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This is a bunch of FUD. * No, using a colo saves you way more than just 20%. In one of our facilities, our org has maybe ~15k servers under management and dc c
by chomp 8y ago
This is a bunch of FUD.
* No, using a colo saves you way more than just 20%. In one of our facilities, our org has maybe ~15k servers under management and dc costs are ~ 1 million/mo. Build out of the cages and racks wasn't incredibly expensive, I think ~2 million. Power isn't insane either.
* I have no idea what he's talking about re: the fiber statement. We have a blend of different backbone providers that give us ~100 gigabit for ~$0.60 per gig. Compared to bandwidth costs for AWS, it's dirt cheap.
* You don't need ultra fast hot swappable robotic arms if you're not FAANG. With a handful of dc techs and a simple monitoring system, you can swap out disks just as easily, at the expense of a little more opex.
* PCI requires no consultants, its terms are pretty black and white - you will need an ISA though. HIPAA and can be more of a bear, but your org will need this consultation regardless of whether you own a dc or put it in the cloud. AWS does not give you automatic compliance.
* Yes I can totally believe that working at Google, you'd give TCOs that make Google look good.
Literally none of us except Lyft's operations knows what's good for Lyft. 100 million a year is a ton of cash, but gives them presence around the world. My company has datacenters around the world and it is very operationally complex to maintain them. It's definitely not for everyone, but this guy is making it sound worse than it actually is.
- jaredwiener 8y agoalso this thinking seems very one-size-has-to-fit-all, cloud/datacenter focused. why would lyft need HIPAA compliance??
- skue 8y agoBoth Lyft & Uber have begun partnering with healthcare providers to provide non-urgent patient transportation.[1] [1] https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/tech/lyft-announces-integration-allscripts-ehr-system-letting-180-000-docs-hail-rides-for-patients https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/tech/lyft-announces-integra...
- kennywinker 8y agoDystopian af
- noidesto 8y agoCare to explain why?
- JohnJamesRambo 8y agoProbably because that’s what an ambulance is for but taking one will bankrupt the average citizen.
- mkopinsky 8y agoNo, going to a doctor's appointment isn't what an ambulance is for. The comment specifically said "non-urgent". But when patients miss appointments because they can't get there or afford $20 for an Uber, the health system loses a lot more than $20, so it's worth it financially for them to partner with Uber/Lyft to get patients to appointments.
- wcarron 8y agoI understand the economic principle of increasing revenue, and I agree that this partnership is worth it financially; but honestly, who the fuck cares about the health care system not getting revenue? Providing transportation for patients is so that __people can get healthcare__! A hospital/HCSP not making a few hundred/thousand is completely insignificant when compared to the real problem: People can't get healthcare or can't get to it. I just take issue with this viewpoint where the concern for the dollar is placed before people's needs.
- JohnJamesRambo 8y agoAh yes, I guess the specific Uber program mentioned is for non-urgent cases, I apologize. But anecdotally I know of many cases where Uber is being used instead of ambulances. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/upshot/uber-lyft-and-the-urgency-of-saving-money-on-ambulances.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/upshot/uber-lyft-and-the-... https://slate.com/technology/2018/02/when-should-you-uber-to-the-hospital-and-when-should-you-call-an-ambulance.html https://slate.com/technology/2018/02/when-should-you-uber-to...
- argd678 8y agoIt depends too on your workload and how efficient your software is. If you have a bursty or unpredictable workload then you’re buying servers for your peak, and paying for wasted hardware. Every time I’ve done or seen the calculations in those circumstances it never makes sense to buy. Bursting into the cloud comes up, but that’s gets complicated very fast too.
- solarkraft 8y agoRight, I'd expect Lyft's utilization, and that of any user facing service really, to fluctuate pretty significantly.
- argd678 8y agoUber has invested heavily in making their own in house serverless system to address these fluctuations too.
- dillondoyle 8y ago!? serverless lol
- solarkraft 8y agoit operates on magic now :p
- stefan_ 8y agoWhy does Lyft need around the world presence? What in a primarily app driven carsharing service is particularly latency-sensitive?
- Twirrim 8y agoData locality laws, for starters.
- michaelvoz 8y agoLyft is US and Canada only. Not around the world.
- alexk 8y agoWhat type and model of networking do you use on 15K servers? Can you share some specs?
- joeax 8y agoMaybe I read the OP wrong but I've never heard of building out and/or holding data center real estate assets. I worked for a large data center and even they leased their buildings. Their customers included government, big banks, large tech (even FAANG level) and they either colo'd or leased space. There are dedicated REITs that hold only high-tech/data center real estate.
- kerng 8y agoLyft doesn't need presence around the world - they only operate in US. I think they'd be much better off just renting some space out in a datacenter and run the show themselves!
- wnevets 8y agoOn an unrelated note when did FAANG before a thing? I don't recall seeing this used anywhere a mere year ago.
- weej 8y agoSince at least 2015. Folks sometimes use FANG and overload the 'A' for Apple and Amazon.
- tomcam 8y agoThey’ve been saying it for years on Chinese boards.
- marton78 8y agoAlso, why is there no M for Microsoft in that abbreviation?
- wnevets 8y agoprobably lack of growth in their stock prices?
- kerng 8y agoI think it's because of base compensation of employees, which still holds true still, because Microsoft pays way less then FANG. Microsoft is the most valuable company in the world. When it comes to stock Facebook probably would be not in FANG anymore because of their drastic stock drop over last year.
- taobility 8y agoA for Amazon is well-known for its terrible work env for the employees.
- creddit 8y agoMSFT is up 25% YoY and 200% over the last 5. They’re at an all time high.
- lunchables 8y agoI guess what bothers me the most about the original tweet(s) is the false dichotomy of "build your own datacenter" or "use AWS". How about co-locating at one of the many, many Tier 3 certified datacenters all over the world? There are tons of providers with locations all over the country and world. Or beyond that, what about letting someone else (e.g. Compass Data Centers) build a datacenter for you?
- tetha 8y agoVery true. For example, we're running most of our log aggregation and time series handling on rented dedicated servers. It took more work and skill to get to work compared to something like AWS elasticsearch, but the setup is dirt-cheap for what it does including redundancy in case of hardware failures. Or, my last employer used to run a lot of their data warehousing and BI on rented physical systems for similar reasons - high IO demand, built-in redundancy. There are many steps you can take before buying concrete to build a DC. Even before you have to buy your own rack.
- LapaluxToday 8y agoWhat do you use for your log aggregation and time series?
- tetha 8y agoWe run a fairly classical elastic stack for our log aggregation and telegraf/influxdb for time series. And grafana/kibana pulling it all together.
- lunchables 8y agoThank you, that was my point exactly. There are lots of options between "do nothing" (AWS) and "do everything" (literally build datacenters).
- scarface74 8y agoSo use a bunch of tier 3 providers. Who is going to coordinate all of this? With AWS you have one company to call.
- xmichael999 8y agoAgreed, this guy make no sense at all. Why would anyone build there own data center? Talk about the extreme, did he forget you can also rent space inside of data centers???
- kerng 8y agoIt's better to rent a datacenter then to build one for companies that reach a certain threshold. At certain amount of loads AWS becomes to limited and expensive. Certainly not true for the typical AWS sites or companies. Even Amazon uses their own separate, dedicated systems for a lot of stuff - not public AWS I heard.
- sjwright 8y agoAny company that owns the infrastructure management tech like AWS would be stupid not to use it themselves. It's likely that what you heard was a misstatement—maybe they use their own isolated instances of the AWS tech, possibly to dogfood new features.
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- kerng 8y agoYou are in for a surprise. https://jatins.gitlab.io/me/amazon-internal-tools/ https://jatins.gitlab.io/me/amazon-internal-tools/
- solidasparagus 8y agoI'm pretty sure Amazon uses AWS. There's probably still legacy applications running on pre-AWS infra though.
- kerng 8y agoThey dont, there are internal MAWS movements though, meaning Move to AWS. https://jatins.gitlab.io/me/amazon-internal-tools/ https://jatins.gitlab.io/me/amazon-internal-tools/
- scarface74 8y agoAll this sounds like a distraction for a ride sharing company. They aren’t an infrastructure company. Why would they want to both try to build out a ride sharing and infrastructure at the same time? Why fight a battle on two fronts? On top of that you have to hire people to manage it.
- kingnothing 8y agoLyft doesn't need a global presence, they only operate in the US and a few Canadian cities.