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First .dev Domains Go Live
- ryanmarsh 8y agoI'd really like to see which .dev domains are getting registered at the higher prices. Is there any way to see a feed of this data?
- icebraining 8y agoIn theory, you can get that here: https://dnpedia.com/tlds/daily.php https://dnpedia.com/tlds/daily.php (write "dev" in the TLD column) Doesn't seem to have those listed in the top article, though, not sure why. Maybe it'll update later. EDIT: The official source seems to be https://czds.icann.org/ https://czds.icann.org/
- ImJasonH 8y agohttps://google.dev/ https://google.dev/ says: > There was no service found for the uri requested.
- notafrog 8y agoLooks like they were in a hurry with the page title too: > Error 404 (Not Found)!!1
- CydeWeys 8y agoYeah, that site isn't configured/launched yet; if/when it is, expect to see some kind of announcement. It's common to not resolve at all or display a simple error message when you already have your domain but aren't using it yet.
- mchannon 8y agoThis landrush is different. Try putting a one-character .dev domain in your cart (0.dev is available as of now). It's not a lump sum plus $12/year. It's thousands every year after registration. In a way, I guess this is useful for deterring "domainers". Even a 4-letter word or name .dev is hundreds of dollars a year. I wonder if the annual fee will drop as the days go by or just the purchase price.
- icebraining 8y agoThey're called "premium domains". I think all new gTLDs have them.
- Nuzzerino 8y agoIt's not "deterring" domainers, it's asserting an unfair monopoly over the practice itself.
- jlarocco 8y agoI'm not familiar with all of the details of how domain registration works, but will these always have to go through Google? I'm interested in buying one, but not from them.
- ravenstine 8y agoDo TLDs even matter? I'm working on building a professional blog, and although a .dev TLD seems appropriate, using a cheaper one like .co or .be, or even .io seems functionally identical and a lot less costly. Paying hundreds or thousands for .dev seems like paying for pure vanity. Is it going to help people reach your site? I kinda doubt it. Will Google use it to index your site differently? Maybe, but I dunno. I hope not, but it would kind of make sense.
- CydeWeys 8y ago.io domains cost a lot more than .dev domains.
- ravenstine 8y agoOn a per-year basis, yes. However, this is the subtotal at the checkout on namecheap when I typed in ravenstine.dev: C$14,572.71 :(
- icebraining 8y agoCheck again on the 29th.
- CydeWeys 8y agoYeah, because we're currently in the early access program, which is a Dutch auction. Once the auction ends on the 28th, domains will be available starting from the base registration price.
- jhgg 8y agoHow does a company who owns a trademark get a domain early like Slack and Github did?
- CydeWeys 8y agoYou need to get your trademark into the Trademark Clearinghouse: https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse Then you use a corporate domain name registrar to register it during the sunrise phase.
- mslev 8y agoMe: "Wow [myfirstname].dev is available! I gotta get it!" Aaaaaaand its $11,500.
- qnk 8y agoMine is not available either and I doubt someone paid $11,500 for an Italian name with the dev extension. How come? My guess is some providers are "reserving" them.
- technofiend 8y agoWhich is exactly why I won't check on any domains I want until I'm ready to buy them: I don't need a "domain taster" locking them up for profit.
- CydeWeys 8y agoYeah, it's a Dutch auction. This is the first price step, so everything costs that much today, even adgfhjklhajklsdfghaksdfasdf.dev. The price will go down according to the schedule, and it'll be bought when someone is willing to pay that much for it.
- markdown 8y agoThe rich get first pick. How very capitalist.
- burger_moon 8y agoKinda weird that Google issued itself web.dev and opensource.dev It feels like those would've been better suited for non-profit orgs
- nbar1 8y agoThe content on those domains is highly relevant and appears to be thorough. What do you think a non-profit could have used them for that would be better?
- davchana 8y agoWell they are the owner/operator of .dev, so first dibs are for them.
- frou_dh 8y agoOnly if you for some reason attribute gravitas to it. This is just yet another scattershot TLD. It's about as consequential as .ninja in the grand scheme of things.
- jgrahamc 8y agoSuch as https://workers.dev/ https://workers.dev/
- iambvk 8y ago$98 a year? Are they serious? Do they think all developers live in the first world?
- thfuran 8y agoThey only care that enough do that they can make bank.
- icebraining 8y agoWhere are you seeing that price? Maybe you found a "premium" domain, the base rate seems to be (will be, after EAP) about $12/year.
- iambvk 8y agoGoogle domains page says $98 a year after early-access.
- icebraining 8y agoDoesn't it say "PREMIUM"? Here I'm seeing 12€/year: https://domains.google.com/m/registrar/search?searchTerm=randomstring.dev&hl=en https://domains.google.com/m/registrar/search?searchTerm=ran...
- hombre_fatal 8y agoAs another comment says, .dev is about as inconsequential as .ninja. It just happens to be cute for developers from a vanity perspective, but it doesn't matter.
- tschellenbach 8y agoIt didn't work, top domains were already gone at 09:00
- kowdermeister 8y agoIt certainly worked to stop me grabbing top domains.
- strictnein 8y ago> ...it requires HTTPS to connect to all .dev websites. This protects people who visit your site against ad malware and tracking injection by internet service providers The latter is true (it protects against injection), but I'm not sure how the former is. How would it protect against ad malware?
- toast0 8y agoIt protects against ad malware injection by ISPs. It certainly doesn't protect users from the other end of the TLS socket.
- dragonwriter 8y agoI think you are reading it wrong. It's not “(ad malware) and (tracking injection by ISPs)” but “(ad malware and tracking) injection by ISPs”.
- josteink 8y agoBut nobody with any respect for themselves has an un-ISP doing borderline illegal shit like that. It hardly seems like a worthwhile problem to solve at gTLD-scale.
- dragonwriter 8y ago> But nobody with any respect for themselves has an un-ISP doing borderline illegal shit like that. advertising and malware (both ad-related and not) injection by ISPs is a well documented global issue.
- kowdermeister 8y agoHmm, any idea why the list of countries are so limited? https://support.google.com/domains/answer/4639612?hl=en https://support.google.com/domains/answer/4639612?hl=en
- CydeWeys 8y agoGoogle Domains is one of many registrars selling .dev domains. Feel free to use a different registrar that offers support in your country.
- kemyd 8y agoPrices for early access .dev domains in other providers are at least 2x higher. For example, using GoDaddy, you can buy .dev domain for 800$ instead of 350$ on Friday (4th stage of early access).
- CydeWeys 8y agoFilter down to just ".dev EAP" here to see all registrars participating in EAP: https://www.registry.google/register-a-domain/#!/ https://www.registry.google/register-a-domain/#!/ And we have no control over registrar prices, or countries that any given registrar operates in.
- CedarHill 8y agoStupid expensive for what really?
- mtmail 8y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19179465 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19179465 suggests it's an ICAAN rule to charge higher prices on initial offering. 444 comments a couple of days ago in "Google .dev domain early access" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19178757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19178757
- barbecue_sauce 8y agoThey get progressively cheaper as we approach February 28. After that, I believe registrations are free with a $12 maintenance cost.
- CydeWeys 8y agoMinor correction, registrations are never free. Come 2019-02-28 16:00:00Z, they will be available at the base price. Registrars set their own prices, so depending on which registrar you're using, expect that to be around $12-20/yr (including the initial year).
- kickopotomus 8y agoDo you happen to have a source for the 16:00 UTC base price switch? I am not seeing a specific time on any of the linked pages.
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- Arcuru 8y agoThe schedule is documented here: https://domains.google/tld/dev/ https://domains.google/tld/dev/
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- snowwolf 8y agoSlack and Github were so worried about someone cybersquatting that they were willing to pay $11,500 each to get those domains today? I guess that's the point of the Dutch auction system, but still seems like a waste of money.
- arkitaip 8y agoIt's the cost of coffee for a couple of days or so.
- snowwolf 8y agoIs this Venezuelan coffee? https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-venezuela-cafe-con-leche-index/?terminal=true https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-venezuela-cafe-con-l... But note I think you mean the $12 price but that’s only available from the 28th Feb. To buy today it is $11,500 (unless as others have pointed out you got it as part of the trademark sunrise period)
- lgierth 8y agoThe sunrise period for trademark owners was a whole month until today, with a much more reasonable price tag.
- morpheuskafka 8y agoFor Microsoft (which owns GitHub) that is a tiny expense, but if they couldn't really afford it they could just file a dispute under UDRP.
- victor106 8y agoWould rather spend that money on validating a product idea or improving customer experience.
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- sascha_sl 8y ago12000 a pop and filed under "small business". Ok.
- CydeWeys 8y agoIt's a descending price auction. That's the highest price; it goes down with each day.
- sascha_sl 8y agoOkay I appreciate you're still willing to engage my snarky commentary, but I really really disagree that 12k is going to be a good barrier to enable people to "get the domain they really want". It enables people with money to do that. It looks like someone looked at this and said "well 12 grand is affordable but not at scale so people will think twice" - no this is just impossible for some people and amplifying unequal distribution. People with this kind of money already have a "I can get 1000 of em" advantage at $12 a year. No need to give those people more of a head start. This policy comes from a place of privilege and I despise it. Period. What's next, ReCAPTCHA bypass if you have Google One? (Ha I say that like it's not already implicitly the case that RC trusts a well tracked Google user more.)
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- CraftThatBlock 8y agoAlso as another commenter said, Trademark owners (GitHub, Slack, etc) could get their domains earlier at a lower price.
- sascha_sl 8y agoWhich is funny because trademark owners tend to not be "small businesses".
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- denom 8y agoI sort of get the appeal of a '.dev' TLD, but I wish that google donated the whole thing to those who were using it informally for local development. That would have been a good gift to all the devs out there.
- francislavoie 8y agoThere are more devs than just web devs. Just sayin'
- organsnyder 8y agoWeb devs aren't the only ones that need test/dummy hostnames. That being said, as mentioned in another comment, there are other TLDs already reserved for such use.
- Twisol 8y agoThe `.test` and `.localhost` TLDs are already reserved for such purposes: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606
- reaperducer 8y ago.test is OK, but as was pointed out in the HN discussion on this topic last week, .localhost is problematic in some operating systems.
- dragonwriter 8y agolocalhost is reserved for a very different purpose, though .local is a reserved pseudo-TLD for a purpose encompassing much of what was suggest by GP for .dev.
- btgeekboy 8y ago.local is for multicast. Don’t use it for anything else unless you want a headache.
- marksomnian 8y agoThere is one thing that annoys me about generic TLDs like .dev, .website, .cloud, .network etc. For example, Salesforce have https://crm.dev https://crm.dev - are they the only CRM in the world? Hell no, but they're the biggest, so they can be the only one in the .dev space. Same with workers.dev.
- stanleydrew 8y agoWhat's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?
- ianai 8y agoProbably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. Not sure how it’d work. Edit-the tech to do this via gps even exists today.
- baud147258 8y agoSo there would an .apple tld, with address like dev.apple, buy.apple and so on?
- CydeWeys 8y agoIndeed there is a .apple TLD: https://icannwiki.org/.apple https://icannwiki.org/.apple I haven't seen any uses of it in the wild though.
- mises 8y agohttps://experience.apple/ipad-pro/ https://experience.apple/ipad-pro/ https://share.newsroom.apple/ https://share.newsroom.apple/ For future reference, search Google for "site:*.dev"
- benologist 8y agoOn a recent thread Google personnel mentioned that ICANN forces all domain providers to backup their data so that any domain provider going bankrupt won't affect domains. However there was no mention of what procedures Google Domains themselves have put in place to protect their customers in case their customers get irreversibly banned somewhere within Google's vast empire. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19178757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19178757 If the answer is they keep your domains, like they do with Adsense revenue when they ban accounts, then you should definitely be getting your .dev through a different domain provider who Google cannot avoid cooperating with because of ICANN rules they have to follow. https://www.searchenginejournal.com/adsense-lawsuit/248135/ https://www.searchenginejournal.com/adsense-lawsuit/248135/
- sudhirj 8y agoThe domains customers aren't tied to Google user accounts. You buy them from the regular registrars like Gandi.net or (heaven forbid) Godaddy, and use them from your dashboards there. You don't have to use a gmail address anywhere.
- benologist 8y agoIf you buy them through Google Domains you need your Google account to renew domains, set nameservers etc, which is why these other registrars should be used. This same argument actually dates back years for not using your web host for your domain registrar, because of contrived problems hindering domain transfers.
- icebraining 8y agoBut Google Domains ain't issuing this TLD; Google Registry is, and they don't even push their sibling service, it's shown as any other. So I don't see the relevance in their thread.
- benologist 8y agoEverything I said is true for Google Registry too... and anywhere else Google sells domains. They each should be ensuring domain portability for their respective customers and so far they're not doing that.
- OedipusRex 8y agoHow did Google get in charge of this? Why did they get to set the price points for registering these domains? ICANN really sold out for this one.
- eugeniub 8y agoA couple years ago ICANN started letting companies buy customized TLDs through an auction process. I'm not sure how much they paid, but for comparison, Google tried buying .blog a while ago but was outbid by Automattic, who paid $19 million. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11686086 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11686086
- OedipusRex 8y agoThis is privatization of the web.
- jrockway 8y agoIt's not. You can make your own DNS server and sell records to anyone you want. You just have to convince users to type in your address instead of 8.8.8.8.
- vokep 8y agoRealistically, how could a project be setup around this? I mean, how do we get everyday normal people to use it? Its been attempted before (namecoin etc)...but maybe some advantage could be given to make it more attractive.
- i_cant_speel 8y agoThe current state of things are OK enough that it's not worth it to normal people to make the switch. If that time ever comes, people will do so.
- guessmyname 8y ago
- RileyJames 8y agoDamn, the only domain I want is premium. And renews for $720 per year. I guess that miiight stop squatters, but I feel like it will result in a squatter with deeper pockets.
- everdev 8y agoThe example domains linked to in the announcement are all down for me: https://get.dev/ https://get.dev/ https://github.dev/ https://github.dev/ https://grow.dev/ https://grow.dev/ https://accessibility.dev/ https://accessibility.dev/ https://slack.dev/ https://slack.dev/ etc.
- hartator 8y ago.dev meh. I would dig an .api tld.
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- diek00 8y agoI checked out a few, the prices are excessive imo, $11,011.00
- bloopernova 8y agoNo one has got "null.dev". I'm disappointed.
- CydeWeys 8y agoI suspect it'll go soon, if not at the very top price tier.
- lurker213 8y agowhere is the men.dev domain? I see there is a women.dev...
- john88 8y agoWhat happens if there is a conflict between companies that have submitted a trademark of a generic term to the Trademark Clearinghouse? (two companies that have a trademark of the same generic name, but on a different field for example) How is this settled?
- malinens 8y agoThis sucks. We used .dev domain internally in dev/testing environments and one day we were forced to switch domains because google bought it
- dewey 8y agoThat's your fault for using something that's a valid domain and not a reserved one for exactly that use case decided on 20 years ago: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606 .test, .example, .invalid, .localhost