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Sort of makes sense. Android is generally a mess and hasn't really added much of value over the last 4 years. Whereas iOS has had huge yearly updates with actua
by matchbok 8y ago
Sort of makes sense. Android is generally a mess and hasn't really added much of value over the last 4 years. Whereas iOS has had huge yearly updates with actual features.
Plus, iMessage is a huge draw. Android has what, 5 messaging apps?
- beefsack 8y agoYou're making a huge assumption that the young mainstream picked iOS over Android was because of function over form. You can't discount that their products are very fashionable (Apple markets well, they look great, everyone else has one).
- threeseed 8y ago1) Discount someone from making an opinion based on an assumption. 2) Then in the next sentence. Make an opinion based on an assumption.
- Infinitesimus 8y agoIt's not just an assumption that Apple has a strong fashion /brand appeal ...
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- Dylan16807 8y agoNote how sentence 2 does not claim it to be the reason, but offers it as a potential reason.
- btian 8y agoThen why is iOS not generally successful outside US?
- Nextgrid 8y agoI am not sure why you don’t consider it successful. Here in London iOS is the default. Android-wise I only see two categories of users: power-users that chose Android for functional or ideological reasons, and budget-constrained users that cant afford or don’t see the value in an iOS device. Both those groups seem to be the minority, just looking around for people on their phones in public places yields a majority of iPhones.
- koyote 8y agoPretty much all of continental Europe (including wealthy countries such as Germany) have iPhone market share at less than 20%; the UK is the outlier there.
- Nextgrid 8y agoFrance is also an exception then from what I remember pre-2015 (unless things changed dramatically since then).
- kyriakos 8y agoAndroid is pretty huge in Europe. London could be an exception. Surprising even Chinese brands became popular lately with own physical stores in Western European capitals.
- scotty79 8y agoI think there is a patriotism component in iPhone US prevalence.
- ufo 8y agoAt least here in Brazil it comes down to cost. Iphones are extremely expensive, and restricted to the luxufy segment.
- roenxi 8y agoConversely, it can't be discounted that the fashion might follow functionality. Apples has a lot more experience than Google at creating comprehensively great user experiences. Google's signature successes, Search and Mail, have wildly different success criteria for user satisfaction than an operating system. Apple's signature successes all have operating systems and then there is the iPod which is a bit different. The iPhone is differentiated by much more than Apple's marketing. Everybody markets their product.
- brazzledazzle 8y agoKids can also be extremely mean and some will jump all over “green text” kids. Apple certainly doesn’t help by closing their API. Not that they should have to open it but it’s not like they have a really affordable option anymore so the pressure on low income kids and subsequently their parents is pretty strong.
- anoncake 8y agoIf keeping the API closed causes bullying, then yes, Apple absolutely should have to open it.
- stevenjohns 8y agoI honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. It can't be /that/ hard to figure out if the person on the other side is using an Android with a compatible Messaging app version and then switch over to an internet-handled chat.
- inamberclad 8y agoSignal does it just fine - I can only assume that Google is distracted or just doesn't care.
- hackits 8y agoProbably that they consider it wouldn't generate revenue.
- Phlarp 8y agoGoogle talk/hangouts chat still works and does this. Although you are also correct in that case as Google is distracted and doesn't care about Google talk. And of course fragmentation-- Even if Talk, Signal, Whatsapp and Telegram all support discovery and upgrade, the network effects (or lack of them) kills it in practice.
- Alex3917 8y ago> I honestly can't understand why Google hasn't been able to replicate the success of iMessage. I mean a better question at this point is perhaps why Apple engineering hasn't been able to implement RCS.
- btian 8y agoWhy should Apple implement RCS? All the backend is controlled by Google. All the risks, none of the gains.
- delfinom 8y agoNo it isn't. RCS its a open cellular standard thats being deployed worldwide. Google does offer a backend for carriers to use (when you want to push your cloud offerings and have tons of engineers with nothing else to do just like AWS) but it's not required and carriers are rolling their own. The protocol itself is meant for inter-carrier communication and phones.
- Sharlin 8y agoNote that outside the US the numbers are very different, if not for other reason than most people not being able to afford or willing to pay the iPhone premium.
- bad_good_guy 8y agoHave you ever actually used a stock Android device? The experience is much much cleaner than iOS. I use an Android phone and an iPad Pro every day, and I am honestly put off browsing the web in the iPad because the experience is just feels 'off'. Disclaimer is that I live in Europe and nobody here uses iMessage. Its mostly FB Messenger or WhatsApp.
- saagarjha 8y ago> The experience is much much cleaner than iOS. In what way?
- otachack 8y agoHere are a few IMO: - Less or no unremovable apps introduced by carrier/phone manufacturer - UI parallel to current Android stock trend rather than manufacturer's vision - Updates easier to attain since the manufacturer hurdle is less or non-existent
- saagarjha 8y agoAll of these are true for iOS and have been since its inception.