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Wow. This is pretty ridiculous considering all three of these planes seem to have been closer to their destination than the origin, making it safer to just fini

by ak217 8y ago

Wow. This is pretty ridiculous considering all three of these planes seem to have been closer to their destination than the origin, making it safer to just finish the planned flight.

Scoundreller 8y ago
Getting back is another story. Stranding a plane at an away-station can be costly. Especially if there’s some repair required before next takeoff.
aunty_helen 8y ago
Both incidents have been in the first few minutes of flight and this is also a 'long term safety' thing. They're relatively safe to fly still. On the other hand, if your plane gets stuck in a foreign country the bill just for parking the thing could be massive. Better to get it back while you still can.
- lozaning 8y ago
  Eventually the bill can get so high that it doesn't make financial sense to still attempt to claim to be the owner. As of January there was a McDonnell Douglas MD87 in Madrid thats abandoned. Three 747 were sold for scrap in 2017 after they were abandoned at Kuala Lumpur.
- foobarbazetc 8y ago
  It can happen any time if it’s the MCAS issue again. Which we don’t know yet.
  - Scoundreller 8y ago
    You have a lot more time and airspeed to work with when flying at altitude at full speed.
cm2187 8y ago
Do these groundings also apply to ferrying the plane?
- 420codebro 8y ago
  Typically not. Ferrying without paying customers is probably allowed.
- foobarbazetc 8y ago
  Yes. You’d have to seek an exemption from every country you’re overflying. Probably not worth it.
- consp 8y ago
  From the official reports mentioned elsewhere: > From the effective date and time of this AD, do not operate the aeroplane, except that a single non-commercial ferry flight (up to three flight cycles) may be accomplished to return the aeroplane to a location where the expected corrective action(s) can be accomplished. So they are allowed to be ferried in certain situations.
kenneth 8y ago
If the plane is going to get grounded, the operator absolutely wants that to happen at home base, not at an outstation.
- rtkwe 8y ago
  edit: NVM missed that these were mostly Turkish Airlines not Norwegian. 2/3 of those planes are flying back to Istanbul vs their destinations. Does Norwegian have a maintenance hub there?
dukoid 8y ago
They got bitten by this recently: https://matadornetwork.com/read/norwegian-air-emergency-landing-iran-unable-leave/ https://matadornetwork.com/read/norwegian-air-emergency-land... (emergency landing in Iran, can't get parts there because of sanctions)

by ak217 8y ago

Wow. This is pretty ridiculous considering all three of these planes seem to have been closer to their destination than the origin, making it safer to just finish the planned flight.

Scoundreller 8y ago

Getting back is another story. Stranding a plane at an away-station can be costly. Especially if there’s some repair required before next takeoff.

aunty_helen 8y ago

Both incidents have been in the first few minutes of flight and this is also a 'long term safety' thing. They're relatively safe to fly still. On the other hand, if your plane gets stuck in a foreign country the bill just for parking the thing could be massive. Better to get it back while you still can.

lozaning 8y ago
Eventually the bill can get so high that it doesn't make financial sense to still attempt to claim to be the owner. As of January there was a McDonnell Douglas MD87 in Madrid thats abandoned. Three 747 were sold for scrap in 2017 after they were abandoned at Kuala Lumpur.
foobarbazetc 8y ago
It can happen any time if it’s the MCAS issue again. Which we don’t know yet.
- Scoundreller 8y ago
  You have a lot more time and airspeed to work with when flying at altitude at full speed.

cm2187 8y ago

Do these groundings also apply to ferrying the plane?

420codebro 8y ago
Typically not. Ferrying without paying customers is probably allowed.
foobarbazetc 8y ago
Yes. You’d have to seek an exemption from every country you’re overflying. Probably not worth it.
consp 8y ago
From the official reports mentioned elsewhere: > From the effective date and time of this AD, do not operate the aeroplane, except that a single non-commercial ferry flight (up to three flight cycles) may be accomplished to return the aeroplane to a location where the expected corrective action(s) can be accomplished. So they are allowed to be ferried in certain situations.

kenneth 8y ago

If the plane is going to get grounded, the operator absolutely wants that to happen at home base, not at an outstation.

rtkwe 8y ago
edit: NVM missed that these were mostly Turkish Airlines not Norwegian. 2/3 of those planes are flying back to Istanbul vs their destinations. Does Norwegian have a maintenance hub there?

dukoid 8y ago

They got bitten by this recently: https://matadornetwork.com/read/norwegian-air-emergency-landing-iran-unable-leave/ https://matadornetwork.com/read/norwegian-air-emergency-land... (emergency landing in Iran, can't get parts there because of sanctions)