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Of course, why would the EU adopt any other strategy if their goal is to keep the EU together?

by buttcoinslol 8y ago

drilldrive 8y ago
Because their goal should be what is best for Europe, not what is best for the EU.
- Aeolun 8y ago
  Following that logic, don’t you think the UK is just a tad hypocritical? Brexit wasn’t ever any good for Europe. It was always only about the British.
  - drilldrive 8y ago
    Oh of course, Brexit in particular is for the British and the British alone. But perhaps if you seed similar movements to other EU partners then you could benefit Europe as a whole. That would follow the logic of the above post.
    - pas 8y ago
      > But perhaps if you seed similar movements to other EU partners then you could benefit Europe as a whole. How?
- Ngunyan 8y ago
  And why is that? What is good for EU is good for Europe.
- cplanas 8y ago
  Uh? What? As a citizen of the EU, I would be extremely disturbed if the EU cared much about non-EU countries. The EU should care as much about Russia and (soon) the UK as the USA cares about Canada and Mexico.
- midasz 8y ago
  > Because their goal should be what is best for Europe, not what is best for the EU. Why?
- newsgremlin 8y ago
  Those are not the same things. Each country still governs itself. The UK should work on that first.
  - rezeroed 8y ago
    "still"... for how long?
rdm_blackhole 8y ago
That's not the reason that the EU has made the process so difficult. They made it so difficult and so scary to warn the other states to not even try to think about an exit. How is that democratic? If the EU is so convinced that the only way is the EU way they should have made it easy for the UK to leave, then watch it as it burned to the ground and groveled to try to buy its way back into the EU then maybe the other states would have thought: Gee, it did not work for the EU but at least now we know and we won't try! Instead, the EU is trying to make an example of the Uk as a show of force to the other states. The EU is ruling with fear and acting like a bully! And that's forgetting the fact the EU leaders could have seen Brexit as a wake-up call and maybe changed the course of action and reform the EU from within to give people what they fucking promised when this thing was made in the first place: prosperity, safety, so on and so forth. Instead, they march forward with more integration, more federalism, more Europe, as if the nations don't count anymore. Free trade is the new God in town and it doesn't take prisoners. Lets forget the fact the economic growth for the EU is one of the weakest in the world for the last 15 years, that the youth unemployment rate is roughly 25% and that because the wages are so low due to the enormous amount of tax being paid by the companies and citizens, they have resorted to importing people from 3rd world countries in order to fill job vacancies that only exists because nobody can actually afford to work for such a low wage. A new age of slavery built on top of migrant workers. Ain't the EU pretty? God forbid you are against them! 30 years ago if you showed any sign of reservation towards unregulated capitalism you were labeled a communist and shamed by the major political parties, nowadays if you are against the EU, you are labeled as backward, illiterate and racist/fascist/populist. The words have changed, the technics are the same.
- antientropic 8y ago
  > They made it so difficult and so scary to warn the other states to not even try to think about an exit. How is it difficult? You trigger article 50 and in two years time you're out, no questions asked. Whether it's scary depends only on whether you're scared by the prospect of not having the advantages of membership anymore. If all the things you're saying about the EU are true, then leaving the EU should not be scary at all.
- rocgf 8y ago
imtringued 8y ago
Because they have other more important goals like not compromising their core values and undoing 50 years of history of the EU for the benefit of a single country that doesn't even care about the EU.

Of course, why would the EU adopt any other strategy if their goal is to keep the EU together?

drilldrive 8y ago

Because their goal should be what is best for Europe, not what is best for the EU.

Aeolun 8y ago
Following that logic, don’t you think the UK is just a tad hypocritical? Brexit wasn’t ever any good for Europe. It was always only about the British.
- drilldrive 8y ago
  Oh of course, Brexit in particular is for the British and the British alone. But perhaps if you seed similar movements to other EU partners then you could benefit Europe as a whole. That would follow the logic of the above post.
  - pas 8y ago
    > But perhaps if you seed similar movements to other EU partners then you could benefit Europe as a whole. How?
Ngunyan 8y ago
And why is that? What is good for EU is good for Europe.
cplanas 8y ago
Uh? What? As a citizen of the EU, I would be extremely disturbed if the EU cared much about non-EU countries. The EU should care as much about Russia and (soon) the UK as the USA cares about Canada and Mexico.
midasz 8y ago
> Because their goal should be what is best for Europe, not what is best for the EU. Why?
newsgremlin 8y ago
Those are not the same things. Each country still governs itself. The UK should work on that first.
- rezeroed 8y ago
  "still"... for how long?

rdm_blackhole 8y ago

That's not the reason that the EU has made the process so difficult. They made it so difficult and so scary to warn the other states to not even try to think about an exit. How is that democratic? If the EU is so convinced that the only way is the EU way they should have made it easy for the UK to leave, then watch it as it burned to the ground and groveled to try to buy its way back into the EU then maybe the other states would have thought: Gee, it did not work for the EU but at least now we know and we won't try! Instead, the EU is trying to make an example of the Uk as a show of force to the other states. The EU is ruling with fear and acting like a bully! And that's forgetting the fact the EU leaders could have seen Brexit as a wake-up call and maybe changed the course of action and reform the EU from within to give people what they fucking promised when this thing was made in the first place: prosperity, safety, so on and so forth. Instead, they march forward with more integration, more federalism, more Europe, as if the nations don't count anymore. Free trade is the new God in town and it doesn't take prisoners. Lets forget the fact the economic growth for the EU is one of the weakest in the world for the last 15 years, that the youth unemployment rate is roughly 25% and that because the wages are so low due to the enormous amount of tax being paid by the companies and citizens, they have resorted to importing people from 3rd world countries in order to fill job vacancies that only exists because nobody can actually afford to work for such a low wage. A new age of slavery built on top of migrant workers. Ain't the EU pretty? God forbid you are against them! 30 years ago if you showed any sign of reservation towards unregulated capitalism you were labeled a communist and shamed by the major political parties, nowadays if you are against the EU, you are labeled as backward, illiterate and racist/fascist/populist. The words have changed, the technics are the same.

antientropic 8y ago
> They made it so difficult and so scary to warn the other states to not even try to think about an exit. How is it difficult? You trigger article 50 and in two years time you're out, no questions asked. Whether it's scary depends only on whether you're scared by the prospect of not having the advantages of membership anymore. If all the things you're saying about the EU are true, then leaving the EU should not be scary at all.
rocgf 8y ago

imtringued 8y ago

Because they have other more important goals like not compromising their core values and undoing 50 years of history of the EU for the benefit of a single country that doesn't even care about the EU.