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Basic HTTP Authentication in Elixir/Phoenix

36 points by pplonski86 8y ago

lobo_tuerto 8y ago
If interested in a session (cookie) based approach, give this one a try: https://lobotuerto.com/blog/building-a-json-api-in-elixir-with-phoenix/ https://lobotuerto.com/blog/building-a-json-api-in-elixir-wi...
- scrozart 8y ago
  Hi! At the beginning of this section you state 'Let’s add some functions to the lib/my_app/auth/auth.ex file to verify a user’s password', but lib/my_app/auth/auth.ex was never created in the previous sections of the tutorial. Please indicate if it needs to be created, or if it's creation is done somewhere else. Thanks!
p1mrx 8y ago
Isn't it a bit irresponsible to write a guide for people who don't know how basic authentication works, without mentioning that it's critical to HTTPS-encrypt the message? Base64 "looks" pretty secure if you're not paying attention.
keithnoizu 8y ago
Mhhm I use JWTs with the Guardian library. https://github.com/ueberauth/guardian https://github.com/ueberauth/guardian Including some custom stuff to handle firebase auth tokens on one project.
- anthony_doan 8y ago
  I think JWTs are useful for web services. For web applications I think JWT is a terrible idea. Pow library is really awesome for web application authentication.
  - keithnoizu 8y ago
    Nice, I'll give it a spin.
lprd 8y ago
I keep hearing things about Phoenix (specifically LiveView) and I am very interested in Elixir. Whats the learning curve look like for someone who's primarily a Javascript (with a little bit of PHP/Laravel) developer? Is it a purely functional language?
- anthony_doan 8y ago
  > Whats the learning curve look like for someone who's primarily a Javascript (with a little bit of PHP/Laravel) developer? Really depend how much of a language junkie you are. I came from old school javascript and php and did mostly functional javascript (closure, high order function, etc...). I did other languages too but php & javascript was my primary. It's moderate not a very complex language but the paradigm can be a little bit high. The creator kept the language nice and small imo. You can get away with half of it if you're just doing phoenix and ignore OTP (process, concurrecy stuff). You can learn OTP later. > Is it a purely functional language? Very close to pure. There is no for loop. If you want to loop you have to do recursion. You don't have to loop much because there are comprehensions and generators. You don't use closure or anything that fancy unless you want to. I think the most is higher order function and those functional stuff like map, reduce, etc... It's not bad because you can google those things to get what you want. I think learning how to pipe |> a lot of stuff and pattern matching is what you really need mostly. Reason I said very close is because it's pragmatic like Python where not everything is an object. You can invoke len() function without it being a method to an object. The example most Erlang tutorial will give being pragmatic is the time function how the time function isn't Referential transparency. Also so other fancy missing functional stuff from Haskell that some people asked for in elixir forum but I don't understand.
- hdra 8y ago
  I came from a Python and PHP/Laravel background, and personally, I find them to be pretty easy to learn. Having my "taste" in programming to be mainly influenced by Python, I find the "explicit is better than implicit" sensibility of the ecosystem to be agreeable. I'd suggest not to pay too much attention to the "functional" label of the language and not let it intimidate/distract you, and approach it as just learning another language. The usual functional programming concepts like monads, currying, partial application, etc aren't very apparent as they usually are in languages like Haskell, i.e. you can use the language productively without knowing any of these concept.
softwarelimits 8y ago
This is the lesson to learn from Elixir/Phoenix and every web framewrok that does not come with a strong security concept: if you do not build solid authentication and authorization into the framework from the ground up, there will pop up bazillions of half-baked libraries and even more blog posts about how to do auth "the right way" and still there will never be the right way as long as the framework does not implement this. Many eyes on security relevant code is one of the most important reasons for using open source frameworks for web development - so it is very unfortunate if exactly this part is missing, it will always look incomplete. Of course this leaves room for professional services, I understand that, but I believe the damage done is greater than the opportunities generated. The current situation for "Phoenix auth libraries" is horrible - as a developer you will * waste a lot of time researching and testing all the available solutions * or just take one "random solution from the internet" that "looks good enough" * or you will just implement another solution yourself. Instead you want to build on the solution that is provided and maintained by the core framework community. This is such a sad story. Elixir / Phoenix looks so nice, but without a strong security foundation it looks incomplete. Authorization and Authentication is not even mentioned in the docs - that is absurd! I simply can not understand why the project leaders are ignoring this important area.
- imtringued 8y ago
  At some point it isn't even possible to avoid having special libraries to support authentication. No one is going to roll their own library for SAML, Oauth, etc.
- impostir 8y ago
  I am just learning coding for the web. Security is something that is clearly important, but I am unsure on a lot of specifics. Do you have any suggestions for a beginner?
  - sansnomme 8y ago
    Learn how basic user registration to login workflow works. I.e. user sign-up -> password hashing -> confirmation email etc. There are also "alternative" methods such as medium-style "email a login link" style logins and also stuff like OAuth. Stick with large frameworks and libraries; Rails, Omniauth and Devise, Django comes with Auth built-in. Avoid Auth frameworks which doesn't build upon its built-in systems. Learn the difference between authorization and authentication. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ROLL YOUR OWN AUTH FOR PRODUCTION. A lot of concepts regarding Auth are simple in theory but if you have a poor grasp of the implementation language or the authentication protocol, you are going to introduce vulnerabilities. Stick to boring battle-tested stuff. Yes that means you should avoid the latest-web-framework-of-the-week-that-doesn't-include-auth when it comes to anything you want to push into production. Keep everything behind TLS if possible (Let's Encrypt et al. are free) and if you don't understand something, don't use it. If JWTs doesn't make sense to you, avoid it and stick with traditional sessions. Your SPA works perfectly fine using traditional server-side sessions and encrypted cookies without the latest hip protocol implemented by a 3rd party API gateway. Don't trust security advice from random people over the internet without doing your own research. Here is some good reading material: https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/06/12/a-childs-garden.html https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/06/12/a-childs-garden.html https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/04/03/cryptographic-right-answers.html https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/04/03/cryptographic-right-a...

36 points by pplonski86 8y ago

If interested in a session (cookie) based approach, give this one a try: https://lobotuerto.com/blog/building-a-json-api-in-elixir-with-phoenix/ https://lobotuerto.com/blog/building-a-json-api-in-elixir-wi...

scrozart 8y ago
Hi! At the beginning of this section you state 'Let’s add some functions to the lib/my_app/auth/auth.ex file to verify a user’s password', but lib/my_app/auth/auth.ex was never created in the previous sections of the tutorial. Please indicate if it needs to be created, or if it's creation is done somewhere else. Thanks!

p1mrx 8y ago

Isn't it a bit irresponsible to write a guide for people who don't know how basic authentication works, without mentioning that it's critical to HTTPS-encrypt the message? Base64 "looks" pretty secure if you're not paying attention.

keithnoizu 8y ago

Mhhm I use JWTs with the Guardian library. https://github.com/ueberauth/guardian https://github.com/ueberauth/guardian Including some custom stuff to handle firebase auth tokens on one project.

anthony_doan 8y ago
I think JWTs are useful for web services. For web applications I think JWT is a terrible idea. Pow library is really awesome for web application authentication.
- keithnoizu 8y ago
  Nice, I'll give it a spin.

lprd 8y ago

I keep hearing things about Phoenix (specifically LiveView) and I am very interested in Elixir. Whats the learning curve look like for someone who's primarily a Javascript (with a little bit of PHP/Laravel) developer? Is it a purely functional language?

anthony_doan 8y ago
> Whats the learning curve look like for someone who's primarily a Javascript (with a little bit of PHP/Laravel) developer? Really depend how much of a language junkie you are. I came from old school javascript and php and did mostly functional javascript (closure, high order function, etc...). I did other languages too but php & javascript was my primary. It's moderate not a very complex language but the paradigm can be a little bit high. The creator kept the language nice and small imo. You can get away with half of it if you're just doing phoenix and ignore OTP (process, concurrecy stuff). You can learn OTP later. > Is it a purely functional language? Very close to pure. There is no for loop. If you want to loop you have to do recursion. You don't have to loop much because there are comprehensions and generators. You don't use closure or anything that fancy unless you want to. I think the most is higher order function and those functional stuff like map, reduce, etc... It's not bad because you can google those things to get what you want. I think learning how to pipe |> a lot of stuff and pattern matching is what you really need mostly. Reason I said very close is because it's pragmatic like Python where not everything is an object. You can invoke len() function without it being a method to an object. The example most Erlang tutorial will give being pragmatic is the time function how the time function isn't Referential transparency. Also so other fancy missing functional stuff from Haskell that some people asked for in elixir forum but I don't understand.
hdra 8y ago
I came from a Python and PHP/Laravel background, and personally, I find them to be pretty easy to learn. Having my "taste" in programming to be mainly influenced by Python, I find the "explicit is better than implicit" sensibility of the ecosystem to be agreeable. I'd suggest not to pay too much attention to the "functional" label of the language and not let it intimidate/distract you, and approach it as just learning another language. The usual functional programming concepts like monads, currying, partial application, etc aren't very apparent as they usually are in languages like Haskell, i.e. you can use the language productively without knowing any of these concept.

softwarelimits 8y ago

This is the lesson to learn from Elixir/Phoenix and every web framewrok that does not come with a strong security concept: if you do not build solid authentication and authorization into the framework from the ground up, there will pop up bazillions of half-baked libraries and even more blog posts about how to do auth "the right way" and still there will never be the right way as long as the framework does not implement this. Many eyes on security relevant code is one of the most important reasons for using open source frameworks for web development - so it is very unfortunate if exactly this part is missing, it will always look incomplete. Of course this leaves room for professional services, I understand that, but I believe the damage done is greater than the opportunities generated. The current situation for "Phoenix auth libraries" is horrible - as a developer you will * waste a lot of time researching and testing all the available solutions * or just take one "random solution from the internet" that "looks good enough" * or you will just implement another solution yourself. Instead you want to build on the solution that is provided and maintained by the core framework community. This is such a sad story. Elixir / Phoenix looks so nice, but without a strong security foundation it looks incomplete. Authorization and Authentication is not even mentioned in the docs - that is absurd! I simply can not understand why the project leaders are ignoring this important area.

imtringued 8y ago
At some point it isn't even possible to avoid having special libraries to support authentication. No one is going to roll their own library for SAML, Oauth, etc.
impostir 8y ago
I am just learning coding for the web. Security is something that is clearly important, but I am unsure on a lot of specifics. Do you have any suggestions for a beginner?
- sansnomme 8y ago
  Learn how basic user registration to login workflow works. I.e. user sign-up -> password hashing -> confirmation email etc. There are also "alternative" methods such as medium-style "email a login link" style logins and also stuff like OAuth. Stick with large frameworks and libraries; Rails, Omniauth and Devise, Django comes with Auth built-in. Avoid Auth frameworks which doesn't build upon its built-in systems. Learn the difference between authorization and authentication. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ROLL YOUR OWN AUTH FOR PRODUCTION. A lot of concepts regarding Auth are simple in theory but if you have a poor grasp of the implementation language or the authentication protocol, you are going to introduce vulnerabilities. Stick to boring battle-tested stuff. Yes that means you should avoid the latest-web-framework-of-the-week-that-doesn't-include-auth when it comes to anything you want to push into production. Keep everything behind TLS if possible (Let's Encrypt et al. are free) and if you don't understand something, don't use it. If JWTs doesn't make sense to you, avoid it and stick with traditional sessions. Your SPA works perfectly fine using traditional server-side sessions and encrypted cookies without the latest hip protocol implemented by a 3rd party API gateway. Don't trust security advice from random people over the internet without doing your own research. Here is some good reading material: https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/06/12/a-childs-garden.html https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/06/12/a-childs-garden.html https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/04/03/cryptographic-right-answers.html https://latacora.micro.blog/2018/04/03/cryptographic-right-a...