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7% of respondents do "software testing / writing automated tests" as a hobby? Bravo to those hardy souls.

pc86 8y ago
A healthy chunk of that is probably folks who work somewhere where you can't/don't have time to write tests, and keep up with it on their own so they are current when job searching.
- stult 8y ago
  Or to scratch their "do it right" urge, to have a repo that they can show potential employers, to learn TDD, to learn a new language they can't use at work but hope to use professionally at some point, to have a repo that they can eventually turn into something revenue generating, or because they contribute to open source projects that require it. I've written tests on personal projects for all of those reasons at one point or another (except the last).
  - pc86 8y ago
    Agreed, I certainly didn't want to learn TDD by doing TDD at work (and potentially torpedo my own efficiency) so I did it on contrived side projects.
- folkrav 8y ago
  raises hand My current workload is mostly a bunch of data-collect scripts (hitting APIs, building a CSV, loading that to cloud storage and databases), plus prototyping small web apps for internal limited span projects. Testing doesn't make much sense for our current tasks, but I also really don't want to be left in the dust.
  - AtHeartEngineer 8y ago
    I need to start doing this. Any recommendations on where to start? I'd consider myself a pretty experienced python developer, that has not only not done unit testing, but have actively avoided it. On the web side, any generators that create unit tests I normally delete...I know it's terrible.
    - tadufre 8y ago
      Don't drink the kool-aid.
      - yyyymmddhhmmss 8y ago
        I’ll second that. I owe a great amount to those willing to publicly denounce TDD. If I had been a working developer as this nonsense ramped up, I would have avoided it too. Nobody really does TDD. It’s a mythical concept. Some sanity checks are fine, and some integration tests. Unit tests are often a pit of time waste, depending on the unit. I aim for my unit tests to look like integration tests.
        smittywerben 8y ago
        > Nobody really does TDD. It’s a mythical concept. That is 100% not true it is far from a "mythical concept" and you should not be misguiding devs. Where do you think your testing suite is from? You might even be using their code who knows.
  - PopeDotNinja 8y ago
    If there's any consistency to your work, you can always write sanity check "tests". My friend works in a Python shop, and for a lot of their infrastructure work, they'll write stuff like "assert that the database has between at least 20_000 records" in it. Many of there tests were reactions to little things that went wrong at some point in the past, but he's said it really helped improve the quality of their stuff over time!
dharmab 8y ago
Seems like a great way to contribute to open source as a beginner to intermediate developer.
- kalefranz 8y ago
  Adding additional test coverage and fixing bugs are the best ways to learn a new code base.
alexanderdmitri 8y ago
One of my side projects that's also work related but also done on my own time is a cli-focused wrapper around the aws boto3 library. I ended up writing my own test library once it reached that point where, well you want tests before every commit ... I'd hardly call it "hobby" testing though.
thomascgalvin 8y ago
> 7% of respondents do "software testing / writing automated tests" as a hobby? Bravo to those hardy souls. All of my hobby code is unit tested. Writing code is easier with unit tests ... why would I make things harder on myself just because I'm doing it on the weekend?
takeda 8y ago
I thought it was, because the question had two answers: professionally or hobby

pc86 8y ago

A healthy chunk of that is probably folks who work somewhere where you can't/don't have time to write tests, and keep up with it on their own so they are current when job searching.

stult 8y ago
Or to scratch their "do it right" urge, to have a repo that they can show potential employers, to learn TDD, to learn a new language they can't use at work but hope to use professionally at some point, to have a repo that they can eventually turn into something revenue generating, or because they contribute to open source projects that require it. I've written tests on personal projects for all of those reasons at one point or another (except the last).
- pc86 8y ago
  Agreed, I certainly didn't want to learn TDD by doing TDD at work (and potentially torpedo my own efficiency) so I did it on contrived side projects.
folkrav 8y ago
raises hand My current workload is mostly a bunch of data-collect scripts (hitting APIs, building a CSV, loading that to cloud storage and databases), plus prototyping small web apps for internal limited span projects. Testing doesn't make much sense for our current tasks, but I also really don't want to be left in the dust.
- AtHeartEngineer 8y ago
  I need to start doing this. Any recommendations on where to start? I'd consider myself a pretty experienced python developer, that has not only not done unit testing, but have actively avoided it. On the web side, any generators that create unit tests I normally delete...I know it's terrible.
  - tadufre 8y ago
    Don't drink the kool-aid.
    - yyyymmddhhmmss 8y ago
      I’ll second that. I owe a great amount to those willing to publicly denounce TDD. If I had been a working developer as this nonsense ramped up, I would have avoided it too. Nobody really does TDD. It’s a mythical concept. Some sanity checks are fine, and some integration tests. Unit tests are often a pit of time waste, depending on the unit. I aim for my unit tests to look like integration tests.
      - smittywerben 8y ago
        > Nobody really does TDD. It’s a mythical concept. That is 100% not true it is far from a "mythical concept" and you should not be misguiding devs. Where do you think your testing suite is from? You might even be using their code who knows.
- PopeDotNinja 8y ago
  If there's any consistency to your work, you can always write sanity check "tests". My friend works in a Python shop, and for a lot of their infrastructure work, they'll write stuff like "assert that the database has between at least 20_000 records" in it. Many of there tests were reactions to little things that went wrong at some point in the past, but he's said it really helped improve the quality of their stuff over time!

dharmab 8y ago

Seems like a great way to contribute to open source as a beginner to intermediate developer.

kalefranz 8y ago
Adding additional test coverage and fixing bugs are the best ways to learn a new code base.

alexanderdmitri 8y ago

One of my side projects that's also work related but also done on my own time is a cli-focused wrapper around the aws boto3 library. I ended up writing my own test library once it reached that point where, well you want tests before every commit ... I'd hardly call it "hobby" testing though.

thomascgalvin 8y ago

> 7% of respondents do "software testing / writing automated tests" as a hobby? Bravo to those hardy souls. All of my hobby code is unit tested. Writing code is easier with unit tests ... why would I make things harder on myself just because I'm doing it on the weekend?

takeda 8y ago

I thought it was, because the question had two answers: professionally or hobby