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In the years that have passed since switching to an iPhone without a headphone jack, I have never once needed to use that dongle. Bluetooth more than covers my

In the years that have passed since switching to an iPhone without a headphone jack, I have never once needed to use that dongle. Bluetooth more than covers my use cases. So the article is correct, I don't want it, but I also don't need it.

Aloha 8y ago
I picked up one of the belkin adapters that lets me charge and use headphones - I mostly use it with an over the ear headset, for conference calls, as I often have to dial in for multi-hour conference calls, which kinda beat the endurance of most bluetooth options.
- maccard 8y ago
  My noise cancelling bluetooth headphones claim 30 hours battery life. I've tested 17 hours straight while flying (including layovers). That's longer than my phone lasts without a charger.
  - Aloha 8y ago
    I hate double ear devices for phone calls.
    - maccard 8y ago
      That's a totally fair gripe. There are plenty of wireless bluetooth earphones/earplugs with 10/12 hours battery life, which is roughly the battery life of my Pixel 3 when used.
      - Aloha 8y ago
        I just got away from them because I'd lose them, forget to charge them or break them.
dbcurtis 8y ago
> Bluetooth more than covers my use cases. That is great for you. But when Apple designers decide that everyone should be forced into your category, they are actively deciding not to have empathy for the users for whom Bluetooth does not cover their use cases. Good product design starts with empathy for every user. Apple has written off entire categories of users. I assume it is not because the don't know how to gather user data, it is because the actively DO NOT CARE. For me, someone who: a) still has their hearing, b) has been listening to classical music for decades, c) has a collection of carefully and critically chosen wired headphones, the lack of a headphone jack is a gigantic FU.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Good product design starts with empathy for every user. And this is how you end up with the HomerMobile.....
  - dbcurtis 8y ago
    > And this is how you end up with the HomerMobile..... Ha Ha! I admit that I had to look up HomerMobile. So let me clarify, Good design starts with empathy for every user. But good product design also means that you look at functionality and manufacturability, and make intelligent trade-offs in a thoughtful manner. It is inevitable that some users will be put in the category of "Not our target user today", and some in "Not our target user, ever." But those decisions need to be deliberate, not haphazard, and not driven by stubbornness and hubris. Giving Apple the benefit of the doubt that they follow this process, then they have put me in the "we don't care about him" category. I suspect, though, that at Apple, pretty renderings win over usability arguments.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    Not even close. Also these are features that are already proven to work.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      As was the floppy disk, the CD Drive, ADB ports, SCSI, Nubus, 68K processors, PPC processors, etc.

Aloha 8y ago

I picked up one of the belkin adapters that lets me charge and use headphones - I mostly use it with an over the ear headset, for conference calls, as I often have to dial in for multi-hour conference calls, which kinda beat the endurance of most bluetooth options.

maccard 8y ago
My noise cancelling bluetooth headphones claim 30 hours battery life. I've tested 17 hours straight while flying (including layovers). That's longer than my phone lasts without a charger.
- Aloha 8y ago
  I hate double ear devices for phone calls.
  - maccard 8y ago
    That's a totally fair gripe. There are plenty of wireless bluetooth earphones/earplugs with 10/12 hours battery life, which is roughly the battery life of my Pixel 3 when used.
    - Aloha 8y ago
      I just got away from them because I'd lose them, forget to charge them or break them.

dbcurtis 8y ago

> Bluetooth more than covers my use cases. That is great for you. But when Apple designers decide that everyone should be forced into your category, they are actively deciding not to have empathy for the users for whom Bluetooth does not cover their use cases. Good product design starts with empathy for every user. Apple has written off entire categories of users. I assume it is not because the don't know how to gather user data, it is because the actively DO NOT CARE. For me, someone who: a) still has their hearing, b) has been listening to classical music for decades, c) has a collection of carefully and critically chosen wired headphones, the lack of a headphone jack is a gigantic FU.

scarface74 8y ago
Good product design starts with empathy for every user. And this is how you end up with the HomerMobile.....
- dbcurtis 8y ago
  > And this is how you end up with the HomerMobile..... Ha Ha! I admit that I had to look up HomerMobile. So let me clarify, Good design starts with empathy for every user. But good product design also means that you look at functionality and manufacturability, and make intelligent trade-offs in a thoughtful manner. It is inevitable that some users will be put in the category of "Not our target user today", and some in "Not our target user, ever." But those decisions need to be deliberate, not haphazard, and not driven by stubbornness and hubris. Giving Apple the benefit of the doubt that they follow this process, then they have put me in the "we don't care about him" category. I suspect, though, that at Apple, pretty renderings win over usability arguments.
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  Not even close. Also these are features that are already proven to work.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    As was the floppy disk, the CD Drive, ADB ports, SCSI, Nubus, 68K processors, PPC processors, etc.