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I don’t know why, but for me it’s the shoes. My laptop bag makes it fairly easy to take my laptop out and put it back in, but dealing with taking my shoes on an

I don’t know why, but for me it’s the shoes. My laptop bag makes it fairly easy to take my laptop out and put it back in, but dealing with taking my shoes on and off really fucking bugs me. It’s totally irrational, I know.

jimktrains2 8y ago
Shoes cross the line to requiring the removal of clothing in my head. It's not exactly the same, of course, but they are much closer to clothing than luggage.
QualityReboot 8y ago
I think your feeling is pretty rational. It's pretty annoying for no benefit. I wish they also offered flights with lower security. I'm fine getting on a plane if everyone went through a metal detector and kept their shoes on.
- byte1918 8y ago
  That won't fly. As we, I hope, already know now the security is not only for the people on the plane.
- chii 8y ago
  > I'm fine getting on a plane if everyone went through a metal detector and kept their shoes on. that's an interesting thought. May be if the price of a ticket could be made cheaper by cutting out these TSA bullshit, the market could correct this problem.
  - LyndsySimon 8y ago
    This already exists in the form of regional airlines. I live in Harrison, AR. I can fly to Memphis or Dallas for like $40 each way if I book a couple of weeks out. There is no TSA in Harrison, and the airline operates from their own hangars, not the general terminal on the other end. I usually travel with a handgun, which I of course declare in my checked bag. They hand me my bag back and I carry it to the plane with me, and in a couple of instances have even asked me to put it under my seat due to limited cargo space. I’ve been told multiple times that I shouldn’t even bother declaring it by airport staff but I’m not clear enough on the laws there to take that advice.
  - isostatic 8y ago
    Most frequent flyers would pay more to avoid the TSA
    - trillic 8y ago
      This is basically TSA Pre and Clear.
- u801e 8y ago
  I would be fine without any screening at all. It would be like getting on a train or bus and no one seems to have an issue with using those methods of transportation without any security checks.
- Scoundreller 8y ago
  Could you imagine how much they’d add to the safety video for shoes-on flights? Probably a 9 minute video that hijacks your IFE about which button to press if you see a shoe bomber.
village-idiot 8y ago
This is why I wear my toe shoes to the airport. While it might seem counterintuitive, I can take them on and off one handed.
- c22 8y ago
  I wear these[0] when I travel. I can take them off and put them on with no hands at all. I usually do belt and shoes at the same time, in fact. [0] https://www.merrell.com/US/en/jungle-moc/17703M.html https://www.merrell.com/US/en/jungle-moc/17703M.html
  - village-idiot 8y ago
    I’d use my Keen sandals for a similar reason, but they’re actually very hard to get back into. This is useful when I use them fishing, but bad in an airport.
DeepYogurt 8y ago
I was in Honolulu last summer and they let us keep our shoes on and instead had dogs being walked around sniffing our feet.
seleniumBubbles 8y ago
I would love to see a comparison of the probability of contracting a foot fungus or other contagious disease in a security line vs. being a victim in a terrorist attack. Seeing as the TSA has never caught a terrorist (and has missed several) I’d bet a statistical case could be made that their security lines are more dangerous to the public than any terrorist attacks they may have prevented.
- mindslight 8y ago
  The real comparison is with the number of human lifetimes wasted getting to the scareport extra early and waiting in line. It is on the order of one thousand per year.
mindslight 8y ago
No, it's not irrational. It's because you are being made less secure. When traveling, one generally packs their stuff well and keeps it together to maintain control of it. The TSA makes you do the exact opposite - unpack it all and splay it out in many unmanageable bins so they can carry out their their charade. You're then plainly vulnerable to easy theft, never mind if something happened where you actually had to hoof it and you're just standing there like an idiot struggling to get to your shoes!
WA 8y ago
Shoes is an American thing btw. If you travel within the EU, you never have to take your shoes off.

jimktrains2 8y ago

Shoes cross the line to requiring the removal of clothing in my head. It's not exactly the same, of course, but they are much closer to clothing than luggage.

QualityReboot 8y ago

I think your feeling is pretty rational. It's pretty annoying for no benefit. I wish they also offered flights with lower security. I'm fine getting on a plane if everyone went through a metal detector and kept their shoes on.

byte1918 8y ago
That won't fly. As we, I hope, already know now the security is not only for the people on the plane.
chii 8y ago
> I'm fine getting on a plane if everyone went through a metal detector and kept their shoes on. that's an interesting thought. May be if the price of a ticket could be made cheaper by cutting out these TSA bullshit, the market could correct this problem.
- LyndsySimon 8y ago
  This already exists in the form of regional airlines. I live in Harrison, AR. I can fly to Memphis or Dallas for like $40 each way if I book a couple of weeks out. There is no TSA in Harrison, and the airline operates from their own hangars, not the general terminal on the other end. I usually travel with a handgun, which I of course declare in my checked bag. They hand me my bag back and I carry it to the plane with me, and in a couple of instances have even asked me to put it under my seat due to limited cargo space. I’ve been told multiple times that I shouldn’t even bother declaring it by airport staff but I’m not clear enough on the laws there to take that advice.
- isostatic 8y ago
  Most frequent flyers would pay more to avoid the TSA
  - trillic 8y ago
    This is basically TSA Pre and Clear.
u801e 8y ago
I would be fine without any screening at all. It would be like getting on a train or bus and no one seems to have an issue with using those methods of transportation without any security checks.
Scoundreller 8y ago
Could you imagine how much they’d add to the safety video for shoes-on flights? Probably a 9 minute video that hijacks your IFE about which button to press if you see a shoe bomber.

village-idiot 8y ago

This is why I wear my toe shoes to the airport. While it might seem counterintuitive, I can take them on and off one handed.

c22 8y ago
I wear these[0] when I travel. I can take them off and put them on with no hands at all. I usually do belt and shoes at the same time, in fact. [0] https://www.merrell.com/US/en/jungle-moc/17703M.html https://www.merrell.com/US/en/jungle-moc/17703M.html
- village-idiot 8y ago
  I’d use my Keen sandals for a similar reason, but they’re actually very hard to get back into. This is useful when I use them fishing, but bad in an airport.

DeepYogurt 8y ago

I was in Honolulu last summer and they let us keep our shoes on and instead had dogs being walked around sniffing our feet.

seleniumBubbles 8y ago

I would love to see a comparison of the probability of contracting a foot fungus or other contagious disease in a security line vs. being a victim in a terrorist attack. Seeing as the TSA has never caught a terrorist (and has missed several) I’d bet a statistical case could be made that their security lines are more dangerous to the public than any terrorist attacks they may have prevented.

mindslight 8y ago
The real comparison is with the number of human lifetimes wasted getting to the scareport extra early and waiting in line. It is on the order of one thousand per year.

mindslight 8y ago

No, it's not irrational. It's because you are being made less secure. When traveling, one generally packs their stuff well and keeps it together to maintain control of it. The TSA makes you do the exact opposite - unpack it all and splay it out in many unmanageable bins so they can carry out their their charade. You're then plainly vulnerable to easy theft, never mind if something happened where you actually had to hoof it and you're just standing there like an idiot struggling to get to your shoes!

WA 8y ago

Shoes is an American thing btw. If you travel within the EU, you never have to take your shoes off.