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Wine 4.0 released
- pgnas 8y agoFantastic ! At this point, there is very little reason for federal, state and local government to be saddled with millions in license costs
- jussij 8y agoA decade ago one major local government agency did in fact move away from Windows in the hope of avoiding those costly license fees. They found out it can also be quite costly to run Linux as an alternative: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ditching-windows-for-linux-led-to-major-difficulties-says-open-source-champion-munich/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ditching-windows-for-li...
- commoner 8y agoLet's be more specific. Microsoft didn't like the fact that Munich switched to Linux, so they moved their headquarters to Munich to gain political clout, ushered in a more favorable mayor, and then hired Accenture to release a report claiming that Windows would be more cost-effective. It worked. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-in-munich-no-compelling-technical-reason-to-return-to-windows-says-citys-it-chief/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-in-munich-no-comp...
- sazfedjhrgnukc 8y agoTurns out, using something other than Windows doesn't equate to using something that requires no support. And support is not free.
- jussij 8y agoIrrespective of what system is in place there will always be support/training/running costs associated with managing a big IT system.
- kevindqc 8y agoBut they said their problem was that they also needed Windows machines to run line-of-business apps and that it wasn't cost effective, something that Wine is supposed to help with (running Windows apps in Linux).
- xvilka 8y agoMost likely there were just bribed by one unnamed company, or promised some investments - the time correlates with expanding their office in Munich. So I would not trust Munich's claims at all. Despite recent whitewashing of Microsoft image they were never practicing a fair business.
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- the_duke 8y agoIf you read some more about the issue, it becomes clear that after an election, the conservative party with long-term ties to Microsoft was happy to reverse the decision.
- zozbot123 8y agoThe "game support" they're talking about is not what you're probably thinking of - Wine has been able to run Solitaire and Minesweeper for quite a while already.
- pgnas 8y agoTrue. I admit. I was just looking for an an inroad, thanks for calling me out :)
- jononor 8y agoFunny how Wine has implemented Windows APIs on top of Linux (and Mac), and Microsoft has implemented Linux APIs on top of Windows.
- theandrewbailey 8y agoIf Microsoft wanted to be clever, they would have called their thing Line.
- RachelF 8y agoMicrosoft bought the term "Lindows" in 2004 for around $20 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Lindows.com,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Lindows.com....
- devereaux 8y agoIn retrospect, prescient and especially useful when they will release their own Linux distribution. I'd bet on them forking or outright buying Ubuntu.
- cmsimike 8y agoI've always preferred mslinux http://www.mslinux.org/ http://www.mslinux.org/
- giancarlostoro 8y ago> Microsoft Invades Cuba > Microsoft's plan to invade cuba and overthrow the government has succeeded. One Microsoft official said "It's a win-win situation. The US Government is happy and shuts up the DOJ while Microsoft institutes a monopoly within Cuba for everything from computer software to toilet paper. One more step closer to world domination. Heck, we could feed a whole development department for the cost of one developer's salary in the US. They may not know how to create an Operating System very well, but neither do our US developers." Oh my. I wasn't sure what I was looking at and then I read that to the right of the link.
- lostgame 8y agoIt didn’t have game controller support before? I’m surprised and seem to recall game controllers working before.
- snvzz 8y agoIt had the support, from /dev/input/js? or /dev/input/event?. Now it also supports leveraging libsdl's joystick support.
- aboutruby 8y agoSome major games seems to not be working because of the anti-cheat system: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41670 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41670 (PUBG, Fortnite, etc.)
- rubberduckyman 8y agoThat stinks. Considering how well Fortnite is doing, I am a bit surprised that they haven't made a Linux version. IDK how much it would cost to make a Linux version, but I would think the amount of money from microtransactions they would be getting would make up for it
- Raymonf 8y agoIt must have to do with the lack of profitability, especially after developing an anti-cheat solution. I'm not 100% certain if EasyAntiCheat supports Wine at all, or even Linux at all, but that's what they (Epic Games) use. If not, they'd have to write an in-house solution that probably won't work. In the past (again, I'm not sure about the present), CS:GO was victim to having a Linux client; rather, people figured out that it was much more vulnerable to exploits due to it not having a working anti-cheat solution.
- raptorfactor 8y agoEasyAntiCheat and BattlEye rely on kernel drivers, which WINE has no support for.
- Nullabillity 8y ago> I'm not 100% certain if EasyAntiCheat supports Wine at all, or even Linux at all, but that's what they (Epic Games) use. It does. EAC detects Wine, and can load a Wine version if the developers enable it. There have also been a few cases where they enabled it upon player requests (without dev involvement).
- bepvte 8y agoOne of the leads of fortnite has made a disappointing anti linux tweet recently in my memory.
- jenscow 8y agoI remember first trying Wine - I actually installed (well, compiled) XFree86 just to try it - I was proper cli-only in those days. After a long weekend of compiling, I was finally able to run a very slow instance of mIRC - for less than a minute, then it crashed. I was amazed. 2 decades later, my Wife + kids are now able to enjoy The Sims 4 and SimCity on their Linux machines, thanks to the hard work of the Wine team! And with the additional work of Crossover, Word & Excel too. These four non-trivial applications, built without any portability in mind, work flawlessly.
- shmerl 8y agoWine has progressed quite a lot in the last year. Paired with dxvk especially, many quite demanding Windows games became completely playable on Linux. The next big missing thing now is Wayland support (though it already works through XWayland).
- sevensor 8y agoHaving used Wine for a lot of late '90s / early '00s Windows games, I think Win32-on-Wine is possibly the best, most stable game platform in history. Modern laptops run games of this era without breaking a sweat, publishers couldn't assume users had the bandwidth to patch everything after release, so there's a playable game right there on the CD. Many CD-ROM games didn't bother with copy protection (after all, who would copy a whole CD full of data?), so you can play straight from an iso.
- grawprog 8y ago>Many CD-ROM games didn't bother with copy protection (after all, who would copy a whole CD full of data?), so you can play straight from an iso. Please insert correct disc into the cd drive. Please enter your cd-key. Please type the third word from line 42 on page 13 of the manual.
- bitwize 8y agoJust Press Enter ~ CRACKED BY HeXPHReAK ~
- grawprog 8y agoWarning multiple threats detected on file keygen.exe Quarantine or ignore Meh...it's probably fine.
- acct1771 8y agoDoesn't sound like a private enough community to me.
- skocznymroczny 8y agoI was super surprised my university pirated PuTTY. I knew it because I saw the "PuTTY keygen" app on the desktop. Only years later I realized it's an app for generating ssh keys...
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- voycey 8y agoWait - Wine is available on Android? I use Wine for a few things - would be great to have those apps on my Android device!
- steve19 8y agoLast time I checked it worked for Android on x86, since wine is not an emulator. I do recall there being some experiments with wine running on arm via. A x86 emulator.
- farmerbb 8y agoThere's ExaGear, which is basically Wine with an x86-to-ARM translation layer running underneath. Note that the app is quite pricey at $30. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eltechs.ed https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eltechs.ed
- biggestdecision 8y agoWine Is Not an Emulator - but to run x86 Windows applications on an ARM Android device with Wine you will need to use emulation. Wine is essentially just a userspace implementation of the Windows API. Outside of API functions & syscalls, the actual instructions of the application are still running on bare metal.
- techrat 8y agoIt's available on Android but still pretty broken. You can CD to your SD Card but not list the directory content. You can run executables but dependencies are an issue if you don't know which ones you need to have installed in advance. I bought an x86 Android Notebook/Tablet with the purpose of hoping to be able to run some old Win32 games within Wine on Android and nothing worked. As one of my buddies said about a laptop I had issues with getting hardware recognized correctly in Linux: Put it in the drawer for 6 months and hope it's fixed by then.
- mushufasa 8y agoWINE is so great. I wish there were a more user-friendly way for people to use it, without the command-line and winetricks. I use wine on macOS, but I usually hesitate before diving in, because I know it inevitably involves some gymnastics. Even with Wineskin Winery (which is no longer maintained?). Will WINE ever be at a point where it would be stable enough to make the case for non-technical users? Another comment joked about public offices -- would it be absurd to think offices could run linux instead of windows, saving licensing costs, using WINE where legacy software is necessary? I would have started using WINE even earlier if the documentation were more approachable. I think they've improved over the last few years, though the site still looks like an antique forum system rather than cutting-edge tech + design, like you would see from a startup's website.
- biggestdecision 8y agoValve has been doing a lot of work here lately, they've essentially made Wine into a first party citizen of Steam (in the form of Proton). So Wine is stable & easy enough for non-tech users - at least for gaming purposes. But there isn't the equivalent for general software yet.
- xbmcuser 8y agoThey just opened proton to non steam software in the latest beta. And from what people have been posting it works with a lot of windows applications.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoThat said, I was attempting to run a Proton game a few weeks back and it kept failing silently. Running from the terminal revealed a missing dependency, which I apt-getted and now it works fine. So while I agree that Proton is fantastic, there's still some work to be done in making it more friendly for "non-tech" users.
- JetSetWilly 8y agoIs it not the case that if you use the steam runtime then libraries should be there? Ultimately valve are targeting steamOS not linux as a whole. Some linux distros (eg arch) have a package that bundles the steam runtime which should make such issues go away.
- ww520 8y agoIs there any way to run Wine on 64-bit MacOS? Wine seems to be stuck on 32-bit.
- shmerl 8y agoWine supports 64-bit for years. https://wiki.winehq.org/AMD64 https://wiki.winehq.org/AMD64 https://wiki.winehq.org/Building_Wine#Shared_WoW64 https://wiki.winehq.org/Building_Wine#Shared_WoW64
- ww520 8y agoWhen I ran 'port install wine,' I got the "error wine cannot be installed for the configured build_arch 'x86_64' because it only supports the arch(s) 'i386'."
- shmerl 8y agoI guess whatever is your source, they didn't build 64-bit one. So you can ask those who maintains that repo. It clearly should be buildable for 64-bit. See: https://wiki.winehq.org/MacOS https://wiki.winehq.org/MacOS https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/macosx/download.html https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/macosx/download.html
- nottorp 8y agoTheir installer says "64 bit support (optional)". It's not selected by default.
- amdavidson 8y agotry `brew install wine` https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/wine https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/wine
- 0xcde4c3db 8y agoI'm no MacPorts guru, but it looks to me like the package doesn't support building the mixed-arch version (which is a practical requirement for 64-bit Wine, although it's technically possible to build a pure 64-bit version) on newer versions of MacOS (I'm not sure what marketing version "18" corresponds to). Maybe this is related to 32-bit support being deprecated in Mojave? if {${build_arch} eq "x86_64" && ${os.major} < 18} { default_variants +universal } if {[variant_isset universal]} { supported_archs i386 x86_64 } else { supported_archs i386 }
- rixrax 8y agoFind how your favorite apps do - link to Wine application support db: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=5839 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... I'd like to really Thank Wine developers! Because of your efforts pretty much only time I need to use Windows desktop is when I need Adobe Lightroom CC and Premere Pro and it looks like v4 is improving on that as well.
- maheart 8y agoI've been a fulltime Linux user for 15+ years, and up until last year I avoided using Wine (because I didn't require it -- I didn't need any Windows tools, and I wasn't a gamer). On my last holiday break I wanted to install and play a few games, which included using Wine to play Windows games. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it worked. Out of the ~10 games from GOG that I installed, all of them worked. Great work.
- navinsylvester 8y agoI think Wine and Samba played a pivotal role in Linux adoption to those who are in someway tied to Windows land. Of all the memories with Wine, the best one is still how Red Alert 2 worked flawlessly.
- ttoinou 8y agoAnyone using Wine to run Adobe softwares (Photoshop, PPro, AEfx...)?
- acct1771 8y agoMany.
- simlevesque 8y agoPhotoshop works great with it. I used it for years before switching to Gimp.
- bufferoverflow 8y agoSo you only experienced the old Photoshop under Wine. I hear the latest Photoshop CC doesn't work well under Wine.
- evolve2k 8y agoOh I heard that was specifically one of the big steps forward in was it Wine 3. Keen to know if anyone’s experiences with Adobe CC products.
- pbhjpbhj 8y agoDid you check the db at WINEhq.com, IIRC it used to work really well but is problematic now.
- simlevesque 8y agoNo I used CC. Maybe not the latest CC since it's always updating but in like 2017 I was using CC on Linux.
- platz 8y agoI was pretty happy when I found out Lead Pursuit Falcon 4.0 Allied Force works perfectly on wine
- rurban 8y agoAm I the only one testing software libraries cross-compiled to windows on wine? I do use Appveyor native, but for debugging tricky issues I rather use wine on Linux or macOS, than spinning up a Windows VM and try to debug it there. I just have to maintain seperate win32 and win64 registries and ENV vars.
- vbarrielle 8y agoI'm very curious of your setup. Do you use wine to cross-compile your windows binaries?
- rurban 8y agoNo, just to test the mingw compiled libraries. The old tea.org CI was doing it similar. setups: https://github.com/LibreDWG/libredwg/blob/master/build-aux/smoke.sh https://github.com/LibreDWG/libredwg/blob/master/build-aux/s... https://github.com/rurban/safeclib/blob/master/build-tools/smoke.sh#L254 https://github.com/rurban/safeclib/blob/master/build-tools/s...
- djaychela 8y agoBack in the day, I dreamt of being able to run Cubase on Wine, and not have to deal with Windows at all, but I remember being told (this was maybe 2002?) by someone who claimed to have the inside line that there was the possibility that Cubase would run on Linux 'soon', natively. That became less of an issue when Windows 7 came along as it worked so well, but now I know the next hardware revision of my studio PC will probably need to run Windows 10 (which I detest using), I'm looking misty-eyed at it again. But I know that Cubase is immensely demanding, and no doubt uses lots of odd Windows APIs that Wine doesn't cover (or cover fully), so that's just a pipe dream which gets awoken every time I see a new release of Wine come along and I somewhat foolishly check the app database only to find the last versions to test were years ago and were 'garbage'!
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoI'm sure you have your reasons (no pun intended) but given all you've said here I'm curious as to why your studio PC isn't a Mac? I've done a bit of recording with bands and have never come across anyone running a recording studio on Windows. FWIW I'm a Linux user too and as a musician I would love Steinberg et al to pull their fingers out so I can have a dabble in that world. We can but dream.
- Nullabillity 8y agoHave you tried Ardour? I'm definitely just an amateur, but it has worked fine for my needs (coming from Cubase LE).
- reidrac 8y agoI'm Debian user and I usually install the packages, and the shipped version of the software is just fine for me. Occasionally I may want to use the newest version of a particular application and I've found that instead of installing dependencies and compiling myself the Linux version, it is way easier to download the Windows binaries and run them with WINE. In some cases, it even works better! (e.g. full screen support)
- ferrolho 8y agoWhy is this not working even though the new binaries are already available at https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/ https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/cosmic/? ``` $ sudo apt update $ apt-cache policy winehq-stable winehq-stable: Installed: (none) Candidate: 3.0.4~cosmic Version table: 3.0.4~cosmic 500 500 https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu cosmic/main amd64 Packages ```
- skrowl 8y agoI'm looking forward to getting 3d acceleration in ChromeOS this year so I can try stuff like this (albeit without audio for now).