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The box has made browsing using TOR insufferable! It fusses and makes me click storefronts and traffic lights until I run out of patience and close out of whate
by djflutt3rshy 8y ago
The box has made browsing using TOR insufferable! It fusses and makes me click storefronts and traffic lights until I run out of patience and close out of whatever webpage I was trying to visit. I assume it has to do with a lack of Google cookies on the browser, essentially punishing me for trying to protect my privacy.
- modzu 8y agoget this. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/buster-captcha-solver/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/buster-captch...
- superkuh 8y agoI guess Mozilla hasn't noticed that one yet. They've been removing captcha bypassing add-ons from their site. And because all Firefox versions that aren't buggy require add-ons to be signed by Moz it makes distributing them through other channels rather tedious.
- modzu 8y agowhat moz should really be doing is removing captchas from websites, not the captcha-bypass add-ons ;)
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- teilo 8y agoThose images are infuriating! Click all boxes with traffic lights. Ok, well, this one box just barely contains the bottom right corner of the traffic light. Click. Nope, that little corner didn't count. Try again. Ok, well on this one, the right side of the traffic light is only barely over the line, so I won't click it. Nope, that sliver of the light mattered this time. MF!
- jsgo 8y agothis on so many levels. Thankfully they'll eventually fall back to the "click the images of _object_ until there are no pictures left with a(n) _object_" in it, but those clicking block ones of a specific picture are super frustrating.
- SilasX 8y agoHeh, maybe one day they can show a bunch of pictures of sand, where each subsequent pic has a grain removed, with the instructions "click on all the heaps". Spambots will solve the Sorites paradox!
- roywiggins 8y ago"Click all the ships of Theseus"
- Legogris 8y ago"Is there no ship? Close the browser window."
- rolph 8y agoclick on each star that is currently visable out your window :-/
- menacingly 8y agoI assumed the infuriating ambiguity is intentional, in order to train some algorithm they need to know what the prevailing human correct judgement is in dicey situations
- jonas21 8y agoI don't think it's intentional -- it probably just emerges from the training process. I'm guessing they do something like load up a batch of images and once N people agree on one, record the answer and remove it from the rotation. You end up left with the ambiguous images where people couldn't agree.
- Kalium 8y agoThis might surprise you, but it actually has to do with what traffic coming out of TOR looks like. Well in excess of 90% of traffic coming out of TOR is spam, bots, malicious, or some combination! Google isn't going out of their way to punish you for trying to protect your privacy. They're trying to stop unwanted traffic. By unfortunate happenstance, you appear to be disguising yourself in the exact same way a shocking amount of bad traffic is.
- sjwright 8y agoAs a webmaster I can confirm that I hard block all TOR traffic for this exact reason. 90% of this traffic is malicious robotic junk of some form. Also, I’m just not interested in the remaining 10% "legit" traffic from people who are aggressively paranoid about their privacy. Almost all of them ended up being dickheads who were using TOR to abuse other members of our community. To the people who think every website should treat TOR users with respect, please understand that you are intentionally making yourself indistinguishable from the mountain of robotic junk, abuse and human dickheads. It's not my fault that you have chosen to do this, and it's not my job to provide you with tools to prove you're not a dickhead.
- sjwright 8y agoTo the people voting me down, please understand that I am relaying factual information about my specific experience as webmaster of various large-ish regional websites. If you don't like the facts, voting them down won't change them. ...or maybe voting me down will change the facts. Yeah, that's totally going to work.
- xiphias2 8y agoThey could use a memory-hard hashing function, like ARGON2 for proof of work, it would make spamming much harder.
- Kalium 8y agoYou're absolutely right! It could even be integrated meaningfully into browsers to make it easier to work with. Something Cloudflare's Privacy Pass (https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001992652-Privacy-Pass https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/11500199265...) could work.
- xiphias2 8y agoThe worst thing is that Cloudfare is using ReCaptcha, and it's everywhere. The internet is broken at this point.
- kojackst 8y agoIt goes like this: "so you want to be anonymous and won't let us track every single thing you do? ok, then you'll help us train our AI so we can improve our self-driving cars and improve how Google Maps extracts information from Street View images"
- etiam 8y agoI always figured the main point was behavioral profiling on mouse and keystroke trajectories.
- Freak_NL 8y agoThey seem to keep adding categories though, which makes me suspect that it is all about ML training. Recently it's chimneys and bridges (although that one may be older). It's always annoying though.
- rtkwe 8y agoThe likely answer is a bit of both. They use the image tests because it's something that is still kind of hard to do for computers and then uses a small percentage of the boxes as unknown tests to improve some ML algorithm. Unfortunately as computer vision has gotten better they've had to make the challenges harder to the point where they're quite low quality and sometimes count very small features qualifying images. My least favorite is labeling 'cars' because it can be hard to tell if it wants to count cars way off in the distance through the adversarial noise they add to the images.
- notriddle 8y agoThe bot-vs-human is distinguished by profiling mouse and keystroke patterns. The image classifications that you do, however, are used to train the computer vision system.
- michaelmrose 8y agoHave you considered an out of country vpn? The privacy protection may be similar for most common browsing.
- bluedino 8y agoToo bad more and more services block VPN’s.
- mtgx 8y agoIt's insufferable even without using Tor. And it only gets more insufferable every few months, it seems.
- buboard 8y agoWell OK, for Tor it is understandable. But I got the same every time i launched GTA V
- BoorishBears 8y agoThat’s because Rockstar had/has a huge problem with stolen accounts from bots using wordlists to brute force passwords. The difficulty is probably cranked all the way up
- gsich 8y agohttps://github.com/dessant/buster https://github.com/dessant/buster A very good addon against the shit from Cloudflare and Google.
- gcb0 8y agothat's good. tor traffic should not leak on the open web. that just diminish tor network and cause headaches to node operators. if you care about all that, run a node without internet exit, and also strive to make your sites available on tor (hate the "hidden service" nomenclature)
- dtrailin 8y agoI get the feeling that 90% of the check is if you are signed into a Google account, otherwise you're going to click some images. I've noticed this a lot of incognito mode where I will almost always have to do a captcha.
- akvadrako 8y agoI don't think so. When I was traveling in Malaysia a few months ago I was always signed into my Google account, but constantly needed to fill in captchas and even got suspended from Google Scholar for a few hours for "suspicious traffic".
- sjwright 8y ago> punishing me for trying to protect my privacy. TOR doesn't protect your privacy, it just lumps you in with—and makes you indistinguishable from—the worst crap on the internet. If you don't want to be treated like crap, don't try to blend in with the crap.
- x100xx 8y agoThis is frankly an idiotic statement. Many people use Tor out of principle, not because of their desire to "blend in with the crap".
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