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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland
- _Codemonkeyism 8y agoTLDR All the Tesla 3 preorders arrived [1][2] in Switzerland in one month, putting the Tesla sales of usually one year (~1500) into one month, making it the "best-selling"[3] car in Switzerland ahead of Skoda and VW (for the month of March). [1] one with a bit more knowledge than me can probably find the ship and the shipment. [2] see comments on that article from users getting theirs with that shipment [3] have probably been sold months earlier, better worded "most-delivered"
- klausjensen 8y agoThat is a super important piece of information to put this in perspective. Nice catch.
- _Codemonkeyism 8y ago#TorchedByElonCultOnHN
- lazyjones 8y agoNot true. The first Model 3 arrived in Switzerland in the 3rd week of February (2019-02-16). Tesla already sold 316 in February 2019 (+754% YoY). How much of an exceptional month March will be for the year, we'll see after the April data is released. The number of preorders for Model 3 in Switzerland should be easily 1 order of magnitude higher than what they delivered in March.
- simion314 8y agoYour comment contains exact numbers why not also put the source where you found them?
- short_sells_poo 8y ago> Tesla already sold 316 in February 2019 (+754% YoY). I'm sure that's not your intention but please don't quote % numbers like this because it is extremely misleading and has zero indicative value. Going from selling one car to selling 100 is a 10000% increase. Is that a meaningful figure? No. All it does is inflate the percieved growth and makes the post look biased and suspect of having an agenda. Values that are useful in such a context is the number of cars sold from other makers in the same segment or the growth of new models from other brands.
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- threeseed 8y agoHow is it definitely "not true" if your position is to just wait and see until April ? And not sure why YoY numbers are important given that it's a cheaper car being sold here. Of course it's going to be higher. Problem of course is a lot less margin.
- lazyjones 8y ago> How is it definitely "not true" if your position is to just wait and see until April ? "All the Tesla 3 preorders arrived [1][2] in Switzerland in one month" is of course complete nonsense. Because not only did plenty arrive in February already, but the preorders were much higher than what came in March.
- _Codemonkeyism 8y agoThis is probably a Gauss curve with some early, then peaking, then going down again.
- _Codemonkeyism 8y agoI love your "The recent trend of ideologically motivated downvoting of factual arguments [...]" and then downvoting on ideological grounds with "+754%" right out "How to Lie with Statistics". Looking at the graph in the article shows the whole picture.
- lazyjones 8y ago> then downvoting on ideological grounds I downvoted a clearly factually wrong statement, namely that "all preorders were delivered in one month". The "754%" were a direct quote, source above, that indicates clearly that March wasn't the first (and only) month with increased sales due to the Model 3. Individual sales figures for the Model 3 were not available to me, otherwise I would have posted them (my estimate is around 280-300).
- _Codemonkeyism 8y agoThe "all preorders" was a generalization for "the peak of a steep Gauss curve was in one month". At least that was my explanation. What would be yours? Most people in Switzerland suddenly bought Model3s instead of VM Golfs in February?
- michaelscott 8y agoIf that YoY figure is for Model 3s in Switzerland, then you really can't quote it as a figure with any statistical honesty. A year from first delivery hasn't even elapsed yet.
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- disiplus 8y agosource https://www.auto.swiss/home/ https://www.auto.swiss/home/ I'm sure those numbers will drop a lot.
- jsight 8y agoYeah, tbh, I get a little tired of the narratives around Tesla's individual European country deliveries. Both the fans and the more bearish have posted stats like this from time to time based on short-term trends. The more interesting figure will be the whole year figure, IMO. Month to month values will fluctuate wildly, by the nature of their handling of inventory.
- azhenley 8y agoAny insight on whether this will make up for the falling Q1 sales in the US?
- kissickas 8y agoThis was the case in March, meaning it was within the Q1 release (and obviously didn't make up for the drop in the US). Actually, the long lead time to get shipments to Europe may be what caused a lot of the drop in the US - Q1 was the first chance for shipments to Europe after Tesla's Q4 was mostly focused on getting Model 3s out across the US. The "other Europe" region still hasn't gotten any shipments, as far as I'm aware. Personally I'm of the view that there is no drop in demand for the cars, just Q4 last year demonstrated the massive backlog they had in orders. When (if?) $35,000 cars actually start shipping, we'll start to see what actual sustained demand looks like.
- jsight 8y agoI agree with you for the most part. The Q4 results had guidance indicating that Q1 would end with ~10K vehicles in transit at the end. That is exactly the result. There were two surprises, though. They also guided flat shipments of X and S, when in reality they cut them in half. Also, they appeared to be indicating that Model 3 production would increase slowly over the quarter, but in reality they kept it flat. Both of those were negative surprises to varying degrees. But, of course, we now know that S and X are likely to be revised soon. It is possible that the drop there was related.
- sschueller 8y agoOut of those 1,094, 9 are already on AutoScout24 for sale starting at CHF 64k. [1] https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/tesla--model-3?make=391&model=2864&vehtyp=10 https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/autos/tesla--model-3?make=391&...
- hoffs 8y agoAll of those look like 3rd party dealership ads
- the_duke 8y agoNot sure what your point is, 9/1094 is not a lot, and a few of those are certainly resellers hoping to profit from limited availability.
- lazyjones 8y agoFor comparison, 186 Audi e-tron are listed there: https://www.autoscout24.de/lst/audi/e-tron?sort=standard&desc=0&ustate=N%2CU&cy=D&atype=C https://www.autoscout24.de/lst/audi/e-tron?sort=standard&des... - with total sales in Germany being 571 in March. Audi, just like other german car makers are well known for making their dealers purchase cars for inflated statistics ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tageszulassung https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tageszulassung ).
- DanCarvajal 8y agoCan we stop with the Electrek spam?
- leejo 8y agoAnecdata from someone living in a small Swiss village (c. 1,500 residents outside the ski season): - I see a handful of Teslas around the village. I would guesstimate 5 local residents own them. - The local taxi firm has a couple even. - Filling stations on the autoroutes have the charging points (at least in Romandy) - The country is small so, hey, it seems ideal I'd like to get one but it doesn't fit my use case (namely long road trips in the summer).
- js2 8y agoA Chevy Volt would be perfect for your use case. Disclosure: happy Volt owner that my wife drives 95% around town with the occasional 120-300 mi road trip.
- readhn 8y agoA colleague of mine bought 2x 2018 Chevy Volts recently - after all rebates came out to $18000 cash each for a brand new Volt. Thats a no brainer to me - at 2000$ gas / year - the car pays for itself in 10 years. Unfortunately for most people out there the economics does not work the same way - they cant get to this pricing. But if they could USA would have a much larger share of electric cars.
- d1zzy 8y agoI'm curious, how do you get a $33k MSRP Volt down to $18k? Was it second hand? (if it was then you don't get any federal/state credits, those are claimed by the original owner)
- readhn 8y agoyes brand new cars - combination of federal and state rebates on electric cars. if this was available to everyone - we'd have a much larger share of electric cars in USA TODAY. pretty much buy one get one free in this case - two great electric cars for the price of one. INSANE.
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- readhn 8y agoi was flying through zurich recently. McDonalds big mac, fries and soda were $20 (!!!). Is everyone there pretty much a millionaire?
- bluetidepro 8y agoDoes that comparison work in that context, though? I've seen a lot of traditionally "cheap US fast-food" be expensive overseas in many countries. I imagine because there is almost a tourist aspect to it, unlike when it's here in the US. Is there a Swiss version of what they consider cheap fast-food, and is that place still $20 for a basic meal?
- readhn 8y agoHow much does a Tesla 3 cost in Switzerland? $70-75K?
- MHordecki 8y ago> Is there a Swiss version of what they consider cheap fast-food, and is that place still $20 for a basic meal? Döner joints. They are about ~15 CHF for a meal including a drink.
- matt4077 8y agoMcDonald's is used as a pretty good proxy for local prices and buying power around the globe. There's even the Big Mac Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index).
- readhn 8y agoexactly. McD is a good proxy for overall cost of living.
- jacquesm 8y agoNo, the USD and the Euro have dropped tremendously relative to the Swiss Franc.
- jeffrallen 8y agoThere's a charger under my window and I can confirm that it is in heavy use by many different EPFL employees.
- jak92 8y agoI'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.
- asaph 8y agoThere is a way to opt out. It's a setting within the vehicle.
- Dirlewanger 8y agoIs it an actual opt-out or is it a Google-esque not-actually-off opt-out?
- e1ven 8y agoAgreed. There's a lot to like about the cars, but they're very invasive. Luckily you can get a service manual in Massachusetts (or at least electronic access) If I were to buy one my first move would be to remove the modem and WiFi. Even then I don't like the amount of data it records internally.
- mlindner 8y agoI don't think you understand the car if you want to turn off the ability for the car to improve the software.
- e1ven 8y agoFair enough - I think understand their model, but I don't really agree with it :) I don't think my car needs internet access, or anyone needs the ability to check in on it. Unless there's a safety recall, I'd personally prefer my car to keep the OS and configuration throughout it's lifecycle. But I love their batteries in particular, and I think they're very nice cars in many ways.
- addflip 8y agoI own a BMW i3 and the Tesla Model 3. Both have cellular connections and are constantly pinging their motherships. At least on the Tesla I have the option of opting out. No such ability is available on the BMW.
- Proven 8y agoNot enough to keep Tesla afloat. They have to sell one to every Swiss to survive. Something should be said about the stupidity of governments that use taxpayer money to subsidize foreign car makers but you get the point.
- gpjanik 8y agoI hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.
- sweden 8y agoFunnily enough, you could argue the same about the Mercedes E class. For the price of a Mercedes, you could get a Tesla. :-)
- OrgNet 8y agoWhy? Do they have to buy electric cars in Switzerland (aka: gasoline cars are banned)? Or maybe everyone just have that extra money to blow? Or maybe they get large incentives from the Government? In the US it would take something like 15 years to pay for the difference between a Honda Civic and a Tesla Model-3 (both cars are about the same size)
- reilly3000 8y agoNon-Tesla owner here with some questions: - are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? - are the superchargers free to use?
- kurthr 8y agoAnswers: Yes, but you can see how many chargers there are available (and max charge rate) before you go. Usually, you charge at home/work. Yes, sometimes it's just car talk, but sometimes it's more interesting... you've got 10-15min or so to relax. Depends on whether you're grandfathered in (or paid for it upfront), but for most people still yes. However, if you stay plugged in after charging you will get billed (~$1/min if it's full!).
- gibolt 8y agoCharging throughput was recently bumped to 150 kW for Model 3 and a bit less for other models. It essentially halves the total time any car stays there, doubling daily capacity. A full station was already rare, this change helps keep pace as demand grows. I've chatted with a few others, helped a few people who were there for the first time go through the process. Everyone is pleasant and generally excited, unlike any one during a petrol station visit. S and X get free charging. Some 3s have 1000 miles free if using a referral code
- vsl 8y ago> S and X get free charging. Only old ones.
- hcal 8y ago- are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? It happens. I use them maybe once a month for the last year and I've only had to wait once. It cost me 10 minutes or so. If you're unlucky you might live near a particularly crowded supercharge and have longer waits. I think the vast majority of owners charge at home 90+% of the time. - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? Some people hang around their cars while they charge but I tend to grab a coffee or do some shopping. The chargers are usually near at least a coffee shop if not an entire mall. With the exception of the occasional long trip, I'm usually not staying long. -are the superchargers free to use For some people. My model 3 didn't come with free supercharging but a lot of the chargers are sponsored by the local mall (I've seen a few tourist centers with free charging too). The only time I've paid it cost about $6 for a roughly 75% charge (200 to 240 miles).
- madengr 8y agoInteresting that Switzerland has $57k per capita income vs $54k in the USA, but the model 3 is probably 2x the cost of the US best selling car. I assume the variance in Switzerland income is allot smaller than the US, thus more residents can afford the car.
- IkmoIkmo 8y agoAs discussed in this thread, they delivered 1 year of pre-orders in a single month, thereby topping the charts. It remains to be seen what sales figures will be like the next few months. This may just be another case of bad statistics.
- Animats 8y agoHow much of the battery capacity goes to the heater?
- dabeeeenster 8y agoIn the UK in winter (around 0 deg C) having the heating on shaves off about 5% of range in my Nissan Leaf.
- dmode 8y agoThere are a lot of conversations about road trips in a Tesla. I have a Model S and have done a few. I honestly believe that is indeed an increased hassle to stop for Supercharging every few hours. I have done it a few times, and these days mostly take my ICE vehicle for long road trips. But, having said, my long road trips (> 250miles) are once in every 3-4 months. And my daily driving is, well, daily. And this where Tesla blows everything else out of the water. Convenience of Autopilot, Home charging, carpool access, a 21st century UI, constantly improving features. 100x better than my ICE vehicle, and I will choose Tesla every time, even with the drawbacks of long road trips.
- woah 8y agoWould it be possible to put a gasoline generator in the trunk (vented of course) and wire it into the charging system to increase the range?
- bitcoinmoney 8y agoAs long as it emits pure sine wave. There’s forum posts everywhere talking about this.
- mensetmanusman 8y agoNot sure why it isn’t mentioned more, but the main selling point is safety. A tesla’s weight distribution is safer than any ICE could possibly be.
- Aaronmacaron 8y agoThis article is plain wrong. The original NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) article, which is linked in this article, says nowhere that the Tesla Model 3 was the best selling car in March. The Model 3 was only the fourth best selling car in March. You can find the original data here: https://www.auto.swiss/statistiken/autoverkaeufe-nach-modellen/ https://www.auto.swiss/statistiken/autoverkaeufe-nach-modell... According to the data the Škoda Octavia was sold nearly two times as much as the Model 3. It must be said, however, that the Model 3 is the best-selling electric car.