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This was tried during the first dot-com boom as well! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllAdvantage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllAdvantage

by sbarre 8y ago

ChrisCinelli 8y ago
I remember some friends using it with some tools to move the mouse around so they could get paid without staying in front of the computer. But it was very little money and it was probably costing more electricity than the money they were getting but for a teenager it was ok.
- toast0 8y ago
  I managed to get one or two checks, I tweaked the programs I was running anyway (AIM, mIRC, etc) to have Internet Explorer in the window title, so I got credit when I was doing whatever I was going to do anyway. Sometimes I moved the ad window off screen with LiteStep though :D
  - Scoundreller 8y ago
    And that was probably the lower end of things. On the higher end, users would artificially generate hundreds of fake referrals and auto-surf for them, generating large amounts of referral revenues.
- aestetix 8y ago
  It was more money if you set up a bunch of computers all doing the same thing.
nostrademons 8y ago
It's different from AllAdvantage with the addition of market mechanisms to correctly price the attention consumed by ads. That's why users get tokens for viewing, why users can turn the ads off entirely, and why the tokens are tradeable on exchanges. It creates a built-in feedback mechanism. If BAT is priced too low, then everybody will opt out of ads (because it won't be worth it to them), very little BAT will be available on the market, and advertisers will have to bid up the price of BAT to run their ads. If BAT is priced too high, there will be excess ad inventory, no advertisers will buy in, and the price of BAT will fall until it reaches an equilibrium. AllAdvantage.com failed in a large part because they mispriced the rebates going back to users. They burned through all their VC cash, didn't provide enough value to advertisers, and went out of business. Brave avoids that by letting the market make the pricing decisions. This is something that couldn't have been done at all before cryptocurrencies, which is what makes this project somewhat interesting.
- manigandham 8y ago
  Why would advertisers bid higher when this is not the only channel and comes with less targeting and increased fraud potential? Why would users opt-in at all to see ads when they're already blocked? There seems to be missing component of why both sides want to interact through the Brave network.
  - nostrademons 8y ago
    > Why would advertisers bid higher when this is not the only channel and comes with less targeting and increased fraud potential? Brave's model - like all ad-supported ones - depends upon them getting very big, enough that they get a substantial fraction of total user attention. They're going for this by blocking all existing ads, which in today's web makes the browser significantly faster and less annoying. They're at about 5.5M users as of January 2019, up from 3M in July 2018. That's still a long way to go, but it's growing fast. > Why would users opt-in at all to see ads when they're already blocked? Because they get money for it.
    - manigandham 8y ago
      "“A lot of users don’t want to cash out [when they receive BAT],” he added. “It’s not a huge amount of value for most people, so they may prefer to just use it to give back." In that case, it's just an ad network. Users watch ads, publishers get paid. Only difference is a new middleman and 2 hops for payments. Also if the money does add up to a sizable amount then it will be overrun by ad fraud.
      - rvnx 8y ago
        It's an incentive adnetwork, users are paid for watching (openly) and clicking ads and installing offers (implicitly, because they get more money if they do). Is it sustainable for advertisers ? Would you want to pay for visitors forced to click on your ads ?
        krageon 8y ago
quotemstr 8y ago
It's another sign that we're heading for 1999 part 2. I remember what the end of the last boom felt like, and I'm definitely getting the same tingly feeling now.
- rvnx 8y ago
  Time to setup your autosurf and get some crypto ;)

This was tried during the first dot-com boom as well! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllAdvantage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllAdvantage

by sbarre 8y ago

This was tried during the first dot-com boom as well! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllAdvantage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllAdvantage

ChrisCinelli 8y ago

I remember some friends using it with some tools to move the mouse around so they could get paid without staying in front of the computer. But it was very little money and it was probably costing more electricity than the money they were getting but for a teenager it was ok.

toast0 8y ago
I managed to get one or two checks, I tweaked the programs I was running anyway (AIM, mIRC, etc) to have Internet Explorer in the window title, so I got credit when I was doing whatever I was going to do anyway. Sometimes I moved the ad window off screen with LiteStep though :D
- Scoundreller 8y ago
  And that was probably the lower end of things. On the higher end, users would artificially generate hundreds of fake referrals and auto-surf for them, generating large amounts of referral revenues.
aestetix 8y ago
It was more money if you set up a bunch of computers all doing the same thing.

nostrademons 8y ago

It's different from AllAdvantage with the addition of market mechanisms to correctly price the attention consumed by ads. That's why users get tokens for viewing, why users can turn the ads off entirely, and why the tokens are tradeable on exchanges. It creates a built-in feedback mechanism. If BAT is priced too low, then everybody will opt out of ads (because it won't be worth it to them), very little BAT will be available on the market, and advertisers will have to bid up the price of BAT to run their ads. If BAT is priced too high, there will be excess ad inventory, no advertisers will buy in, and the price of BAT will fall until it reaches an equilibrium. AllAdvantage.com failed in a large part because they mispriced the rebates going back to users. They burned through all their VC cash, didn't provide enough value to advertisers, and went out of business. Brave avoids that by letting the market make the pricing decisions. This is something that couldn't have been done at all before cryptocurrencies, which is what makes this project somewhat interesting.

manigandham 8y ago
Why would advertisers bid higher when this is not the only channel and comes with less targeting and increased fraud potential? Why would users opt-in at all to see ads when they're already blocked? There seems to be missing component of why both sides want to interact through the Brave network.
- nostrademons 8y ago
  > Why would advertisers bid higher when this is not the only channel and comes with less targeting and increased fraud potential? Brave's model - like all ad-supported ones - depends upon them getting very big, enough that they get a substantial fraction of total user attention. They're going for this by blocking all existing ads, which in today's web makes the browser significantly faster and less annoying. They're at about 5.5M users as of January 2019, up from 3M in July 2018. That's still a long way to go, but it's growing fast. > Why would users opt-in at all to see ads when they're already blocked? Because they get money for it.
  - manigandham 8y ago
    "“A lot of users don’t want to cash out [when they receive BAT],” he added. “It’s not a huge amount of value for most people, so they may prefer to just use it to give back." In that case, it's just an ad network. Users watch ads, publishers get paid. Only difference is a new middleman and 2 hops for payments. Also if the money does add up to a sizable amount then it will be overrun by ad fraud.
    - rvnx 8y ago
      It's an incentive adnetwork, users are paid for watching (openly) and clicking ads and installing offers (implicitly, because they get more money if they do). Is it sustainable for advertisers ? Would you want to pay for visitors forced to click on your ads ?
      - krageon 8y ago

quotemstr 8y ago

It's another sign that we're heading for 1999 part 2. I remember what the end of the last boom felt like, and I'm definitely getting the same tingly feeling now.

rvnx 8y ago
Time to setup your autosurf and get some crypto ;)