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The problem you describe is mostly because of hardware. And you didn't switch to OSX, you switched them to Apple hardware with Apple software, not an OS switch.

• hutzlibu 8y ago
  "The problem you describe is mostly because of hardware." Which does not change the fact that they are still problems - no matter how unfair it is and how little the Linux-Community is to blame for it. I used Linux on many different machines - and sadly I can confirm lots of problems with hardware. Standby/Resume, etc.
  • thomastjeffery 8y ago
    The point here is that the solution is simply to get better hardware, which is much less expensive outside the Apple ecosystem.
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    • city41 8y ago
      In my experience the same hardware when ran under Windows does not have these issues. EDIT: also just want to say I'm not anti-Linux, I'm just being realistic. I understand Linux's history and how it has some disadvantages (and advantages). I'm just saying at the end of the day, my interest is a reliable machine, regardless of how I get there.
      • snazz 8y ago
        This is usually true until there’s a big Windows version upgrade (7 to 10, for example), and the manufacturer and/or the component OEMs decide to stop supporting their stuff with drivers.
      • boudin 8y ago
        It really depends. Hardware with support in kernel does work really well. I have less issue with my AMD graphic card on Linux than I had in Windows (random blue screen, gpu resets, a random driver version that will just not work). Granted, the quality really improved past years. My work laptop is also much more stable. On windows 10, the intel driver will always blue screen when i had no more ram left. I never had one crash on Fedora. It does require to look at hardware support first, but that's the same way than checking hardware quality before buying. I always buy things that meet my requirements, on computer hardware, one is Linux support, I don't see this as an issue.
      • int_19h 8y ago
        Of course, since that hardware is tested under Windows. OPs point is that if you're comparing Linux to macOS, you need to also compare the hardware accordingly - just as you buy a Mac to run macOS on, you need to buy hardware that's guaranteed to work well with Linux. And such Linux hardware is still going to cost less than a MacBook or a Mac Mini.
        • pjmlp 8y ago
          I bought an Asus 1215B, sold with Ubuntu, a couple of years ago. WiFi working has always been ups and downs, specially bad at the beggining when Canonical decided to exchange the closed source driver by an open source one, even thought it wasn't feature complete. I had to spend 3 months using LAN cable until the drive was actually working. The Radeon on the Brazos APU is a DirectX 11 class GPU, but after AMD dropped fxglr, I lost video hardware acceleration, and the OpenGL feature level has been droped to a lower version. So much for buying a laptop with Linux support out of the box.
  • bigbugbag 8y ago
    Try running OSX on the same hardware and see how well it works of if you encounter problems too. I experienced some standby/resume issues a few times along my years with linux, sometimes the fix was simply to upgrade/downgrade the kernel, sometimes using a different distro did the trick, sometimes it was a matter of configuring things correctly and sadly sometimes the hardware manufacturer was hostile to linux.
  • behringer 8y ago
    Try running macos on PC hardware and you'll feel the true pain of incompatibility. Buy hardware supported by your OS of choice. You dont buy an arm computer and expect to run windows. You shouldn't buy a PC for Windows and expect it to function perfectly for Linux.
    • Wintereise 8y ago
      That's not the point, though. The competitor (Windows) mostly has none of these problems, and that's pretty much what matters EOD. If you cannot expect a generic PC to run Linux, `$currentYear is the year of the Linux Desktop` will continue to be little more than hyperbole. That's a big problem if we're looking for widespread adoption.
      • Dylan16807 8y ago
        > That's not the point, though. The competitor (Windows) mostly has none of these problems, and that's pretty much what matters EOD. But the story ends with OS X.
      • imtringued 8y ago
        >The competitor (Windows) mostly has none of these problems, Windows tends to self destruct via forced updates over time. So far I have not had a single windows installation that didn't require a reinstall after a certain amount of time has passed. The type of failure is different but it's significantly worse. This is coming from someone who uses Arch Linux, a bleeding edge distro that isn't known for it's stability (well it's pretty stable so far).
        • Wintereise 8y ago
          Absolutely true, if not maintained. The only reason this isn't the case in Linux/MacOS most likely is simply due to the lack of crapware targeting these platforms though (because the reward profile significantly favors targeting Windows more). You can see this in action with Android vs iOS too (no flamewar here folks). Android tends to get bogged down quite easily if active maintenance isn't done due to the proliferation of nefarious background workers.
• city41 8y ago
  Sure, but that hardware advantage is something Apple should be able to take advantage of, they worked hard to get it. And I take advantage of it as well. At the end of the day, I just care about my needing to do support and that a computer generally works. I run Ubuntu on a 2015 and 2017 Lenovo ThinkPad (T450 and T470s) and a desktop I built myself. Interestingly it runs the best on my custom desktop. I use Ubuntu due to i3. The advantages a solid tiling window manager give me outweigh the drawbacks. But if OSX had a tiling window manager on par with i3 I'd drop Ubuntu in a heartbeat. EDIT: and just to add, when I run Windows on these machines I don't have any of these problems: suspend works, USB and wifi work, etc. In my experience Windows's main problem is that it still crashes pretty regularly.
  • bigbugbag 8y ago
    your problem here is not linux, your problem is probably ubuntu and lenovo. ubuntu is notoriously buggy and lenovo thinkpads are more and more hostile to linux since 5-6 years. Try something like manjaro instead of ubuntu and see if you still experience the same issues.
    • city41 8y ago
      That's totally fair. It's on my todo list to try some other distros. I will probably try Debian first. I chose Ubuntu due to it being so popular and also because my company's IT supports it. But if other distros are more reliable then that's fantastic.
      • tlavoie 8y ago
        Mint on my Lenovo P51 has been brilliant. There were basically zero issues to get everything working like sound, sleep/resume and network (common sticky spots). Being a ThinkPad, there were also some utilities to do more specific things like power management to only charge to 80%; mine's usually plugged in, this is supposed to help battery life. I can still dual-boot to the Win10 it came with, but it's been a month or two between typically.
    • vetinari 8y ago
• ddebernardy 8y ago
  > The problem you describe is mostly because of hardware. No, that would be a software problem; as in driver-related. And as others noted, it's still a problem either way.
  • AsyncAwait 8y ago
    I think the point is that if you buy Apple hardware, of course macOS is going to run well, because you bought hardware specific to that, so do the same for Linux, buy Linux specific/well tested hardware instead of just any old crap, because you weouldn't do the same with macOS.
    • city41 8y ago
      It's a fair point. Especially now that you can get purpose built Linux laptops, even from Dell.
• tormeh 8y ago
  A fair comparison would probably be Mac/OSX vs System76/Pop_OS.