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Tesla Model Y

650 points by kiddz 8y ago

samcheng 8y ago
The website is up: https://www.tesla.com/modely https://www.tesla.com/modely 300 mile range, seats 7, looks a lot like a model 3 (so I guess kind of like a Mercedes GLC?) $51,000 for the all-wheel-drive version, although Tesla is notorious for playing games with their pricing...
- mandeepj 8y ago
  I had to do - 'Empty cache and hard reload' to get the updated page. Model Y looks like a child of Model 3 and Model X.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    I too had to nuke both tesla.com cookies and also "force.com" ones (a CRM by salesforce). Seems like it has aggressive caching. Incognito also resolves it. Off topic: I wish pages would stop hijacking my scroll. It makes for a jerky/buggy experience that I hate.
    - warrenmiller 8y ago
      or just add some gubbins onto the url https://www.tesla.com/modely?a=1 https://www.tesla.com/modely?a=1 works
      - m463 8y ago
        Is that mcguffins? Like in the Pulp Fiction briefcase? :)
    - chrismorgan 8y ago
      Scrolljacking is always bad. I have come across about two instances where it was almost decent, but they still managed to be bad. This is not one of those; this is one of the usual lot that are just plain bad with no redeeming features. Completely unusable on my laptop with touch, and infuriating to scroll with the touchpad or keyboard. And disabling JavaScript isn’t an option because then the entire page is completely broken.
- tqi 8y ago
  That third row looks like it will have 0 headroom
  - umeshunni 8y ago
    And from the image in the video, it looks like the back row seats didn't even have headrests.
  - alkonaut 8y ago
    If it fits 4ft humans that would be plenty so long as there is somewhere else to fit a 6ft human
    - B1FF_PSUVM 8y ago
      'This is an announcement from Genetic Control: "It is my sad duty to inform you of a four foot restriction on humanoid height."' https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/genesis/getemoutbyfriday.html https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/genesis/getemoutbyfriday.htm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-TwWnn0dk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-TwWnn0dk (not arguing, just reminded ...)
  - josefresco 8y ago
    Third row in any vehicle not a giant SUV is a nightmare for any average sized adult.
  - navigatesol 8y ago
    It has no headrests. Is that even legal?
dannylandau 8y ago
model Y looks like a real let down.
statictype 8y ago
Note how the links are arranged on the website: S 3 X Y
- dwd 8y ago
  He's been waiting 10 years to make the joke about his s3xy lineup of cars. I prefered the BFR working name (with a nod to Doom).
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    It would have been "sexy" but there was legal issues with Model E (Ford owned it[0]). [0] http://fortune.com/2014/05/07/tesla-drops-model-e-trademark-but-ford-hangs-on/ http://fortune.com/2014/05/07/tesla-drops-model-e-trademark-...
    - dwd 8y ago
      Sounded a bit like a spoiler given how many times they failed to use it and the trademark lapsed. Tesla might still have had a problem of it being too close to the E-Type (Jaguar) if Ford hadn't challenged them.
- hi5eyes 8y ago
  elon also tweeted that meme yesterday https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1106063248581894144 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1106063248581894144
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- sjwright 8y ago
  It was a moderately funny lame joke 8 years ago. Today it might be the most drawn-out lame joke in corporate history.
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LeoPanthera 8y ago
I refuse to sign up for spam just to watch their announcement.
- xxpor 8y ago
  I hope they enjoy sending email to sucks@lol.net
- datainplace 8y ago
  Youtube Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I
  - Animats 8y ago
    Is he drunk? High?
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    - JshWright 8y ago
      He's Elon... He's always been a terrible public speaker
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vowelless 8y ago
Here is the direct, unlisted YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I
- WestCoastJustin 8y ago
  Thank you. This should be the main link.
- iceninenines 8y ago
  Thanks. Lmao at all the fangirls in the audience who hang on every little thing Musk says.
- drilldrive 8y ago
  Is there any way to just receive the audio for these sorts of things? Live video is too hard on my bandwidth.
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  - sjwright 8y ago
    Not a useful answer but you could force 144p video. Youtube's audio quality associated with these ultra low quality video rates used to be abysmal but it's pretty good now.
  - gdrulia 8y ago
    youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 <video URL> [0] - https://askubuntu.com/questions/178481/how-to-download-an-mp3-track-from-a-youtube-video https://askubuntu.com/questions/178481/how-to-download-an-mp...
  - airstrike 8y ago
    https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube
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dlgeek 8y ago
Elon Musk is many things, but a charismatic public speaker is not one of them.
- slg 8y ago
  He also has the humor of a 6th grader. He is able to accomplish a lot of impressive things, but his humor almost makes it painful to watch one of these presentation or follow him on Twitter.
- sbr464 8y ago
  Idk, I appreciate a sincere, non-corporate spokesperson in our current climate.
  - gotocake 8y ago
    I’m not even going to touch “sincere” given his now documented history of lying outright, but non-corporate? Huh? How many corporations do you need to run before you’re corporate?
    - duado 8y ago
      Just like you can have a solo “entrepreneur” who doesn’t actually have any revenue but acts “corporate” in a suit talking about his synergistic strategic partnerships, you can have the opposite.
    - sbr464 8y ago
      I’m just saying I appreciate the cowboy/straight forward talk at this level of market cap, vs the robotic, corporate, expected talking style.
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sidcool 8y ago
https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I
userbinator 8y ago
I wonder what will come after the Model Z (if they do make one.)
- newnewpdro 8y ago
  I presume the next model is the 2: 2S3XY
  - r00fus 8y ago
    Cue right-said fred.
  - DecoPerson 8y ago
    Well with the new Roadster coming, it'll be S3XYR
    - azhenley 8y ago
      Semi S3XYR!
  - chucky_z 8y ago
    it better be a track-only model
- jfoutz 8y ago
  So far they have been S3XY. i'm pretty sure the next model has to be a space character so they can move on to the next word.
  - agildehaus 8y ago
    They made one of Elon's Roadsters into the space model.
- perilunar 8y ago
  If they do a light truck it could be the Tesla U (for ute), then R for the Roadster, giving RU S3XY ?
zmix 8y ago
Too bad, one can't FFWD a live event...
- compsciphd 8y ago
  youtube live has a back buffer so come in late
sidcool 8y ago
Glad to know Tesla is going to focus on Solar Roof and Powerwall this year. Quite honest of him to say that Model 3 caused delays there.
- 7e 8y ago
  No doubt the Model 3 also prevented the coast to coast self driving demo promised for 2017.
  - ehnto 8y ago
    I think self driving is just proving to be a harder problem to solve than they and the rest of the industry thought.
    - AndrewBissell 8y ago
      The rest of the industry at least had the compunction not to sell the product before it was finished.
      - ehnto 8y ago
        Can't argue there. Their marketing was definitely ahead their developmemt.
        cma 8y ago
        He doesn't mean sell as in sales pitch, they are actually taking money for vapor.
    - computerex 8y ago
      It's ignorant to compare Tesla to the rest of the industry. Tesla only pretends to be in autonomous driving. You can't in fairness compare Tesla to actual companies like Cruise/MobilEye/Waymo that have real autonomous driving tech.
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sanguy 8y ago
I find him extremely annoying and flippant. And what’s up with the hooting fanboys?
- basementcat 8y ago
  Cult of Personality.
  - Godel_unicode 8y ago
    Aren't most tech announcements like this, though?
- xedeon 8y ago
  Get off your high horse.
dlgeek 8y ago
How can you actually call that an SUV? (I guess they got away with it for the X)
- onychomys 8y ago
  Is it supposed to be? It looks a whole lot like the Model 3. Maybe a hatchback version of that. It looks like most places are calling it a "small crossover", which is basically just a sedan with a couple of inches of extra space in the back.
  - dlgeek 8y ago
    Elon himself on stage called it a "midsize SUV".
    - dr_ 8y ago
      It apparently seats 7 people. I don’t know any sedans that can do that.
      - sjwright 8y ago
        At the risk of being that person, the Tesla Model S can.
        r00fus 8y ago
        Do the rear facing child seats count? Also you can’t install those after market.
        sjwright 8y ago
        Who said you could install them after market? Are there any cars on the road that let you install additional seats after market?
        tqi 8y ago
        https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/05/tesla-model-s-third-row-seats-are-suitable-only-for-kids/index.htm https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/05/tesla-model...
vcavallo 8y ago
How is that an suv?
- trymas 8y ago
  What is an SUV?
redindian75 8y ago
He just announced the prices (took a screengrab) Standard Range (230miles) -> $39K (Spring 2021) Long Range (300miles) -> $47K (Fall 2020) Dual ($51k) Performance ($60k) (Fall 2020)
- mortenjorck 8y ago
  The first question in my mind is "are these retail prices, or are they gas-savings-spitball prices?"
  - cloudwalking 8y ago
    They are retail prices. https://www.tesla.com/modely https://www.tesla.com/modely
    - hellcow 8y ago
      Every price listed on that site has an asterisk pointing to "Prices include gas savings." So no, these are the gas spitball prices GP was asking about.
      - anextomp 8y ago
        They are retail prices. It's been known for a few weeks now that it would be ~10% more expensive than the model 3, where the standard range model is $35k pre-"savings"
      - m463 8y ago
        no, the comment above was correct. Configuring a model y with no/all options I see: lowest: $42,700 After savings $47,000 Before savings highest: $70,200 After savings $74,500 Before savings
      - zdrummond 8y ago
        No, they are the actual price. The price with incentive plus "gas savings" is about 5k cheaper. As for the website, look down and to the left for the full retail.
matz1 8y ago
I guess I'm not much a car person but I can't see much difference between all the model.
- azhenley 8y ago
  They certainly have a common theme but they are fairly easy to distinguish in person. The 3 and S are really close until you compare their size or interior.
  - matz1 8y ago
    Yea I can distinguished them but as a non car enthusiast I would consider the S3X model as one category.
    - Joky 8y ago
      Without being a car enthusiast these are clearly not in the same category to me. I have hard time believing anyone being close to an X would not feel it: it is much higher. You feel much higher on the road seating in it. It is less clear cut between S and 3, but driving them is making you feel how much larger/bulky the S is (having to fit luggages in the 3 is also making you realize how smaller it is). And S wouldn't fit in my garage while my 3 is fitting just fine :) I mean unless you're not a car person to the point of "it has four wheels, it is a car"...
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- m463 8y ago
  I usually check the door handles, but now the model Y door handles look like the model 3.
  - umeshunni 8y ago
    It probably won't at launch
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elchief 8y ago
I want my Tesla truck
- biswaroop 8y ago
  Check out Rivian: https://products.rivian.com/ https://products.rivian.com/
  - radium3d 8y ago
    Rivian is a great contemporary design truck. I can't wait to see the "futuristic" Tesla truck Elon is so excited about!
  - joering2 8y ago
    I think Scaringe is super undervalued at the moment. The company is brilliant! Scaringe seems to like rockets too so I wouldnt be surprised if he starts his own space company at some point.
VikingCoder 8y ago
Towing capacity? Anybody know?
- jpgvm 8y ago
  Probably more than you would expect. Electric motors have frankly insane torque compared to their ICE equivalents.
  - sunstone 8y ago
    If I recall correctly the Model X can pull 5000 lbs. It would be nice if this Model Y can do the same.
rmason 8y ago
I was a bit shocked at the price being as low. They're putting in a Supercharger two miles away. Before today I appreciated what Musk was doing but never considered getting a Tesla. As of tonight I am reconsidering. My only unknown right now is going to be service.
- samcheng 8y ago
  Service with Tesla has been pretty good. For small things (like problems with those notorious doors) they will drive to you and fix it, even if the car is in a parking lot at work. You can schedule over text message and in the app. It's a refreshing improvement over your average luxury car dealer, who treats service as a profit center. The issue is with parts - delays for some body parts mean your car may be sitting in the shop for MONTHS waiting for key pieces.
  - rmason 8y ago
    OK so the nearest branch is in Cleveland which is like five hours away. What do I drive while it's in the shop for MONTHS waiting on parts?
    - praneshp 8y ago
      > it's in the shop for MONTHS waiting on parts tbh, if I got a, say, BMW, knowing the nearest branch is 5 hours away, I would factor the possibility that it can be in the show for WEEKS, if not MONTHS, waiting on parts. (my 3-series has spent 2 weeks at the dealership at least twice)
      - toomuchtodo 8y ago
        I have a 2018 Model S and I assume it could take well over a year to get repaired in the event of damage :( it’s not for everyone.
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abhisuri97 8y ago
Is it supposed to be a midway point between Model 3 and Model X? Or is it supposed to be the cheaper version of Model X? I can't tell exactly where it fits into the lineup since "midsize SUV" can mean a lot of different things and is pretty vague (especially since the model X is considered a "compact crossover SUV" per wikipedia).
- Gaelan 8y ago
  Y is to X as 3 is to S
  - ralusek 8y ago
    Garth, that was a haiku.
    - mikekij 8y ago
      Best comment.
mythz 8y ago
Excited, a Tesla Model 3-like SUV at a 10% premium sounds like my perfect car. As nice as the Model X is, it's prohibitively expensive and I'm not a fan of the falcon wing doors so I'm hoping the Model Y hits all the sweet spots.
samcheng 8y ago
Here's the unveil (over an hour into the video): https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I?t=4775 https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I?t=4775
- emehrkay 8y ago
  They're lined up by model S, 3, X, Y. Mature. Oh he says it multiple times at the end. Dork
  - mieses 8y ago
    the design of his cars has always been about sex. he's a smart guy but also vulgar and boring.
obilgic 8y ago
I don't know how I feel about those random cheerings .
dmix 8y ago
Stream is down.
nodesocket 8y ago
This video is unavailable. ??
- dang 8y ago
  We changed the URL from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I, since that video seems to have been taken down.
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hoorayimhelping 8y ago
S3XY. heh
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radium3d 8y ago
Base model prices including destination charges without gas savings discounted. Tesla Model 3 - $31450 right now after CA + Fed rebate Tesla Model Y - $48200 likely no rebate available at release Tesla Model Y premium over 3 = $16,750 Keep in mind the Model Y also includes the premium interior features which cost an additional $3500 to get by upgrading to the Model 3 mid range, bringing the premium over the 3 to $13,250. The Model Y also gets 80 miles of additional range over the base Model 3.
- atomi 8y ago
  The pricing page says, "pricing includes gas savings." It's likely more than $48200.
  - radium3d 8y ago
    No I didn't use the price with the estimated gas savings bs. Click "details" to view the actual purchase price.
  - ChristianGeek 8y ago
    It also doesn’t include any of the autopilot features. Add $3,000 for the basics, $8,000 for full. And $4,000 for AWD. Oh, and $1,500 if you want anything but black. (All the same prices for the 3, but still something to consider.)
- petersellers 8y ago
  The base Model Y (RWD long range) is comparable in features and performance to the RWD long range Model 3. When you compare those two, it's only a 4K price differential (47K vs 43K). It's a bit misleading to say the Model Y has a 13K premium over the 3; that's only true if you compare two cars with drastically different feature packages.
  - argonaut 8y ago
    You're forgetting the tax credits on the Model 3, which probably won't exist when the Model Y is released. This is also an important factor for the future because the price of the Model 3 will likely be lowered as the credits expire.
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theDoug 8y ago
Are there any photos of the Model Y with seven adults inside?
pdq 8y ago
Overlay of the Model 3 vs Model Y: https://twitter.com/TeslaCharts/status/1106412707211866112 https://twitter.com/TeslaCharts/status/1106412707211866112
- trixie_ 8y ago
  aka Tesla short seller posts a tweet that makes the 3 and Y and look the same size, that is now being retweeted by tons of people spreading misinformation. https://twitter.com/NumbersNerd2/status/1106422454434582529 https://twitter.com/NumbersNerd2/status/1106422454434582529
  - computerex 8y ago
    You are the one spreading misinformation. You can superimpose the images yourself if you don't trust the "short seller".
modzu 8y ago
ugh the dash. in canada we wear gloves :( HUD yet?
mrharrison 8y ago
Pretty neat, except it says production begins late next year.
lisper 8y ago
"Production is expected to begin late next year." I'll give long odds against.
- tristanperry 8y ago
  Their new Shanghai factory (Gigafactory 3) seems to be partially built with the Model Y in mind so I wouldn't count against this actually being true.
myself248 8y ago
Snow-land wants to know: Front-wheel drive, ever? I'm not driving rear-only, ever. Did that once, not again. I'm not paying another $11,000 to get the dual-motor version when all I care about is the front. That's a whole 'nother car worth of money. Keep on building California cars, Elon. I'll buy one as soon as it fits both my budget and my climate. Some models fit one or the other, but nothing does both.
- ramenmeal 8y ago
  Interesting point. This should actually be an advantage for Tesla as the engineering and manufacturing costs would be much lower to produce front, rear and all wheel drive options than a traditional ICE car. I'm guessing they're hoping people buy the dual motor option for this scenario though.
  - fingerlocks 8y ago
    Why would the costs be lower? Honest question. On an ICE vehicle the only difference between rear and all wheel drive is a differential and a drive shaft. Maybe I don’t know enough about electric vehicles, but “dual motor” sounds a lot more expensive.
    - londons_explore 8y ago
      Big electric motors are actually pretty cheap. They've existed in industry for over a century, and their manufacture is entirely automated. The raw materials cost of two motors each with half the power matches that of one motor. The motor controllers are probably the more expensive part, although most of the cost there is engineering design cost (much of industry doesn't use fancy motor controllers needed for a car, and cars use high power MOSFETs which are rapidly evolving tech). Tesla designing them in house will eliminate much of the cost over enough volume.
    - pedrocr 8y ago
      > On an ICE vehicle the only difference between rear and all wheel drive is a differential and a drive shaft. You need three differentials for AWD as you first need to split the power front/back and then right/left in each axle. That's two more differentials than in just RWD or FWD. You also need to package all that together with a gearbox. That's why many manufacturers don't even offer an AWD option, and having both FWD and RWD versions of a car is very rare if it happens at all. Meanwhile Tesla already builds all their cars to have two independent motors front/back each with their differential. They could very easily build a FWD car right now just by omitting the rear assembly. The cars are apparently even already designed to work with just the front motor for reliability so even the software update would be simple. And building AWD cars by having two electric motors is almost surely not more expensive than the ICE way. Electric motors are much simpler than combustion ones and you eliminate all the mechanical parts needed to split the power between the axles. Control also becomes much better as the software gets to adjust power independently to both axles.
radium3d 8y ago
Model Y vs Model 3 Schematics https://imgur.com/a/eVzAhEs https://imgur.com/a/eVzAhEs
Cyclone_ 8y ago
Is it just me or does that thing not really look like an SUV? Looks a little small, when I heard it was being called an SUV I was a little surprised.
- gamblor956 8y ago
  I was thinking the same thing. Unless the angle is off in all the videos, it's not much taller than some sedans/hatchbacks like the Avalon and most Subarus. Even calling it a crossover seems like a stretch, since it appears to have a foot less headspace (or more!) than crossovers like the RAV4 or CRV.
  - abalone 8y ago
    Panoramic roof probably mitigates the headspace issue. May not feel so cramped.
    - gamblor956 8y ago
      For the driver and driver-side passenger, sure. But the slope looks horrible for people in the middle row, and there's a reason the 2 people in the back row during the demo were extremely short Asian women...it doesn't look like there's any headspace there at all.
- walkingolof 8y ago
  I also wonder how you would fit a roof box on that thing, sort of a requirement for calling a car a SUV IMO
- bryanlarsen 8y ago
  The specs say it seats seven adults, so even if that's a good squeeze, it must be larger than it looks.
- audunw 8y ago
  It's usually been called a CUV though BEVs have more interior space compared to exterior size. The Model 3 is already comparable to ICE CUVs in cargo volume (not shape of the volume of course) https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/11/who-needs-the-model-y-how-does-tesla-model-3-cargo-space-compare-to-a-mercedes-benz-crossovers-cargo-space/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/11/who-needs-the-model-y-h...
lettergram 8y ago
“Full self-driving capabilities” One of the items listed is your car finding you in a parking lot. I gotta day... I really don’t want to get hit by a self-driving Tesla in a parking lot. Having experienced some of the auto-pilot issues first hand... I have serious doubts about this one.
- mikejb 8y ago
  "pending regulatory approval" They won't get that for a long time. Autopilot is a driver assist feature. The step to "the driver doesn't have to pay attention/be present" is gigantic, and I'm not holding my breath until Tesla will get that right.
  - seniorsassycat 8y ago
    Aren't many parking lots private land and therefore not regulated?
    - mikejb 8y ago
      That's a good point, and I guess highly dependent on location. I honestly don't know how this works in the US, though in Germany pretty much every private parking lot has signs that the road traffic regulations apply, which would then result in the same limitations as on the road. I think (read: hope) that there is some regulation for traffic on privately owned parking lots in the US, and at least a superficial skim of what information the internet has to offer, there are some rules of the road that may also apply to private property (e.g. reckless driving, impaired driving, vehicular homicide, ...). This might limit what Tesla can (or is willing to) do even on privately owned parking lots. But I'm not a lawyer (obviously), so this is just an idiots' take. I guess this question goes on the list of "problems modern technology presents that regulations need to prepare for".
    - unityByFreedom 8y ago
      You can't just run someone over b/c private. The company or driver could be held liable.
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legitster 8y ago
It is hard to describe exactly the niches they are trying to fill with the designs. I don't see the Y suddenly appealing to someone who didn't already want an X or Y or 3. The differences between models borders on what other companies would consider trim levels. They are only cannibalizing the same market, as opposed to producing a pickup or a hatchback or a van on the same chassis. Are they limited by tech or capital? Or are they really attached to an idea of what a perfect car is and have trouble extending the vision?
- Leynos 8y ago
  Seems to me that the model X is a saloon car, while the Y is a fastback. Don't most car manufacturers make cars of both types?
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Seems to me that the model X is a saloon car, while the Y is a fastback. The Model X, Model 3, and Model Y all have continuously sloping roofline to the rear edge; all are fastbacks.
- cheschire 8y ago
  I'm sure that's why they're trying to dig a more visible trench between the two levels by removing the jump seats and lower cost versions of the model S. They seem to want a sedan and an SUV, with a premium luxury version they can push new semi-experimental technology into that hasn't yet been proven in the industry as sustainable at scale, and then the more accessible models that leverage economies of scale from the successful bits of the higher end vehicles. I guarantee that once the big rig version is making money, they're going to start making the smaller inner-city delivery vehicles using similar tech.
- sliken 8y ago
  I have a 2004 Forester XT which is fast (beat all 3 $40k sports cars reviewed in the same magazine in 0-60 times), handles great (for a SUV), and has enough cargo space to be quite functional. The AWD system is great in the snow, and it has enough clearance to handle even pretty serious storms... (assuming plows are going anyway). Sadly Subaru has abandoned the fast, but practical market. No WRX hatch, no turbo Forester, and the Crosstrek is very slow. The CVT is horrid as well. Model 3 is small, low, and fast. Great as a second car, but not something I'd want as the primary car for a family + dog. I would not want to cross the Sierras in a snow storm with under 6" of clearance. So the model Y fixes all my issues with the 3. A bit larger (smaller than an X though), a bit more clearance (by the looks anyways), and has generous cargo room. All while being as easy to park/drive as the smaller cars like the model 3.
phil9987 8y ago
So they thought before being able to produce the other models in a reliable way, why not release yet another model?! Great idea publicity wise, I doubt that this can be sustainable in the long term though. Why not focusing on getting one thing right?
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- B1FF_PSUVM 8y ago
  "Fire and motion", probably, as in https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ 'In infantry battles, he told us, there is only one strategy: Fire and Motion. You move towards the enemy while firing your weapon. The firing forces him to keep his head down so he can’t fire at you. (That’s what the soldiers mean when they shout “cover me.” It means, “fire at our enemy so he has to duck and can’t fire at me while I run across this street, here.” It works.) The motion allows you to conquer territory and get closer to your enemy, where your shots are much more likely to hit their target. If you’re not moving, the enemy gets to decide what happens, which is not a good thing. If you’re not firing, the enemy will fire at you, pinning you down.'
willvarfar 8y ago
I don't get why Teslas have bonnets! The Y even has a flat panel where the radiator traditionally is! They are trying to look like a conventional car from the distance! I remember when the first Renault Espaces turned up. Suddenly a car without a bonnet! (Okay, technically, perhaps it wasn't the first. But it was the first different-looking car to suddenly be everywhere that I remember!) That was revolutionary and different. Its a pity that Tesla feel the public need them to disguise their cars. I want an electric car which can seat 6 but on a normal 4-person footprint. I want a people-carrier!
- synaesthesisx 8y ago
  > Its a pity that Tesla feel the public need them to disguise their cars. Tesla's success is due to the fact that their vehicles look like normal cars. The products further up their roadmap are likely to challenge the status quo of vehicle design (like the "Blade-Runner" Tesla pickup truck).
- ec109685 8y ago
  The bonnet is additional storage and also the motors protrude into that area so it's not like they could eliminate that space completely for at least all wheel drive vehicles.
  - willvarfar 8y ago
    The mclaren f1 put the driver in the middle, forward. There's lots of innovative ways to better use the space. Putting the 'additional storage' in a low bit with nothing using the space above it is just squandering footprint.
    - Zanni 8y ago
      What are you going to put in the space above it? You don't want to put the driver or passengers there, they need the protection of the crumple zone. And anything else impedes the view of the driver.
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mikorym 8y ago
So I skimmed the page, am I right that TL;DR is: 1. This is to the model 3 what the x is to the model s. 2. Expect to pay around model 3 price point + 25%. 3. Range for high end models is further than high end model 3's. Missing anything important?
- sliken 8y ago
  I was looking at the Model Y AWD, is 5.1% more expensive than the model 3 AWD. The Model Y range is 280 miles vs 310 for the model 3 AWD. There's no model Y that matches or beats the model 3 LR which has 325 mile range.
mothsonasloth 8y ago
Jaguar are going to be worried about their I-Pace now. This price will also undercut Audi and Mercedes too.
rado 8y ago
Awful glitchy site, hopefully not a reflection of the product.
dgzl 8y ago
The program is complete: S3XY
davedx 8y ago
This is the electric car I’ve been waiting for. We’re a family of 6 and for the longest time the Model X or some huge hybrids were our only options. This is half the price of an X. I can afford it. Bring on the 7 seat version... in Europe... (starts waiting).
- koonsolo 8y ago
  I'm also looking for a 7 seat model. But does it look like the 3rd row has a lot of space? A quick search didn't show me any details on this. Not even a single picture of the rear part inside.
  - davedx 8y ago
    Not much information available yet. I found one photo showing the rear seats don’t have headrests, but we’ll see. I think it still ticks all the boxes for me. Seriously considering putting a deposit down.
- kieranyo 8y ago
  I'm in the same situation as you. This is perfect. 2021 feels so far away though!
isolli 8y ago
Touch screens should be banned on security [edit: safety] grounds. You need to take your eyes off the road to perform simple operations such as adjusting heating. Relying on muscle memory with physical knobs is much safer. And it's not just Tesla, it's a worrying trend for many car manufacturers.
- martin_bech 8y ago
  How do you explain Teslas higher safety record if that was true? Its absolutely no problem using a Touch screen, have been for 4 years and 100.000km in my Model S.
  - netsharc 8y ago
    Sigh... "This car has a higher safety record, it has a touch screen, that must mean touch screens are safer!".
    - wrve 8y ago
      I think the argument they try to make is that the car is safe despite of the touchscreen.
      - stingraycharles 8y ago
        But that could be because of all the safety features. How do you know it would not be even safer without the touchscreen?
        natch 8y ago
        Yes need three square feet of dizzying knob porn crawling and festooning every part of the dashboard. And a little bitty screen you have to lean and squint to read. Makes sense. /s
    - natch 8y ago
      You have it backwards. The claim is that touch screens are less safe. The claim is being presented with evidence that contradicts the claim. That’s not the same as making a new claim that touch screens are safer. Sigh.
Rebelgecko 8y ago
Model Y will have Full Self-Driving capability, enabling automatic driving on city streets and highways pending regulatory approval, as well as the ability to come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Pending regulatory approval, and also they need figure out how to make it work first. Off the top of my head I remember similar claims being made about the summoning feature of the model S. Has it lived up to the marketing promises?
- x38iq84n 8y ago
  Nope, Tesla is still blatantly lying.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
    That we don't know. And we know that you don't know either. So who's a liar?
    - x38iq84n 8y ago
      Coast-to-coast AP demo was promised before Eo2017. Still waiting. Meanwhile, the AP cannot handle traffic lights, city traffic, conditions of bad weather, sections of road with poor or temporary lanes, it crashes to high-vis large stationary objects directly in line of sight and travel, yada yada. They don't seem to have anything solid to back up the promises with, so claiming that "enabling automatic driving on city streets and highways pending regulatory approval" is very deceptive and insincere with potential customers.
      - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
        So you admit it was not a lie. The coast-to-coast demo for EoY 2017 was not a promise either, but a goal. Elon Musk, 2017: >Our goal is — I feel pretty good about this goal — is that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy, all the way from L.A. to New York — so, basically, from a home in L.A. to, let’s say, dropping you off in Times Square, in New York, then having the car go and park itself by the end of next year — without the need for a single touch, including the charging. Elon Musk, 2018: >I’ve been meaning to address this, because obviously I missed the mark on that front. I mean, focus was very much on Model 3 production so everything else kind of took a second place to that. We could have done the coast-to-coast drive but it would have required too much specialized code to effectively game it, or make it somewhat brittle in that it would work for one particular route but not be a general solution. Who's hyping things up here? >They don't seem to have anything solid to back up the promises (...) So now you say "they don't seem to", because you don't know? Okay.
thomasfl 8y ago
Why can't the specs be in the metric system? It's only one large country left on the planet that still hasn't adpoted it.
- ketzu 8y ago
  While I think it's fair to present the data in the US units on the US page, I was a little surprised to see English descriptions & "cu ft" as a unit of cargo space on the german version (https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely). Note: All other models are well translated, including these stats: Y: "540 km range" 3: "530 km Reichweite"
- ihuman 8y ago
  Because that one large country happens to be where the company is located? It is normal for US-based companies to use the measurement system the US uses. I don't know what you were expecting.
ernesth 8y ago
In the hope to get standard unit, I pretended to be german. https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely?redirect=no Tells me 65 cuft cargo, 540 km range. I asked wolfram alpha what 65 cuft meant. I now know that it is 1/10 the volume of a gray whale. Or 1841 L. Compared to the american version (66cuft, 300mi), the german has a marginally smaller cargo volume but a far greater range (480 km vs 540 km)
- rypskar 8y ago
  >(480 km vs 540 km) Probably because of different standards for calculating range in USA and Europe (EPA vs NEDC)
  - rplnt 8y ago
    And the cargo difference would be something like mandatory warning triangle.
- sliken 8y ago
  The EPA testing is well known to return lower numbers than the EU version. Generally it seems like the EPA numbers are pretty good for electric cars. Without trying, consumers are pretty close. If you are careful you can beat them. The EU numbers on the other hand tend to be overly optimistic.
bryanlarsen 8y ago
Did the announcement say whether the first Y's would be built in Fremont or Nevada? In January Elon said "most likely" Nevada, did that get updated? That Nov 2020 date is a lot firmer if Fremont than Nevada, which is the main reason I'm asking. I would have expected the first line to be set up in Fremont -- that's where they have the experienced assemblers. And while that would slow production of the 3, it would also allow them to adjust the ASP up towards the more profitable models.
- sliken 8y ago
  Fremont has no more room. I think it's 6 assembly lines for the S, X, and model 3 (except for batteries and motors which come from Nevada). So they are at capacity and not changing anytime soon. The model Y will use the battery and motors from the model 3 and Tesla is building a new assembly line in Nevada based on their experience building 3 assembly lines in Fremont. Given that the y shares 75% or so of the parts of the model 3, it shouldn't be nearly as hard as the first model 3 assembly line. I don't believe the model 3 shared any parts with the S and X, and obviously are targeting a much simpler and efficient production line to hit the much lower price points. So given they are producing 5k a week model 3s and have learned quite a bit in the process it doesn't seem nearly as risky to start a new line for the Ys in Fremont. Time will tell of course.
  - bryanlarsen 8y ago
    "Fremont has no more room" Yes, they'd have to switch a line.
    - sliken 8y ago
      I'd love it if they did, seems like a retrofit for the 25% different parts would be MUCH faster than building a new line from scratch. I suspect the USA market no longer needs 5k m3s a week, but so far the Europe and China market demand seem to be healthy.
Nanocurrency 8y ago
Do I understand it correctly? People buying this now, hope to receive the car in 2022?
londons_explore 8y ago
Really surprised me they would make a big announcement so far in advance. Surely they'll just be canabalising sales of the Model 3 while people wait for the Y. Making a big announcement 1 or 2 months before availability seems far more sensible.
- carlivar 8y ago
  I agree. I think they need the cash from orders now, and to show it in their q1 financials.
- leesec 8y ago
  They've done with basically every car.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
  They might simply prefer to unveil the specs themselves rather than let leakers do.
a13n 8y ago
I gotta give it to them, it's insane how fast they're moving. In less than a decade they've gone from one highly niche electric supercar to a luxury sedan, a luxury SUV, a mid-range sedan, and a mid-range SUV. And in sales they're crushing competition that have been building cars for literally a hundred years. So excited for the zero-exhaust future.
- jes5199 8y ago
  in what sense is this an SUV? It looks just like a sedan
  - Amygaz 8y ago
    Well the Kia Niro can apparently be an SUV, even if it is barely bigger than a Corolla. (Niro owner here)
    - robterrell 8y ago
      Got a mini-review for us?
  - jorisw 8y ago
    It’s a CUV. A compact SUV.
    - jtuente 8y ago
      CUV is crossover utility vehicle.
      - magicalhippo 8y ago
        This is almost getting as silly as music genres.
  - a13n 8y ago
    It has 3 rows of seats and seats 7 people.
RickJWagner 8y ago
I'd like to think this is going to be a smash hit for Tesla, propelling us into an electric car future. But I really have fears it's a last-ditch effort to raise operating capital, at $2.5k a pop. Time will tell.
kabes 8y ago
Just me who thinks the front is very porsche cayenne?
mgoetzke 8y ago
but will it have a trailer hitch ?
cjbenedikt 8y ago
Amazing amount of nativity of mist comments. Completely ignore environmental impact of batteries: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environmen...
leesec 8y ago
Amazing to me the knee jerk response from most people is to criticize this company. Yes they have issues (as does literally every brand/company), but on the whole aren't we glad people are leading the charge towards electric vehicles? They've sped up the advent of electric vehicles by at least 5 years, possibly more like 10. Looking forward to seeing this company continue to thrive.
- neovive 8y ago
  I agree. It's refreshing to see a relatively new company bearing the risk of expanding the electric vehicle industry and not accepting the status quo.
- 0x262d 8y ago
  1. individual cars are a dumb way to "fix" the environment, they're hyper resource intensive and have so many problems 2. the good way is to build mass transit and radically change society, which is a political issue. tesla comes in a long tradition of sucking public funding into a private entity which cuts across that 3. additionally tesla propagandizes against the above 4. elon musk is a colossal dipshit so that is mostly why I criticize them.
  - ancorevard 8y ago
    "2. the good way is to build mass transit and radically change society". Study transportation needs of people and you will discover that mass transit only fulfill some parts of people's mobility needs. Study: https://micromobility.io https://micromobility.io
    - mhermher 8y ago
      And it's falling short of that even! The issue isn't what the optimal state is, it's the delta between here and there.
  - fucking_tragedy 8y ago
    > 1. individual cars are a dumb way to "fix" the environment, they're hyper resource intensive and have so many problems This may have been a poor way to say it, but it is the truth. We will not buy or consume our way out of climate change or negative externalities that affect the environment. > 2. the good way is to build mass transit and radically change society, which is a political issue. tesla comes in a long tradition of sucking public funding into a private entity which cuts across that Again, a poor choice of words for an otherwise good point: if we want to see a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, we need to move away from the idea of ubiquitous transportation via personal vehicles.
jcfrei 8y ago
"Production is expected to begin early 2021". So first major deliveries in 2022, I wonder how much excitment will be left at that point.
- leesec 8y ago
  Where does is say that?
  - spankweasel 8y ago
    Spec out a car. Go through the options and in the summary page it says: "Your Model Y Production is expected to begin late next year"
    - dagw 8y ago
      When I did it (in Sweden) it said production expected to begin early 2022, so it also depends where you are.
dxxvi 8y ago
The cheapest 5-seat Model Y is $51k, 7-seat is $54k. I bought a 2018 Acura MDX (7 seats) with 3k miles for $42.3k. At $3 per a gallon of premium gasoline and $60 for each oil change, I think I'll spend $11.7k in about 3-4 years. So, the 7-seat Model Y sounds better, doesn't it?
- leesec 8y ago
  The base model will start at 39k, it is just not yet available.
option 8y ago
because of range, design and autopilot, I can’t imagine my next car to be anything other than Tesla
roland35 8y ago
I am surprised that the cost is as low as it is! I am debating whether to go the used EV route and get a 3 year old Nissan Leaf at $13,000 or a new Tesla at $30,000, but with over double the range...
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SamuelAdams 8y ago
Is it possible to buy a version without self-driving capabilities? Personally just having a nice EV would be great, especially if that reduces the cost by 5-10k.
- robotresearcher 8y ago
  Autopilot USD $3k option, FSD $5K option.
nwah1 8y ago
The flex circuit technology is the most interesting aspect of the Model Y, if the plans haven't changed.
mark-r 8y ago
Is there anyplace on the site that gives an overview of each model and how they're different? After seeing the page in the link I'm still left wondering what's new.
pdovy 8y ago
Will be interested to see what the standard range pricing ends up being, they would really be on to something if they could make a version of this that is closer to Model 3 pricing. It seemed weird to me that when other car makers are abandoning the sedan style entirely that Tesla would pick it for it's stab at a more affordable model. As a city dweller that still needs to tote around kids / pets / supplies a hatchback / crossover is a great combo of utility and not being ungodly large.
probablyexists 8y ago
I have been saying I was holding out for the Model Y for years, but I just can't get past the cost of the software upgrades on these..
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nickhalfasleep 8y ago
This reminds me of my Mazda 5, which is a "micro-van" in the US. They don't sell them in the US anymore, but a small vehicle with a 3rd row.
wincy 8y ago
I’m not sure if anyone else noticed this and maybe it’s too juvenile for Hacker News, but Tesla now sells the models S, 3, X, and Y, S3XY.
jordache 8y ago
Their design team is literally a one trick pony.
- tshannon 8y ago
  Possibly, but I wonder if it has more to do with prioritizing drag over everything else including unique design. Don't all jet's pretty much have the same external design? How many different ways can you design a car if you goal is to lessen drag as much as possible? I'm asking honestly. I have no idea.
  - jordache 8y ago
    that goal doesn't influence the shape of headlights, tail lights....
jnaddef 8y ago
After models X and Y, can't wait for models Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon
neop1x 8y ago
I am a fan of electric cars but why no one seems to care about SW and HW inside, especially for always-on, always-connected HW? I've heard they had to SSH into customers machines to fix something. And that one day they kept Kubernetes cluster insecure and let someone run mining on it. I won't trust the software - I need a device where I can at least set up the firewall. But an open firmware would be even better. But it won't happen because of how these industries work. That is a pity because it's up to you how you secure your home pc. But it's up to manufacturer to secure your connected devices and they are not always doing maximum. Over time, there will be many connected cars and IoT devices with outdated, broken, wrongly-configured firmware (look at routers nowadays). And don't tell me you can remotely control driving servos in such cars. Because if you can, a hacker can become a serial killer or a hitman soon...
omar3550 8y ago
I am not a fan of Tesla nor electric cars. The future of transportation is not electric, (please get yourself out of Elon’s reality distortion field) it’s Hydrogen- one of the most abundant elements in the universe. Once the challenges are solved, we will use saltwater as a fuel. (Water aka H2O has 2 hydrogen molecules and 1 oxygen molecule, the salt can be used as a catalyzer in hydrogen extraction.

650 points by kiddz 8y ago

The website is up: https://www.tesla.com/modely https://www.tesla.com/modely 300 mile range, seats 7, looks a lot like a model 3 (so I guess kind of like a Mercedes GLC?) $51,000 for the all-wheel-drive version, although Tesla is notorious for playing games with their pricing...

mandeepj 8y ago
I had to do - 'Empty cache and hard reload' to get the updated page. Model Y looks like a child of Model 3 and Model X.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  I too had to nuke both tesla.com cookies and also "force.com" ones (a CRM by salesforce). Seems like it has aggressive caching. Incognito also resolves it. Off topic: I wish pages would stop hijacking my scroll. It makes for a jerky/buggy experience that I hate.
  - warrenmiller 8y ago
    or just add some gubbins onto the url https://www.tesla.com/modely?a=1 https://www.tesla.com/modely?a=1 works
    - m463 8y ago
      Is that mcguffins? Like in the Pulp Fiction briefcase? :)
  - chrismorgan 8y ago
    Scrolljacking is always bad. I have come across about two instances where it was almost decent, but they still managed to be bad. This is not one of those; this is one of the usual lot that are just plain bad with no redeeming features. Completely unusable on my laptop with touch, and infuriating to scroll with the touchpad or keyboard. And disabling JavaScript isn’t an option because then the entire page is completely broken.
tqi 8y ago
That third row looks like it will have 0 headroom
- umeshunni 8y ago
  And from the image in the video, it looks like the back row seats didn't even have headrests.
- alkonaut 8y ago
  If it fits 4ft humans that would be plenty so long as there is somewhere else to fit a 6ft human
  - B1FF_PSUVM 8y ago
    'This is an announcement from Genetic Control: "It is my sad duty to inform you of a four foot restriction on humanoid height."' https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/genesis/getemoutbyfriday.html https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/genesis/getemoutbyfriday.htm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-TwWnn0dk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp-TwWnn0dk (not arguing, just reminded ...)
- josefresco 8y ago
  Third row in any vehicle not a giant SUV is a nightmare for any average sized adult.
- navigatesol 8y ago
  It has no headrests. Is that even legal?

dannylandau 8y ago

model Y looks like a real let down.

statictype 8y ago

Note how the links are arranged on the website: S 3 X Y

dwd 8y ago
He's been waiting 10 years to make the joke about his s3xy lineup of cars. I prefered the BFR working name (with a nod to Doom).
- Someone1234 8y ago
  It would have been "sexy" but there was legal issues with Model E (Ford owned it[0]). [0] http://fortune.com/2014/05/07/tesla-drops-model-e-trademark-but-ford-hangs-on/ http://fortune.com/2014/05/07/tesla-drops-model-e-trademark-...
  - dwd 8y ago
    Sounded a bit like a spoiler given how many times they failed to use it and the trademark lapsed. Tesla might still have had a problem of it being too close to the E-Type (Jaguar) if Ford hadn't challenged them.
hi5eyes 8y ago
elon also tweeted that meme yesterday https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1106063248581894144 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1106063248581894144
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sjwright 8y ago
It was a moderately funny lame joke 8 years ago. Today it might be the most drawn-out lame joke in corporate history.
- db48x 8y ago

LeoPanthera 8y ago

I refuse to sign up for spam just to watch their announcement.

xxpor 8y ago
I hope they enjoy sending email to sucks@lol.net
datainplace 8y ago
Youtube Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I
- Animats 8y ago
  Is he drunk? High?
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  - JshWright 8y ago
    He's Elon... He's always been a terrible public speaker
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vowelless 8y ago

Here is the direct, unlisted YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I

WestCoastJustin 8y ago
Thank you. This should be the main link.
iceninenines 8y ago
Thanks. Lmao at all the fangirls in the audience who hang on every little thing Musk says.
drilldrive 8y ago
Is there any way to just receive the audio for these sorts of things? Live video is too hard on my bandwidth.
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- sjwright 8y ago
  Not a useful answer but you could force 144p video. Youtube's audio quality associated with these ultra low quality video rates used to be abysmal but it's pretty good now.
- gdrulia 8y ago
  youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 <video URL> [0] - https://askubuntu.com/questions/178481/how-to-download-an-mp3-track-from-a-youtube-video https://askubuntu.com/questions/178481/how-to-download-an-mp...
- airstrike 8y ago
  https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube
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dlgeek 8y ago

Elon Musk is many things, but a charismatic public speaker is not one of them.

slg 8y ago
He also has the humor of a 6th grader. He is able to accomplish a lot of impressive things, but his humor almost makes it painful to watch one of these presentation or follow him on Twitter.
sbr464 8y ago
Idk, I appreciate a sincere, non-corporate spokesperson in our current climate.
- gotocake 8y ago
  I’m not even going to touch “sincere” given his now documented history of lying outright, but non-corporate? Huh? How many corporations do you need to run before you’re corporate?
  - duado 8y ago
    Just like you can have a solo “entrepreneur” who doesn’t actually have any revenue but acts “corporate” in a suit talking about his synergistic strategic partnerships, you can have the opposite.
  - sbr464 8y ago
    I’m just saying I appreciate the cowboy/straight forward talk at this level of market cap, vs the robotic, corporate, expected talking style.
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sidcool 8y ago

https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I

userbinator 8y ago

I wonder what will come after the Model Z (if they do make one.)

newnewpdro 8y ago
I presume the next model is the 2: 2S3XY
- r00fus 8y ago
  Cue right-said fred.
- DecoPerson 8y ago
  Well with the new Roadster coming, it'll be S3XYR
  - azhenley 8y ago
    Semi S3XYR!
- chucky_z 8y ago
  it better be a track-only model
jfoutz 8y ago
So far they have been S3XY. i'm pretty sure the next model has to be a space character so they can move on to the next word.
- agildehaus 8y ago
  They made one of Elon's Roadsters into the space model.
perilunar 8y ago
If they do a light truck it could be the Tesla U (for ute), then R for the Roadster, giving RU S3XY ?

zmix 8y ago

Too bad, one can't FFWD a live event...

compsciphd 8y ago
youtube live has a back buffer so come in late

sidcool 8y ago

Glad to know Tesla is going to focus on Solar Roof and Powerwall this year. Quite honest of him to say that Model 3 caused delays there.

7e 8y ago
No doubt the Model 3 also prevented the coast to coast self driving demo promised for 2017.
- ehnto 8y ago
  I think self driving is just proving to be a harder problem to solve than they and the rest of the industry thought.
  - AndrewBissell 8y ago
    The rest of the industry at least had the compunction not to sell the product before it was finished.
    - ehnto 8y ago
      Can't argue there. Their marketing was definitely ahead their developmemt.
      - cma 8y ago
        He doesn't mean sell as in sales pitch, they are actually taking money for vapor.
  - computerex 8y ago
    It's ignorant to compare Tesla to the rest of the industry. Tesla only pretends to be in autonomous driving. You can't in fairness compare Tesla to actual companies like Cruise/MobilEye/Waymo that have real autonomous driving tech.
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sanguy 8y ago

I find him extremely annoying and flippant. And what’s up with the hooting fanboys?

basementcat 8y ago
Cult of Personality.
- Godel_unicode 8y ago
  Aren't most tech announcements like this, though?
xedeon 8y ago
Get off your high horse.

dlgeek 8y ago

How can you actually call that an SUV? (I guess they got away with it for the X)

onychomys 8y ago
Is it supposed to be? It looks a whole lot like the Model 3. Maybe a hatchback version of that. It looks like most places are calling it a "small crossover", which is basically just a sedan with a couple of inches of extra space in the back.
- dlgeek 8y ago
  Elon himself on stage called it a "midsize SUV".
  - dr_ 8y ago
    It apparently seats 7 people. I don’t know any sedans that can do that.
    - sjwright 8y ago
      At the risk of being that person, the Tesla Model S can.
      - r00fus 8y ago
        Do the rear facing child seats count? Also you can’t install those after market.
        sjwright 8y ago
        Who said you could install them after market? Are there any cars on the road that let you install additional seats after market?
      - tqi 8y ago
        https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/05/tesla-model-s-third-row-seats-are-suitable-only-for-kids/index.htm https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/05/tesla-model...

vcavallo 8y ago

How is that an suv?

trymas 8y ago
What is an SUV?

redindian75 8y ago

He just announced the prices (took a screengrab) Standard Range (230miles) -> $39K (Spring 2021) Long Range (300miles) -> $47K (Fall 2020) Dual ($51k) Performance ($60k) (Fall 2020)

mortenjorck 8y ago
The first question in my mind is "are these retail prices, or are they gas-savings-spitball prices?"
- cloudwalking 8y ago
  They are retail prices. https://www.tesla.com/modely https://www.tesla.com/modely
  - hellcow 8y ago
    Every price listed on that site has an asterisk pointing to "Prices include gas savings." So no, these are the gas spitball prices GP was asking about.
    - anextomp 8y ago
      They are retail prices. It's been known for a few weeks now that it would be ~10% more expensive than the model 3, where the standard range model is $35k pre-"savings"
    - m463 8y ago
      no, the comment above was correct. Configuring a model y with no/all options I see: lowest: $42,700 After savings $47,000 Before savings highest: $70,200 After savings $74,500 Before savings
    - zdrummond 8y ago
      No, they are the actual price. The price with incentive plus "gas savings" is about 5k cheaper. As for the website, look down and to the left for the full retail.

matz1 8y ago

I guess I'm not much a car person but I can't see much difference between all the model.

azhenley 8y ago
They certainly have a common theme but they are fairly easy to distinguish in person. The 3 and S are really close until you compare their size or interior.
- matz1 8y ago
  Yea I can distinguished them but as a non car enthusiast I would consider the S3X model as one category.
  - Joky 8y ago
    Without being a car enthusiast these are clearly not in the same category to me. I have hard time believing anyone being close to an X would not feel it: it is much higher. You feel much higher on the road seating in it. It is less clear cut between S and 3, but driving them is making you feel how much larger/bulky the S is (having to fit luggages in the 3 is also making you realize how smaller it is). And S wouldn't fit in my garage while my 3 is fitting just fine :) I mean unless you're not a car person to the point of "it has four wheels, it is a car"...
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m463 8y ago
I usually check the door handles, but now the model Y door handles look like the model 3.
- umeshunni 8y ago
  It probably won't at launch
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elchief 8y ago

I want my Tesla truck

biswaroop 8y ago
Check out Rivian: https://products.rivian.com/ https://products.rivian.com/
- radium3d 8y ago
  Rivian is a great contemporary design truck. I can't wait to see the "futuristic" Tesla truck Elon is so excited about!
- joering2 8y ago
  I think Scaringe is super undervalued at the moment. The company is brilliant! Scaringe seems to like rockets too so I wouldnt be surprised if he starts his own space company at some point.

VikingCoder 8y ago

Towing capacity? Anybody know?

jpgvm 8y ago
Probably more than you would expect. Electric motors have frankly insane torque compared to their ICE equivalents.
- sunstone 8y ago
  If I recall correctly the Model X can pull 5000 lbs. It would be nice if this Model Y can do the same.

rmason 8y ago

I was a bit shocked at the price being as low. They're putting in a Supercharger two miles away. Before today I appreciated what Musk was doing but never considered getting a Tesla. As of tonight I am reconsidering. My only unknown right now is going to be service.

samcheng 8y ago
Service with Tesla has been pretty good. For small things (like problems with those notorious doors) they will drive to you and fix it, even if the car is in a parking lot at work. You can schedule over text message and in the app. It's a refreshing improvement over your average luxury car dealer, who treats service as a profit center. The issue is with parts - delays for some body parts mean your car may be sitting in the shop for MONTHS waiting for key pieces.
- rmason 8y ago
  OK so the nearest branch is in Cleveland which is like five hours away. What do I drive while it's in the shop for MONTHS waiting on parts?
  - praneshp 8y ago
    > it's in the shop for MONTHS waiting on parts tbh, if I got a, say, BMW, knowing the nearest branch is 5 hours away, I would factor the possibility that it can be in the show for WEEKS, if not MONTHS, waiting on parts. (my 3-series has spent 2 weeks at the dealership at least twice)
    - toomuchtodo 8y ago
      I have a 2018 Model S and I assume it could take well over a year to get repaired in the event of damage :( it’s not for everyone.
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abhisuri97 8y ago

Is it supposed to be a midway point between Model 3 and Model X? Or is it supposed to be the cheaper version of Model X? I can't tell exactly where it fits into the lineup since "midsize SUV" can mean a lot of different things and is pretty vague (especially since the model X is considered a "compact crossover SUV" per wikipedia).

Gaelan 8y ago
Y is to X as 3 is to S
- ralusek 8y ago
  Garth, that was a haiku.
  - mikekij 8y ago
    Best comment.

mythz 8y ago

Excited, a Tesla Model 3-like SUV at a 10% premium sounds like my perfect car. As nice as the Model X is, it's prohibitively expensive and I'm not a fan of the falcon wing doors so I'm hoping the Model Y hits all the sweet spots.

samcheng 8y ago

Here's the unveil (over an hour into the video): https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I?t=4775 https://youtu.be/3ydPFR6xb3I?t=4775

emehrkay 8y ago
They're lined up by model S, 3, X, Y. Mature. Oh he says it multiple times at the end. Dork
- mieses 8y ago
  the design of his cars has always been about sex. he's a smart guy but also vulgar and boring.

obilgic 8y ago

I don't know how I feel about those random cheerings .

dmix 8y ago

Stream is down.

nodesocket 8y ago

This video is unavailable. ??

dang 8y ago
We changed the URL from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ydPFR6xb3I, since that video seems to have been taken down.
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hoorayimhelping 8y ago

S3XY. heh

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radium3d 8y ago

Base model prices including destination charges without gas savings discounted. Tesla Model 3 - $31450 right now after CA + Fed rebate Tesla Model Y - $48200 likely no rebate available at release Tesla Model Y premium over 3 = $16,750 Keep in mind the Model Y also includes the premium interior features which cost an additional $3500 to get by upgrading to the Model 3 mid range, bringing the premium over the 3 to $13,250. The Model Y also gets 80 miles of additional range over the base Model 3.

atomi 8y ago
The pricing page says, "pricing includes gas savings." It's likely more than $48200.
- radium3d 8y ago
  No I didn't use the price with the estimated gas savings bs. Click "details" to view the actual purchase price.
- ChristianGeek 8y ago
  It also doesn’t include any of the autopilot features. Add $3,000 for the basics, $8,000 for full. And $4,000 for AWD. Oh, and $1,500 if you want anything but black. (All the same prices for the 3, but still something to consider.)
petersellers 8y ago
The base Model Y (RWD long range) is comparable in features and performance to the RWD long range Model 3. When you compare those two, it's only a 4K price differential (47K vs 43K). It's a bit misleading to say the Model Y has a 13K premium over the 3; that's only true if you compare two cars with drastically different feature packages.
- argonaut 8y ago
  You're forgetting the tax credits on the Model 3, which probably won't exist when the Model Y is released. This is also an important factor for the future because the price of the Model 3 will likely be lowered as the credits expire.

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theDoug 8y ago

Are there any photos of the Model Y with seven adults inside?

pdq 8y ago

Overlay of the Model 3 vs Model Y: https://twitter.com/TeslaCharts/status/1106412707211866112 https://twitter.com/TeslaCharts/status/1106412707211866112

trixie_ 8y ago
aka Tesla short seller posts a tweet that makes the 3 and Y and look the same size, that is now being retweeted by tons of people spreading misinformation. https://twitter.com/NumbersNerd2/status/1106422454434582529 https://twitter.com/NumbersNerd2/status/1106422454434582529
- computerex 8y ago
  You are the one spreading misinformation. You can superimpose the images yourself if you don't trust the "short seller".

modzu 8y ago

ugh the dash. in canada we wear gloves :( HUD yet?

mrharrison 8y ago

Pretty neat, except it says production begins late next year.

lisper 8y ago

"Production is expected to begin late next year." I'll give long odds against.

tristanperry 8y ago
Their new Shanghai factory (Gigafactory 3) seems to be partially built with the Model Y in mind so I wouldn't count against this actually being true.

myself248 8y ago

Snow-land wants to know: Front-wheel drive, ever? I'm not driving rear-only, ever. Did that once, not again. I'm not paying another $11,000 to get the dual-motor version when all I care about is the front. That's a whole 'nother car worth of money. Keep on building California cars, Elon. I'll buy one as soon as it fits both my budget and my climate. Some models fit one or the other, but nothing does both.

ramenmeal 8y ago
Interesting point. This should actually be an advantage for Tesla as the engineering and manufacturing costs would be much lower to produce front, rear and all wheel drive options than a traditional ICE car. I'm guessing they're hoping people buy the dual motor option for this scenario though.
- fingerlocks 8y ago
  Why would the costs be lower? Honest question. On an ICE vehicle the only difference between rear and all wheel drive is a differential and a drive shaft. Maybe I don’t know enough about electric vehicles, but “dual motor” sounds a lot more expensive.
  - londons_explore 8y ago
    Big electric motors are actually pretty cheap. They've existed in industry for over a century, and their manufacture is entirely automated. The raw materials cost of two motors each with half the power matches that of one motor. The motor controllers are probably the more expensive part, although most of the cost there is engineering design cost (much of industry doesn't use fancy motor controllers needed for a car, and cars use high power MOSFETs which are rapidly evolving tech). Tesla designing them in house will eliminate much of the cost over enough volume.
  - pedrocr 8y ago
    > On an ICE vehicle the only difference between rear and all wheel drive is a differential and a drive shaft. You need three differentials for AWD as you first need to split the power front/back and then right/left in each axle. That's two more differentials than in just RWD or FWD. You also need to package all that together with a gearbox. That's why many manufacturers don't even offer an AWD option, and having both FWD and RWD versions of a car is very rare if it happens at all. Meanwhile Tesla already builds all their cars to have two independent motors front/back each with their differential. They could very easily build a FWD car right now just by omitting the rear assembly. The cars are apparently even already designed to work with just the front motor for reliability so even the software update would be simple. And building AWD cars by having two electric motors is almost surely not more expensive than the ICE way. Electric motors are much simpler than combustion ones and you eliminate all the mechanical parts needed to split the power between the axles. Control also becomes much better as the software gets to adjust power independently to both axles.

radium3d 8y ago

Model Y vs Model 3 Schematics https://imgur.com/a/eVzAhEs https://imgur.com/a/eVzAhEs

Cyclone_ 8y ago

Is it just me or does that thing not really look like an SUV? Looks a little small, when I heard it was being called an SUV I was a little surprised.

gamblor956 8y ago
I was thinking the same thing. Unless the angle is off in all the videos, it's not much taller than some sedans/hatchbacks like the Avalon and most Subarus. Even calling it a crossover seems like a stretch, since it appears to have a foot less headspace (or more!) than crossovers like the RAV4 or CRV.
- abalone 8y ago
  Panoramic roof probably mitigates the headspace issue. May not feel so cramped.
  - gamblor956 8y ago
    For the driver and driver-side passenger, sure. But the slope looks horrible for people in the middle row, and there's a reason the 2 people in the back row during the demo were extremely short Asian women...it doesn't look like there's any headspace there at all.
walkingolof 8y ago
I also wonder how you would fit a roof box on that thing, sort of a requirement for calling a car a SUV IMO
bryanlarsen 8y ago
The specs say it seats seven adults, so even if that's a good squeeze, it must be larger than it looks.
audunw 8y ago
It's usually been called a CUV though BEVs have more interior space compared to exterior size. The Model 3 is already comparable to ICE CUVs in cargo volume (not shape of the volume of course) https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/11/who-needs-the-model-y-how-does-tesla-model-3-cargo-space-compare-to-a-mercedes-benz-crossovers-cargo-space/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/03/11/who-needs-the-model-y-h...

lettergram 8y ago

“Full self-driving capabilities” One of the items listed is your car finding you in a parking lot. I gotta day... I really don’t want to get hit by a self-driving Tesla in a parking lot. Having experienced some of the auto-pilot issues first hand... I have serious doubts about this one.

mikejb 8y ago
"pending regulatory approval" They won't get that for a long time. Autopilot is a driver assist feature. The step to "the driver doesn't have to pay attention/be present" is gigantic, and I'm not holding my breath until Tesla will get that right.
- seniorsassycat 8y ago
  Aren't many parking lots private land and therefore not regulated?
  - mikejb 8y ago
    That's a good point, and I guess highly dependent on location. I honestly don't know how this works in the US, though in Germany pretty much every private parking lot has signs that the road traffic regulations apply, which would then result in the same limitations as on the road. I think (read: hope) that there is some regulation for traffic on privately owned parking lots in the US, and at least a superficial skim of what information the internet has to offer, there are some rules of the road that may also apply to private property (e.g. reckless driving, impaired driving, vehicular homicide, ...). This might limit what Tesla can (or is willing to) do even on privately owned parking lots. But I'm not a lawyer (obviously), so this is just an idiots' take. I guess this question goes on the list of "problems modern technology presents that regulations need to prepare for".
  - unityByFreedom 8y ago
    You can't just run someone over b/c private. The company or driver could be held liable.
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legitster 8y ago

It is hard to describe exactly the niches they are trying to fill with the designs. I don't see the Y suddenly appealing to someone who didn't already want an X or Y or 3. The differences between models borders on what other companies would consider trim levels. They are only cannibalizing the same market, as opposed to producing a pickup or a hatchback or a van on the same chassis. Are they limited by tech or capital? Or are they really attached to an idea of what a perfect car is and have trouble extending the vision?

Leynos 8y ago
Seems to me that the model X is a saloon car, while the Y is a fastback. Don't most car manufacturers make cars of both types?
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Seems to me that the model X is a saloon car, while the Y is a fastback. The Model X, Model 3, and Model Y all have continuously sloping roofline to the rear edge; all are fastbacks.
cheschire 8y ago
I'm sure that's why they're trying to dig a more visible trench between the two levels by removing the jump seats and lower cost versions of the model S. They seem to want a sedan and an SUV, with a premium luxury version they can push new semi-experimental technology into that hasn't yet been proven in the industry as sustainable at scale, and then the more accessible models that leverage economies of scale from the successful bits of the higher end vehicles. I guarantee that once the big rig version is making money, they're going to start making the smaller inner-city delivery vehicles using similar tech.
sliken 8y ago
I have a 2004 Forester XT which is fast (beat all 3 $40k sports cars reviewed in the same magazine in 0-60 times), handles great (for a SUV), and has enough cargo space to be quite functional. The AWD system is great in the snow, and it has enough clearance to handle even pretty serious storms... (assuming plows are going anyway). Sadly Subaru has abandoned the fast, but practical market. No WRX hatch, no turbo Forester, and the Crosstrek is very slow. The CVT is horrid as well. Model 3 is small, low, and fast. Great as a second car, but not something I'd want as the primary car for a family + dog. I would not want to cross the Sierras in a snow storm with under 6" of clearance. So the model Y fixes all my issues with the 3. A bit larger (smaller than an X though), a bit more clearance (by the looks anyways), and has generous cargo room. All while being as easy to park/drive as the smaller cars like the model 3.

phil9987 8y ago

So they thought before being able to produce the other models in a reliable way, why not release yet another model?! Great idea publicity wise, I doubt that this can be sustainable in the long term though. Why not focusing on getting one thing right?

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B1FF_PSUVM 8y ago
"Fire and motion", probably, as in https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ 'In infantry battles, he told us, there is only one strategy: Fire and Motion. You move towards the enemy while firing your weapon. The firing forces him to keep his head down so he can’t fire at you. (That’s what the soldiers mean when they shout “cover me.” It means, “fire at our enemy so he has to duck and can’t fire at me while I run across this street, here.” It works.) The motion allows you to conquer territory and get closer to your enemy, where your shots are much more likely to hit their target. If you’re not moving, the enemy gets to decide what happens, which is not a good thing. If you’re not firing, the enemy will fire at you, pinning you down.'

willvarfar 8y ago

I don't get why Teslas have bonnets! The Y even has a flat panel where the radiator traditionally is! They are trying to look like a conventional car from the distance! I remember when the first Renault Espaces turned up. Suddenly a car without a bonnet! (Okay, technically, perhaps it wasn't the first. But it was the first different-looking car to suddenly be everywhere that I remember!) That was revolutionary and different. Its a pity that Tesla feel the public need them to disguise their cars. I want an electric car which can seat 6 but on a normal 4-person footprint. I want a people-carrier!

synaesthesisx 8y ago
> Its a pity that Tesla feel the public need them to disguise their cars. Tesla's success is due to the fact that their vehicles look like normal cars. The products further up their roadmap are likely to challenge the status quo of vehicle design (like the "Blade-Runner" Tesla pickup truck).
ec109685 8y ago
The bonnet is additional storage and also the motors protrude into that area so it's not like they could eliminate that space completely for at least all wheel drive vehicles.
- willvarfar 8y ago
  The mclaren f1 put the driver in the middle, forward. There's lots of innovative ways to better use the space. Putting the 'additional storage' in a low bit with nothing using the space above it is just squandering footprint.
  - Zanni 8y ago
    What are you going to put in the space above it? You don't want to put the driver or passengers there, they need the protection of the crumple zone. And anything else impedes the view of the driver.
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mikorym 8y ago

So I skimmed the page, am I right that TL;DR is: 1. This is to the model 3 what the x is to the model s. 2. Expect to pay around model 3 price point + 25%. 3. Range for high end models is further than high end model 3's. Missing anything important?

sliken 8y ago
I was looking at the Model Y AWD, is 5.1% more expensive than the model 3 AWD. The Model Y range is 280 miles vs 310 for the model 3 AWD. There's no model Y that matches or beats the model 3 LR which has 325 mile range.

mothsonasloth 8y ago

Jaguar are going to be worried about their I-Pace now. This price will also undercut Audi and Mercedes too.

rado 8y ago

Awful glitchy site, hopefully not a reflection of the product.

dgzl 8y ago

The program is complete: S3XY

davedx 8y ago

This is the electric car I’ve been waiting for. We’re a family of 6 and for the longest time the Model X or some huge hybrids were our only options. This is half the price of an X. I can afford it. Bring on the 7 seat version... in Europe... (starts waiting).

koonsolo 8y ago
I'm also looking for a 7 seat model. But does it look like the 3rd row has a lot of space? A quick search didn't show me any details on this. Not even a single picture of the rear part inside.
- davedx 8y ago
  Not much information available yet. I found one photo showing the rear seats don’t have headrests, but we’ll see. I think it still ticks all the boxes for me. Seriously considering putting a deposit down.
kieranyo 8y ago
I'm in the same situation as you. This is perfect. 2021 feels so far away though!

isolli 8y ago

Touch screens should be banned on security [edit: safety] grounds. You need to take your eyes off the road to perform simple operations such as adjusting heating. Relying on muscle memory with physical knobs is much safer. And it's not just Tesla, it's a worrying trend for many car manufacturers.

martin_bech 8y ago
How do you explain Teslas higher safety record if that was true? Its absolutely no problem using a Touch screen, have been for 4 years and 100.000km in my Model S.
- netsharc 8y ago
  Sigh... "This car has a higher safety record, it has a touch screen, that must mean touch screens are safer!".
  - wrve 8y ago
    I think the argument they try to make is that the car is safe despite of the touchscreen.
    - stingraycharles 8y ago
      But that could be because of all the safety features. How do you know it would not be even safer without the touchscreen?
      - natch 8y ago
        Yes need three square feet of dizzying knob porn crawling and festooning every part of the dashboard. And a little bitty screen you have to lean and squint to read. Makes sense. /s
  - natch 8y ago
    You have it backwards. The claim is that touch screens are less safe. The claim is being presented with evidence that contradicts the claim. That’s not the same as making a new claim that touch screens are safer. Sigh.

Rebelgecko 8y ago

Model Y will have Full Self-Driving capability, enabling automatic driving on city streets and highways pending regulatory approval, as well as the ability to come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Pending regulatory approval, and also they need figure out how to make it work first. Off the top of my head I remember similar claims being made about the summoning feature of the model S. Has it lived up to the marketing promises?

x38iq84n 8y ago
Nope, Tesla is still blatantly lying.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
  That we don't know. And we know that you don't know either. So who's a liar?
  - x38iq84n 8y ago
    Coast-to-coast AP demo was promised before Eo2017. Still waiting. Meanwhile, the AP cannot handle traffic lights, city traffic, conditions of bad weather, sections of road with poor or temporary lanes, it crashes to high-vis large stationary objects directly in line of sight and travel, yada yada. They don't seem to have anything solid to back up the promises with, so claiming that "enabling automatic driving on city streets and highways pending regulatory approval" is very deceptive and insincere with potential customers.
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
      So you admit it was not a lie. The coast-to-coast demo for EoY 2017 was not a promise either, but a goal. Elon Musk, 2017: >Our goal is — I feel pretty good about this goal — is that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy, all the way from L.A. to New York — so, basically, from a home in L.A. to, let’s say, dropping you off in Times Square, in New York, then having the car go and park itself by the end of next year — without the need for a single touch, including the charging. Elon Musk, 2018: >I’ve been meaning to address this, because obviously I missed the mark on that front. I mean, focus was very much on Model 3 production so everything else kind of took a second place to that. We could have done the coast-to-coast drive but it would have required too much specialized code to effectively game it, or make it somewhat brittle in that it would work for one particular route but not be a general solution. Who's hyping things up here? >They don't seem to have anything solid to back up the promises (...) So now you say "they don't seem to", because you don't know? Okay.

thomasfl 8y ago

Why can't the specs be in the metric system? It's only one large country left on the planet that still hasn't adpoted it.

ketzu 8y ago
While I think it's fair to present the data in the US units on the US page, I was a little surprised to see English descriptions & "cu ft" as a unit of cargo space on the german version (https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely). Note: All other models are well translated, including these stats: Y: "540 km range" 3: "530 km Reichweite"
ihuman 8y ago
Because that one large country happens to be where the company is located? It is normal for US-based companies to use the measurement system the US uses. I don't know what you were expecting.

ernesth 8y ago

In the hope to get standard unit, I pretended to be german. https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/modely?redirect=no Tells me 65 cuft cargo, 540 km range. I asked wolfram alpha what 65 cuft meant. I now know that it is 1/10 the volume of a gray whale. Or 1841 L. Compared to the american version (66cuft, 300mi), the german has a marginally smaller cargo volume but a far greater range (480 km vs 540 km)

rypskar 8y ago
>(480 km vs 540 km) Probably because of different standards for calculating range in USA and Europe (EPA vs NEDC)
- rplnt 8y ago
  And the cargo difference would be something like mandatory warning triangle.
sliken 8y ago
The EPA testing is well known to return lower numbers than the EU version. Generally it seems like the EPA numbers are pretty good for electric cars. Without trying, consumers are pretty close. If you are careful you can beat them. The EU numbers on the other hand tend to be overly optimistic.

bryanlarsen 8y ago

Did the announcement say whether the first Y's would be built in Fremont or Nevada? In January Elon said "most likely" Nevada, did that get updated? That Nov 2020 date is a lot firmer if Fremont than Nevada, which is the main reason I'm asking. I would have expected the first line to be set up in Fremont -- that's where they have the experienced assemblers. And while that would slow production of the 3, it would also allow them to adjust the ASP up towards the more profitable models.

sliken 8y ago
Fremont has no more room. I think it's 6 assembly lines for the S, X, and model 3 (except for batteries and motors which come from Nevada). So they are at capacity and not changing anytime soon. The model Y will use the battery and motors from the model 3 and Tesla is building a new assembly line in Nevada based on their experience building 3 assembly lines in Fremont. Given that the y shares 75% or so of the parts of the model 3, it shouldn't be nearly as hard as the first model 3 assembly line. I don't believe the model 3 shared any parts with the S and X, and obviously are targeting a much simpler and efficient production line to hit the much lower price points. So given they are producing 5k a week model 3s and have learned quite a bit in the process it doesn't seem nearly as risky to start a new line for the Ys in Fremont. Time will tell of course.
- bryanlarsen 8y ago
  "Fremont has no more room" Yes, they'd have to switch a line.
  - sliken 8y ago
    I'd love it if they did, seems like a retrofit for the 25% different parts would be MUCH faster than building a new line from scratch. I suspect the USA market no longer needs 5k m3s a week, but so far the Europe and China market demand seem to be healthy.

Nanocurrency 8y ago

Do I understand it correctly? People buying this now, hope to receive the car in 2022?

londons_explore 8y ago

Really surprised me they would make a big announcement so far in advance. Surely they'll just be canabalising sales of the Model 3 while people wait for the Y. Making a big announcement 1 or 2 months before availability seems far more sensible.

carlivar 8y ago
I agree. I think they need the cash from orders now, and to show it in their q1 financials.
leesec 8y ago
They've done with basically every car.
rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
They might simply prefer to unveil the specs themselves rather than let leakers do.

a13n 8y ago

I gotta give it to them, it's insane how fast they're moving. In less than a decade they've gone from one highly niche electric supercar to a luxury sedan, a luxury SUV, a mid-range sedan, and a mid-range SUV. And in sales they're crushing competition that have been building cars for literally a hundred years. So excited for the zero-exhaust future.

jes5199 8y ago
in what sense is this an SUV? It looks just like a sedan
- Amygaz 8y ago
  Well the Kia Niro can apparently be an SUV, even if it is barely bigger than a Corolla. (Niro owner here)
  - robterrell 8y ago
    Got a mini-review for us?
- jorisw 8y ago
  It’s a CUV. A compact SUV.
  - jtuente 8y ago
    CUV is crossover utility vehicle.
    - magicalhippo 8y ago
      This is almost getting as silly as music genres.
- a13n 8y ago
  It has 3 rows of seats and seats 7 people.

RickJWagner 8y ago

I'd like to think this is going to be a smash hit for Tesla, propelling us into an electric car future. But I really have fears it's a last-ditch effort to raise operating capital, at $2.5k a pop. Time will tell.

kabes 8y ago

Just me who thinks the front is very porsche cayenne?

mgoetzke 8y ago

but will it have a trailer hitch ?

cjbenedikt 8y ago

Amazing amount of nativity of mist comments. Completely ignore environmental impact of batteries: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environmen...

leesec 8y ago

Amazing to me the knee jerk response from most people is to criticize this company. Yes they have issues (as does literally every brand/company), but on the whole aren't we glad people are leading the charge towards electric vehicles? They've sped up the advent of electric vehicles by at least 5 years, possibly more like 10. Looking forward to seeing this company continue to thrive.

neovive 8y ago
I agree. It's refreshing to see a relatively new company bearing the risk of expanding the electric vehicle industry and not accepting the status quo.
0x262d 8y ago
1. individual cars are a dumb way to "fix" the environment, they're hyper resource intensive and have so many problems 2. the good way is to build mass transit and radically change society, which is a political issue. tesla comes in a long tradition of sucking public funding into a private entity which cuts across that 3. additionally tesla propagandizes against the above 4. elon musk is a colossal dipshit so that is mostly why I criticize them.
- ancorevard 8y ago
  "2. the good way is to build mass transit and radically change society". Study transportation needs of people and you will discover that mass transit only fulfill some parts of people's mobility needs. Study: https://micromobility.io https://micromobility.io
  - mhermher 8y ago
    And it's falling short of that even! The issue isn't what the optimal state is, it's the delta between here and there.
- fucking_tragedy 8y ago
  > 1. individual cars are a dumb way to "fix" the environment, they're hyper resource intensive and have so many problems This may have been a poor way to say it, but it is the truth. We will not buy or consume our way out of climate change or negative externalities that affect the environment. > 2. the good way is to build mass transit and radically change society, which is a political issue. tesla comes in a long tradition of sucking public funding into a private entity which cuts across that Again, a poor choice of words for an otherwise good point: if we want to see a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, we need to move away from the idea of ubiquitous transportation via personal vehicles.

jcfrei 8y ago

"Production is expected to begin early 2021". So first major deliveries in 2022, I wonder how much excitment will be left at that point.

leesec 8y ago
Where does is say that?
- spankweasel 8y ago
  Spec out a car. Go through the options and in the summary page it says: "Your Model Y Production is expected to begin late next year"
  - dagw 8y ago
    When I did it (in Sweden) it said production expected to begin early 2022, so it also depends where you are.

dxxvi 8y ago

The cheapest 5-seat Model Y is $51k, 7-seat is $54k. I bought a 2018 Acura MDX (7 seats) with 3k miles for $42.3k. At $3 per a gallon of premium gasoline and $60 for each oil change, I think I'll spend $11.7k in about 3-4 years. So, the 7-seat Model Y sounds better, doesn't it?

leesec 8y ago
The base model will start at 39k, it is just not yet available.

option 8y ago

because of range, design and autopilot, I can’t imagine my next car to be anything other than Tesla

roland35 8y ago

I am surprised that the cost is as low as it is! I am debating whether to go the used EV route and get a 3 year old Nissan Leaf at $13,000 or a new Tesla at $30,000, but with over double the range...

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SamuelAdams 8y ago

Is it possible to buy a version without self-driving capabilities? Personally just having a nice EV would be great, especially if that reduces the cost by 5-10k.

robotresearcher 8y ago
Autopilot USD $3k option, FSD $5K option.

nwah1 8y ago

The flex circuit technology is the most interesting aspect of the Model Y, if the plans haven't changed.

mark-r 8y ago

Is there anyplace on the site that gives an overview of each model and how they're different? After seeing the page in the link I'm still left wondering what's new.

pdovy 8y ago

Will be interested to see what the standard range pricing ends up being, they would really be on to something if they could make a version of this that is closer to Model 3 pricing. It seemed weird to me that when other car makers are abandoning the sedan style entirely that Tesla would pick it for it's stab at a more affordable model. As a city dweller that still needs to tote around kids / pets / supplies a hatchback / crossover is a great combo of utility and not being ungodly large.

probablyexists 8y ago

I have been saying I was holding out for the Model Y for years, but I just can't get past the cost of the software upgrades on these..

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nickhalfasleep 8y ago

This reminds me of my Mazda 5, which is a "micro-van" in the US. They don't sell them in the US anymore, but a small vehicle with a 3rd row.

wincy 8y ago

I’m not sure if anyone else noticed this and maybe it’s too juvenile for Hacker News, but Tesla now sells the models S, 3, X, and Y, S3XY.

jordache 8y ago

Their design team is literally a one trick pony.

tshannon 8y ago
Possibly, but I wonder if it has more to do with prioritizing drag over everything else including unique design. Don't all jet's pretty much have the same external design? How many different ways can you design a car if you goal is to lessen drag as much as possible? I'm asking honestly. I have no idea.
- jordache 8y ago
  that goal doesn't influence the shape of headlights, tail lights....

jnaddef 8y ago

After models X and Y, can't wait for models Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

neop1x 8y ago

I am a fan of electric cars but why no one seems to care about SW and HW inside, especially for always-on, always-connected HW? I've heard they had to SSH into customers machines to fix something. And that one day they kept Kubernetes cluster insecure and let someone run mining on it. I won't trust the software - I need a device where I can at least set up the firewall. But an open firmware would be even better. But it won't happen because of how these industries work. That is a pity because it's up to you how you secure your home pc. But it's up to manufacturer to secure your connected devices and they are not always doing maximum. Over time, there will be many connected cars and IoT devices with outdated, broken, wrongly-configured firmware (look at routers nowadays). And don't tell me you can remotely control driving servos in such cars. Because if you can, a hacker can become a serial killer or a hitman soon...

omar3550 8y ago

I am not a fan of Tesla nor electric cars. The future of transportation is not electric, (please get yourself out of Elon’s reality distortion field) it’s Hydrogen- one of the most abundant elements in the universe. Once the challenges are solved, we will use saltwater as a fuel. (Water aka H2O has 2 hydrogen molecules and 1 oxygen molecule, the salt can be used as a catalyzer in hydrogen extraction.