (where best could be "what your team is most comfortable with" or "has the most extensive library support" or something else).

by z3t4 8y ago

tombert 8y ago

Is Python the most popular language now? I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to see how out-of-the-loop I am nowadays.

yifanl 8y ago
Depends on how you measure most popular. I think I saw a post here saying that the most new questions on SO were for python over js now, which might be a good enough proxy?
- tombert 8y ago
  I suppose Python is so popular in the ML and data-science spaces now that it makes some sense. I don't know a lot about those spaces, and the little bit I've played with neural networks I've done with Clojure because I'm hipster. Amazing how much of a pure-functional bubble I live in now. I should probably branch out more.
  - adrianhel 8y ago
    The university I went to have now switched from Java to Python for introductory computer science. So this type of change may influence this increase in popularity as well. I remember being a bit baffled that they used Java and not Python as an introductory language. It's a very obvious choice for beginners. Lol, I remember the first lesson. class HelloWorld { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello, world"); } }
    - istjohn 8y ago
      That was the first piece of code I learned, too. It's a small miracle I somehow still managed to fall in love with programming that semester.
      - tombert 8y ago
        My first language was C++ (which I hate now), then I learned Haskell, and then I went to college and learned Java, and I remember honestly feeling that the "hello world" that they teach must be somewhat of an "academic version" of things; there's no way anyone would write code that verbose that accomplishes that little. Now I have a job where I do Java about 30-40% of the time, and I've become horrified to learn that the school version of Java is the easy version. Having to create three different files to set up a database connection never ceases to depress me.
- newen 8y ago
  A lot of universities are teaching using python now.
bouncing 8y ago
If search metrics are a valid measure: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/26/python-is-becoming-the-worlds-most-popular-coding-language https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/07/26/python-i...
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago
  I think it's the popular learner language (UK schools seem to all use it now), which would probably correlate with higher search frequency.
  - bouncing 8y ago
    Could be it. Another measure could be looking at commits on github, but that also has its own biases.
passthejoe 8y ago
I've been resisting Python for years, but it just keeps getting more popular (and support and more/better libraries come along with that), so I might just stop fighting using it for local scripts and small GUI projects.
- tigershark 8y ago
  I don’t really think that it’s a good idea for guis.
  - gmanley 8y ago
    PyQt is one of the better cross platform GUI libraries for higher level languages. Obviously all the issues that apply to cross platform GUI libraries still apply, though.
- felipellrocha 8y ago
  Why would you resist it?
  - zornado 8y ago
    It would be nice if the language was typed. Easier for overall maintenance, and refactoring for big projects.
    - 52-6F-62 8y ago
      There is a way: http://mypy-lang.org/ http://mypy-lang.org/ I've used Python a fair bit for a variety of semi-permanent or long scripts. I would have liked types more as well. Discovered MyPy after those instances.
    - stuxnet79 8y ago
      Python 3 is typed. Not strongly typed but the point remains. Python is used in a lot of domains and I feel the strides the language has made over the past decade have made it very competitive and a worthy addition to any programmer's toolbox.
kickopotomus 8y ago
It has gained a lot of popularity and is used across disciplines pretty heavily. Apart from the typical CS uses, it's used a lot by scientists and engineers because it's pretty easy to pick up and the available resources have snowballed such that someone has probably already solved your problem so all you have to do is import antigravity[0]. [0]: https://xkcd.com/353/ https://xkcd.com/353/
wongarsu 8y ago
Python has seen an increase because most ML is done in Python and ML is a popular topic right now. "most popular" is hard to measure or even define.

aaronblohowiak 8y ago

Python at Netflix 2013 edition: https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/python-at-netflix-86b6028b3b3e https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/python-at-netflix-86b602... Though it is outside my area of expertise, Node usage continues to increase as well. Different use-cases.

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bcrosby95 8y ago

At a company the size of netflix, I would imagine they're using all sorts of languages. I have a friend that works there and he primarily codes in c and/or c++.

batbomb 8y ago

I'd say a "shop" implies less than 150 employees. So there are many "shops" inside Netflix.

nerdponx 8y ago

It's good to use many languages as it favors a micro-service architecture. I'd argue the converse: one advantage of a micro-service architecture is that it lets you use the best language for any particular task (where best could be "what your team is most comfortable with" or "has the most extensive library support" or something else).