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YouTube steadily moves toward the TV station model.

trumped 8y ago
Google has been moving toward that model for a long time... ideally, everyone will be using the get lucky button without typing anything (then they can show you what they feel like)
MBCook 8y ago
Honestly is it so bad if most videos end up turning off comments in the future? I use a blocker to hide comments and don’t seem to miss much. Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit.
- derefr 8y ago
  > Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit. Yes, exactly. I've never understood why content-host sites seem to think attaching first-party comment hosting directly to hosted content is a good idea. Why not just host what you host, and then let aggregator/discussion sites (various subreddits, various private forums, Usenet, Slack/Discord groups, etc.†) link to your thing-that-you host and host comments? You can have RSS feeds to ensure those aggregator sites can—if they want—automatically generate their own link-posts when your site has a new post. And, best of all (from my perspective, at least), it doesn't force people who are consuming your content for different reasons into the same room where they will inevitably shout over one-another due to competing access needs. Each community can have their own conversation about your content, and can feel morally justified in kicking out uncivil people, since they can just go find a different conversation about the same thing in a different community. Rather than there being one "canonical" conversation that they feel shut out of. † I exclude Twitter from this list because Twitter has no concept of partitioned subcommunities, and so inevitably, if there's a conversation about something on Twitter, it becomes the "canonical" conversation. That's kind of the point of Twitter, for some use-cases (e.g. celebrities arguing with other celebrities where other celebrities can watch and get pulled in), but it's bad for the use-case of regular people trying to have a regular discussion.
  - MBCook 8y ago
    I don’t think of Twitter for discussion as much as for feedback. Whether you liked the video, what you’d like to see the next video be about, etc. Relatively 1-way communication.
    - derefr 8y ago
      Twitter definitely works great for that use-case. But in the process, it also frequently blows up into a tire-fire of "hot takes", when [Alice from subcommunity "Skub"] takes a feedback thread between you and [Bob from subcommunity "Anti-Skub"], and retweets it to flame Bob, or to flame you for talking to Bob—and you, the content-creator, get pulled into the ensuing discussion as dozens of people keep @-ing you about it. I think, if users couldn't see (or maybe just couldn't retweet) one-another's DMs to a checkmark'ed-account (or to any account that was "made for the purpose of feedback"—maybe we could have a separate icon for that?) it'd fix a lot of Twitter's current problems. But really, if content creators want to get "feedback", they just need a thing that's essentially like email—a separate private channel between them and each audience-member—but where you can easily forward a whole email thread, after the fact, to the content host, and it'll appear below the content in an FAQs section. Sort of like how reviews work in some digital storefronts.
  - icebraining 8y ago
    The community is the valuable part; creators want people to find their stuff, users want to find interesting channels and its fans, etc. If you evict the community to an outside site, will someone care if the video links starting point to Vimeo or another video hoster instead of YouTube? Probably a bit, but not that much. Why would YouTube makes changes that make them more into a replaceable part?
    - derefr 8y ago
      I didn't suggest that you remove the community. Users have a stream of liked content, a list of subscriptions, etc. That's valuable on its own—just ask Pinterest. You don't need comments to make the experience social.
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- Mirioron 8y ago
  What you're missing is that those other sites can eventually come under fire for the same reason. Then they will take the same route. Also, imagine being a small creator that makes youtube videos. Are people really going to go find your subreddit to post comments on the video? That sounds inefficient and serves really no purpose.
- raxxorrax 8y ago
  Why are people so keen on restricting the rights of others? You have your solution and everything is fine, no?

Google has been moving toward that model for a long time... ideally, everyone will be using the get lucky button without typing anything (then they can show you what they feel like)

MBCook 8y ago

Honestly is it so bad if most videos end up turning off comments in the future? I use a blocker to hide comments and don’t seem to miss much. Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit.

derefr 8y ago
> Let people discuss videos on other sites like twitter or reddit. Yes, exactly. I've never understood why content-host sites seem to think attaching first-party comment hosting directly to hosted content is a good idea. Why not just host what you host, and then let aggregator/discussion sites (various subreddits, various private forums, Usenet, Slack/Discord groups, etc.†) link to your thing-that-you host and host comments? You can have RSS feeds to ensure those aggregator sites can—if they want—automatically generate their own link-posts when your site has a new post. And, best of all (from my perspective, at least), it doesn't force people who are consuming your content for different reasons into the same room where they will inevitably shout over one-another due to competing access needs. Each community can have their own conversation about your content, and can feel morally justified in kicking out uncivil people, since they can just go find a different conversation about the same thing in a different community. Rather than there being one "canonical" conversation that they feel shut out of. † I exclude Twitter from this list because Twitter has no concept of partitioned subcommunities, and so inevitably, if there's a conversation about something on Twitter, it becomes the "canonical" conversation. That's kind of the point of Twitter, for some use-cases (e.g. celebrities arguing with other celebrities where other celebrities can watch and get pulled in), but it's bad for the use-case of regular people trying to have a regular discussion.
- MBCook 8y ago
  I don’t think of Twitter for discussion as much as for feedback. Whether you liked the video, what you’d like to see the next video be about, etc. Relatively 1-way communication.
  - derefr 8y ago
    Twitter definitely works great for that use-case. But in the process, it also frequently blows up into a tire-fire of "hot takes", when [Alice from subcommunity "Skub"] takes a feedback thread between you and [Bob from subcommunity "Anti-Skub"], and retweets it to flame Bob, or to flame you for talking to Bob—and you, the content-creator, get pulled into the ensuing discussion as dozens of people keep @-ing you about it. I think, if users couldn't see (or maybe just couldn't retweet) one-another's DMs to a checkmark'ed-account (or to any account that was "made for the purpose of feedback"—maybe we could have a separate icon for that?) it'd fix a lot of Twitter's current problems. But really, if content creators want to get "feedback", they just need a thing that's essentially like email—a separate private channel between them and each audience-member—but where you can easily forward a whole email thread, after the fact, to the content host, and it'll appear below the content in an FAQs section. Sort of like how reviews work in some digital storefronts.
- icebraining 8y ago
  The community is the valuable part; creators want people to find their stuff, users want to find interesting channels and its fans, etc. If you evict the community to an outside site, will someone care if the video links starting point to Vimeo or another video hoster instead of YouTube? Probably a bit, but not that much. Why would YouTube makes changes that make them more into a replaceable part?
  - derefr 8y ago
    I didn't suggest that you remove the community. Users have a stream of liked content, a list of subscriptions, etc. That's valuable on its own—just ask Pinterest. You don't need comments to make the experience social.
- 8y ago
Mirioron 8y ago
What you're missing is that those other sites can eventually come under fire for the same reason. Then they will take the same route. Also, imagine being a small creator that makes youtube videos. Are people really going to go find your subreddit to post comments on the video? That sounds inefficient and serves really no purpose.
raxxorrax 8y ago
Why are people so keen on restricting the rights of others? You have your solution and everything is fine, no?