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> Take one of the offenders and publicly shit can him. I don't think this will happen because engineers are scarce, and everyone is to blame, kind of. One of

> Take one of the offenders and publicly shit can him. I don't think this will happen because engineers are scarce, and everyone is to blame, kind of. One of the worst offenders (who sent extremely aggressive e-mails to another team member, all trough personal accounts) left a few weeks ago of his own accord, so HR decided not to pursue him. Now that you mention it, that might have sent the wrong message.

insiderknowled 8y ago
It doesn't really matter that it's everyone's to blame. Just find the biggest offender who has pissed off everyone. Make an example out of him. Completely redicule him in front of others and even throw their belongings on the floor. Use most profane language, Steve Jobs style. Make sure you explain loudly why he is being treated like this and leaving the company. To make it clear, yell at him, "so you want to be a rebellious tech bro?" Be careful why doing this: 1. Make sure your example person is a man because people sympathise more with women 2. Make sure he looks unfriendly because people sympathise with friendly people. You want people to comply, be an authority who they fear.
- throwaway123322 8y ago
  This happened at our company too and really engineers do respond to this. When this happened to one guy on friday, next week on Monday everyone took ownership of their work and started organising better and collaboration shot up. And to the OP of this thread. No one here will tell you anything that works because that would be politically incorrect and receive backslash from the receivers od this treatment. On this forum, majority are engineers who don't know anything about management. So any pro management shit will be downvoted to oblivion by labour class engineers. You are at a wrong place asking for advice op! This forum only helps with job hoping/getting company to pay you more/ negotiating less work hours.
  - warent 8y ago
    Creating a second account to agree with yourself isn't going to make your point any more compelling.
  - vidro3 8y ago
    >When this happened to one guy on friday, next week on Monday everyone took ownership of their work and started organising better and collaboration shot up. yeah, they were all sending resumes out over the weekend
- EliRivers 8y ago
  This advice is so shockingly bad that I'm wondering if this is a deliberate spoof. This is the kind of management behaviour that erodes trust. Destroys teams. Stops people thinking about what's best for the company and has them thinking only about how to protect themselves. Team members turn on each other. Every bug becomes a blame game. The good people look for new jobs to move on to. People write anonymous blog posts about the company and how this manager had a screaming fit and trashed some guys desk while firing him; every potential customer googling the company reads it and watches the footage on youtube if someone was fast with their phone.
  - Aeolun 8y ago
    I think you have a slightly distorted view of how firing works in a well-adjusted company. If someone is slowly eroding the motivation of your other engineers, then you should get rid of them for both your sakes (they probably hate working there anyway).
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    - EliRivers 8y ago
      What you say about needing to fire some people seems a complete non-sequitur, as if I'd been advocating to never fire people; as if my "distorted view" is to never fire anyone. That is not my view.
      - Aeolun 8y ago
        > This advice is so shockingly bad that I'm wondering if this is a deliberate spoof. This is the kind of management behaviour that erodes trust. Then what is the behaviour you are talking about here? I must be missing something.
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- jdlshore 8y ago
  This is terrible advice, and abusive. It will bend your culture towards one of fear, blame, and finger-pointing. Presumably not what you want. If someone did this in front of me, I would immediately start privately advocating for their removal from the company.
- thrwwyngnr 8y ago
  OP here. Yeah, that's not gonna fly here at all.
  - Aeolun 8y ago
    Firing people? Or public shitcanning? Because I think the person above you is just talking about letting people go.
    - thrwwyngnr 8y ago
      > Firing people? Or public shitcanning? Publicly shitcanning. It's illegal here.
lojack 8y ago
While I don’t think you should fire someone just to set an example, the scarcity of developers is precisely why you should fire those who are negatively impacting the teams and are unwilling to change.
- thrwwyngnr 8y ago
  That's a very good point.

insiderknowled 8y ago

It doesn't really matter that it's everyone's to blame. Just find the biggest offender who has pissed off everyone. Make an example out of him. Completely redicule him in front of others and even throw their belongings on the floor. Use most profane language, Steve Jobs style. Make sure you explain loudly why he is being treated like this and leaving the company. To make it clear, yell at him, "so you want to be a rebellious tech bro?" Be careful why doing this: 1. Make sure your example person is a man because people sympathise more with women 2. Make sure he looks unfriendly because people sympathise with friendly people. You want people to comply, be an authority who they fear.

throwaway123322 8y ago
This happened at our company too and really engineers do respond to this. When this happened to one guy on friday, next week on Monday everyone took ownership of their work and started organising better and collaboration shot up. And to the OP of this thread. No one here will tell you anything that works because that would be politically incorrect and receive backslash from the receivers od this treatment. On this forum, majority are engineers who don't know anything about management. So any pro management shit will be downvoted to oblivion by labour class engineers. You are at a wrong place asking for advice op! This forum only helps with job hoping/getting company to pay you more/ negotiating less work hours.
- warent 8y ago
  Creating a second account to agree with yourself isn't going to make your point any more compelling.
- vidro3 8y ago
  >When this happened to one guy on friday, next week on Monday everyone took ownership of their work and started organising better and collaboration shot up. yeah, they were all sending resumes out over the weekend
EliRivers 8y ago
This advice is so shockingly bad that I'm wondering if this is a deliberate spoof. This is the kind of management behaviour that erodes trust. Destroys teams. Stops people thinking about what's best for the company and has them thinking only about how to protect themselves. Team members turn on each other. Every bug becomes a blame game. The good people look for new jobs to move on to. People write anonymous blog posts about the company and how this manager had a screaming fit and trashed some guys desk while firing him; every potential customer googling the company reads it and watches the footage on youtube if someone was fast with their phone.
- Aeolun 8y ago
  I think you have a slightly distorted view of how firing works in a well-adjusted company. If someone is slowly eroding the motivation of your other engineers, then you should get rid of them for both your sakes (they probably hate working there anyway).
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  - EliRivers 8y ago
    What you say about needing to fire some people seems a complete non-sequitur, as if I'd been advocating to never fire people; as if my "distorted view" is to never fire anyone. That is not my view.
    - Aeolun 8y ago
      > This advice is so shockingly bad that I'm wondering if this is a deliberate spoof. This is the kind of management behaviour that erodes trust. Then what is the behaviour you are talking about here? I must be missing something.
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jdlshore 8y ago
This is terrible advice, and abusive. It will bend your culture towards one of fear, blame, and finger-pointing. Presumably not what you want. If someone did this in front of me, I would immediately start privately advocating for their removal from the company.
thrwwyngnr 8y ago
OP here. Yeah, that's not gonna fly here at all.
- Aeolun 8y ago
  Firing people? Or public shitcanning? Because I think the person above you is just talking about letting people go.
  - thrwwyngnr 8y ago
    > Firing people? Or public shitcanning? Publicly shitcanning. It's illegal here.

lojack 8y ago

While I don’t think you should fire someone just to set an example, the scarcity of developers is precisely why you should fire those who are negatively impacting the teams and are unwilling to change.

thrwwyngnr 8y ago
That's a very good point.