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Yes, this is the optimal measured response from Apple. They're treating Facebook the way they'd treat any other company that did this. It's also a step up from

by epaga 8y ago

Yes, this is the optimal measured response from Apple. They're treating Facebook the way they'd treat any other company that did this. It's also a step up from the warning they gave with the whole Onovo thing. Strike two...

hn_throwaway_99 8y ago
To be clear, this app that was just removed WAS just a reskinned Onavo app - same code and "ONV" class prefixes, etc.: https://twitter.com/chronic/status/1090394419902197761 https://twitter.com/chronic/status/1090394419902197761 Facebook got caught, and then they tried to use their enterprise cert to get around App Store review because they knew it would get rejected.
- edraferi 8y ago
  Pathetic.
- dabockster 8y ago
  I give it a week until Facebook starts using some sort of exploit to get Onavo onto iPhones. Probably guessing it will be a Safari exploit based on past history. That's when the real fireworks will begin.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    Please elaborate on this.
- jug 8y ago
  Business Insider has a leaked memo and internal discussions and even many Facebook employees agree this was stupid and shooting themselves in their foot. I quote “When will we learn?”
  - abricot 8y ago
    Link: https://www.businessinsider.in/leaked-memo-facebook-scrambling-to-do-damage-control-with-pissed-employees-after-apple-blocks-its-internal-apps/articleshow/67764301.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/leaked-memo-facebook-scrambli...
ianamartin 8y ago
It's really not how Apple would treat any other company. Any other company would get banned from the app store permanently. I do agree that this is measured. The question is how long, if ever, before Apple grants them a new cert. If Apple lets them back into the Enterprise Developer Program, this is a few days of inconvenience. If they keep them out, this effectively kills their apps on the iOS app store because FB can't effectively work on the apps internally.
- solarkraft 8y ago
  I do hope they'll let them suffer for a few days.
  - magduf 8y ago
    I hope they'll drag it on indefinitely, and maybe the two will have a giant war of sorts. This is one of those cases where I don't like either side, so I'm happy to see them having a destructive fight.
  - jug 8y ago
    I hope they get an automated reply where they can apply for a new certificate and await approval. Then being put in some queue for a month.
- Illniyar 8y ago
  It does not preclude test flight or just installing it through a developer machine. The vast majority of app developers don't use an enterprise account to test beta releases.
  - erobbins 8y ago
    Facebook's development process for iOS (and android) is dependent on having most/all employees dogfood beta releases and report bugs that can be ignored. This breaks that pretty badly, and now users in the wild will have to report bugs before they can be ignored.

by epaga 8y ago

hn_throwaway_99 8y ago

To be clear, this app that was just removed WAS just a reskinned Onavo app - same code and "ONV" class prefixes, etc.: https://twitter.com/chronic/status/1090394419902197761 https://twitter.com/chronic/status/1090394419902197761 Facebook got caught, and then they tried to use their enterprise cert to get around App Store review because they knew it would get rejected.

edraferi 8y ago
Pathetic.
dabockster 8y ago
I give it a week until Facebook starts using some sort of exploit to get Onavo onto iPhones. Probably guessing it will be a Safari exploit based on past history. That's when the real fireworks will begin.
- acct1771 8y ago
  Please elaborate on this.
jug 8y ago
Business Insider has a leaked memo and internal discussions and even many Facebook employees agree this was stupid and shooting themselves in their foot. I quote “When will we learn?”
- abricot 8y ago
  Link: https://www.businessinsider.in/leaked-memo-facebook-scrambling-to-do-damage-control-with-pissed-employees-after-apple-blocks-its-internal-apps/articleshow/67764301.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/leaked-memo-facebook-scrambli...

ianamartin 8y ago

It's really not how Apple would treat any other company. Any other company would get banned from the app store permanently. I do agree that this is measured. The question is how long, if ever, before Apple grants them a new cert. If Apple lets them back into the Enterprise Developer Program, this is a few days of inconvenience. If they keep them out, this effectively kills their apps on the iOS app store because FB can't effectively work on the apps internally.

solarkraft 8y ago
I do hope they'll let them suffer for a few days.
- magduf 8y ago
  I hope they'll drag it on indefinitely, and maybe the two will have a giant war of sorts. This is one of those cases where I don't like either side, so I'm happy to see them having a destructive fight.
- jug 8y ago
  I hope they get an automated reply where they can apply for a new certificate and await approval. Then being put in some queue for a month.
Illniyar 8y ago
It does not preclude test flight or just installing it through a developer machine. The vast majority of app developers don't use an enterprise account to test beta releases.
- erobbins 8y ago
  Facebook's development process for iOS (and android) is dependent on having most/all employees dogfood beta releases and report bugs that can be ignored. This breaks that pretty badly, and now users in the wild will have to report bugs before they can be ignored.