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It's not politics, it's human decency, and he violated human decency.

by diminoten 8y ago

commandlinefan 8y ago
That's not even a little bit true.
- diminoten 8y ago
  Framing this as a truth/not truth conversation is only going to cause a flame war...
lopmotr 8y ago
By doing what? Pulling the curtain open on psychological findings? Your idea of human decency is to keep science secret if it has politically inconvenient conclusions? He was trying to support Google's goal or hiring more women. What riled people up was that he proposed doing it by making the company more attractive to them instead of forcing women into a system designed by and for men. Also, politics is human decency. It's a way of imposing our morals onto everyone else. Some people (protesting Googlers) think killing people in wars is against human decency. It is, and it's also political.
- diminoten 8y ago
  No, my idea of human decency is to respect the wrongs of the past and to not try and sweep them under the rug under the guise of equality now. Awful convenient for the straight white males to be demanding equality now, but not when they were the ones benefiting from the tipped scales before. And no, politics isn't inherently about human decency.
  - pacala 8y ago
    Listen to yourself, openly racist and sexist. Be specific, what wrongs of the past? Which straight white male employee of Google today is benefiting from what tipped scales of the past? How about the straight asian males [like the CEO], are they also benefiting from tipped scales? What about white females, are they also carrying the unspecified guilt burden of their forefathers?
  - lopmotr 8y ago
    > No, my idea of human decency is to respect the wrongs of the past and to not try and sweep them under the rug under the guise of equality now. Don't try to make a workplace more attractive to women because it's better to criticize people from the past instead? > Awful convenient for the straight white males to be demanding equality now Do you want equality or do you want oppression of the popularly marginalized group (straight white males) as punishment for what different people from the same group did in the past?
    - diminoten 8y ago
      You fundamentally misunderstand the situation if you think straight white males are being oppressed. Consider two people who are equally qualified; one is a straight white male, the other is a minority gay woman. The fact that they're equally qualified demonstrates the minority gay woman is a better hire, because she did the same as the straight white male, but with fewer resources. It stands to reason then that providing her with additional resources will result in a higher output than what the straight white male would be capable of. The reality is, straight white males are given plenty of extra resources and opportunities, and despite that they're very frequently on the same level as people who have been given less. Those are the situations that are relevant; no one is hiring unqualified people to do jobs. If Harvard accepted every qualified applicant, they'd have to triple their enrollment. The reality is there are very often too many well qualified people and not enough slots, be it a job or any admissions/application process. Pretending like less qualified people are being let in, and the straight white males are being denied despite being just as good is a complete lie. By providing opportunity to minorities in hiring, Google is simply leveling the playing field. It's beginning the process of giving those minorities opportunities that have been granted to straight white males for literally millennia.
      - lopmotr 8y ago
        You've forgotten the main lesson from the history of civil rights. Let me get Martin Luther King Jr. to explain it: "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." You gave an example of how you want to oppress straight white males, and that actually happens, which is why I believe they're oppressed. Millennia? Since nobody lives that long, it's clear that you want revenge on a whole class of people for something that different people did.
Bantros 8y ago
You'd fit right in at Google

It's not politics, it's human decency, and he violated human decency.

commandlinefan 8y ago

That's not even a little bit true.

diminoten 8y ago
Framing this as a truth/not truth conversation is only going to cause a flame war...

lopmotr 8y ago

By doing what? Pulling the curtain open on psychological findings? Your idea of human decency is to keep science secret if it has politically inconvenient conclusions? He was trying to support Google's goal or hiring more women. What riled people up was that he proposed doing it by making the company more attractive to them instead of forcing women into a system designed by and for men. Also, politics is human decency. It's a way of imposing our morals onto everyone else. Some people (protesting Googlers) think killing people in wars is against human decency. It is, and it's also political.

diminoten 8y ago
No, my idea of human decency is to respect the wrongs of the past and to not try and sweep them under the rug under the guise of equality now. Awful convenient for the straight white males to be demanding equality now, but not when they were the ones benefiting from the tipped scales before. And no, politics isn't inherently about human decency.
- pacala 8y ago
  Listen to yourself, openly racist and sexist. Be specific, what wrongs of the past? Which straight white male employee of Google today is benefiting from what tipped scales of the past? How about the straight asian males [like the CEO], are they also benefiting from tipped scales? What about white females, are they also carrying the unspecified guilt burden of their forefathers?
- lopmotr 8y ago
  > No, my idea of human decency is to respect the wrongs of the past and to not try and sweep them under the rug under the guise of equality now. Don't try to make a workplace more attractive to women because it's better to criticize people from the past instead? > Awful convenient for the straight white males to be demanding equality now Do you want equality or do you want oppression of the popularly marginalized group (straight white males) as punishment for what different people from the same group did in the past?
  - diminoten 8y ago
    You fundamentally misunderstand the situation if you think straight white males are being oppressed. Consider two people who are equally qualified; one is a straight white male, the other is a minority gay woman. The fact that they're equally qualified demonstrates the minority gay woman is a better hire, because she did the same as the straight white male, but with fewer resources. It stands to reason then that providing her with additional resources will result in a higher output than what the straight white male would be capable of. The reality is, straight white males are given plenty of extra resources and opportunities, and despite that they're very frequently on the same level as people who have been given less. Those are the situations that are relevant; no one is hiring unqualified people to do jobs. If Harvard accepted every qualified applicant, they'd have to triple their enrollment. The reality is there are very often too many well qualified people and not enough slots, be it a job or any admissions/application process. Pretending like less qualified people are being let in, and the straight white males are being denied despite being just as good is a complete lie. By providing opportunity to minorities in hiring, Google is simply leveling the playing field. It's beginning the process of giving those minorities opportunities that have been granted to straight white males for literally millennia.
    - lopmotr 8y ago
      You've forgotten the main lesson from the history of civil rights. Let me get Martin Luther King Jr. to explain it: "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." You gave an example of how you want to oppress straight white males, and that actually happens, which is why I believe they're oppressed. Millennia? Since nobody lives that long, it's clear that you want revenge on a whole class of people for something that different people did.

Bantros 8y ago

You'd fit right in at Google