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>Plus, as a user, I trust Linus more than any decentralised process I can think of. Can you make a compelling argument for why that is? Is it that you believe

>Plus, as a user, I trust Linus more than any decentralised process I can think of. Can you make a compelling argument for why that is? Is it that you believe Linus has your personal well being in mind or you are unfamiliar with decentralised "processes"? edit: Questioning why someone trusts a person they never met over transparent processes that mitigate risks should not deserve downvotes. If we control what can be discussed, we also control what can be known...

dspillett 8y ago
Can you make a compelling argument for why you would trust a random collection of unverified people on the Internet over someone with a well-known reputation that doesn't include anything bad (aside from being a bit of an arse occasionally, but at least he is honest about that!)?
- decentralised 8y ago
  Yes, it's called game theory and Schelling point and I'm a big fan as you can see: https://github.com/jpantunes/awesome-cryptoeconomics#game-theory https://github.com/jpantunes/awesome-cryptoeconomics#game-th...
  - boomlinde 8y ago
    That's not an argument. You're just naming a game theory concept. A compelling argument would at least explain why and how it applies to this situation.
    - decentralised 8y ago
      Ok then, my argument is that decentralisation is a very ancient concept and that game theory exists because people with different world views, interests and goals have to negotiate with each other to survive. Decentralisation is the process of ensuring there is no SPF and to minimise unbalances in power. For instance, in my country, decentralisation would mean we would have independent state law (like the US) and that most of our decision making structures aren't physically and politically centred in the nation's capital. In technology, we can take the Linux kernel maintenance process as an example of how decentralisation makes it possible to have China, US and EU companies funding the development process and using the software without (too much) fear.
      - gronne 8y ago
        Your an econ freshman arent you?
        decentralised 8y ago
        No, but I am always trying to learn new topics and ever since I got professionally involved in blockchain I have picked up a couple of econ books but I wouldn't falsely represent myself as an econ expert. Why do you ask?
atmosx 8y ago
> Can you make a compelling argument for why that is? Is it that you believe Linus has your personal well being in mind or you are unfamiliar with decentralised "processes"? Yes, the project is successful, as successful as an open source project can be. It seems to work fine since 1992. Why would you bring up my personal well being ? Does a decentralised process (whatever that means actually, it's not defined at all yet) take my personal well being in to consideration???
- decentralised 8y ago
  I brought up your personal well being because trust implies that you forgo your own judgement. There's a truism that states that past performance is not an indication of future behaviour and I tend to not trust unchecked power.
  - zapzupnz 8y ago
    > unchecked power Linus may have the final say on a lot of things, particularly regarding policy surrounding contributions, but "unchecked" isn't so much an overstatement so much as a joke. Vast numbers of contributors, security auditors, and generally-interested hackers keep close eyes on the Linux kernel.
    - decentralised 8y ago
      I agree with you, its the decentralisation of open-source that keeps Linux safe.
      - elcomet 8y ago
        You should explain what you mean by decentralization. I think you are mixing concepts here and don't bring much to the discussion. What does "Decentralization of open source" means ? It seems you are saying that having multiple contributors and auditors keeps linux safe, I wouldn't really call this "decentralization", you can have a centralized process that is audited by many persons.
lovelle 8y ago
I trust Linus from the fact that he put the user at a level of priority more important than anything esle in a time when few people did it, and this decision makes userspace solid as a rock to me over the years
black-tea 8y ago
If you read the kernel mailing lists it's abundantly clear that Linus cares deeply about the quality of the kernel and rejects bullshit and corporate politics. He's exactly the kind of person I want to maintain a piece of technology that I rely on and trust every day.
ianai 8y ago
Your topic isn’t in any way related to a kernel point release. Further, I suspect your criticism is not actual criticism but is instead malice.
- decentralised 8y ago
  I replied to a comment about trust and decentralisation that are both topics I am very interested in, and I believe you replied to my comment. I fail to see the malice...
  - ianai 8y ago
    There is a fine point beyond which criticism becomes destructive. So much so that all criticism must make clear strides towards positive advice.
    - decentralised 8y ago
      I agree with you so I would like it if you could please show me what criticism I made exactly. I can't find one in this thread and don't understand why you've suspected me to be malicious or my intent to be destructive.

dspillett 8y ago

Can you make a compelling argument for why you would trust a random collection of unverified people on the Internet over someone with a well-known reputation that doesn't include anything bad (aside from being a bit of an arse occasionally, but at least he is honest about that!)?

decentralised 8y ago
Yes, it's called game theory and Schelling point and I'm a big fan as you can see: https://github.com/jpantunes/awesome-cryptoeconomics#game-theory https://github.com/jpantunes/awesome-cryptoeconomics#game-th...
- boomlinde 8y ago
  That's not an argument. You're just naming a game theory concept. A compelling argument would at least explain why and how it applies to this situation.
  - decentralised 8y ago
    Ok then, my argument is that decentralisation is a very ancient concept and that game theory exists because people with different world views, interests and goals have to negotiate with each other to survive. Decentralisation is the process of ensuring there is no SPF and to minimise unbalances in power. For instance, in my country, decentralisation would mean we would have independent state law (like the US) and that most of our decision making structures aren't physically and politically centred in the nation's capital. In technology, we can take the Linux kernel maintenance process as an example of how decentralisation makes it possible to have China, US and EU companies funding the development process and using the software without (too much) fear.
    - gronne 8y ago
      Your an econ freshman arent you?
      - decentralised 8y ago
        No, but I am always trying to learn new topics and ever since I got professionally involved in blockchain I have picked up a couple of econ books but I wouldn't falsely represent myself as an econ expert. Why do you ask?

atmosx 8y ago

> Can you make a compelling argument for why that is? Is it that you believe Linus has your personal well being in mind or you are unfamiliar with decentralised "processes"? Yes, the project is successful, as successful as an open source project can be. It seems to work fine since 1992. Why would you bring up my personal well being ? Does a decentralised process (whatever that means actually, it's not defined at all yet) take my personal well being in to consideration???

decentralised 8y ago
I brought up your personal well being because trust implies that you forgo your own judgement. There's a truism that states that past performance is not an indication of future behaviour and I tend to not trust unchecked power.
- zapzupnz 8y ago
  > unchecked power Linus may have the final say on a lot of things, particularly regarding policy surrounding contributions, but "unchecked" isn't so much an overstatement so much as a joke. Vast numbers of contributors, security auditors, and generally-interested hackers keep close eyes on the Linux kernel.
  - decentralised 8y ago
    I agree with you, its the decentralisation of open-source that keeps Linux safe.
    - elcomet 8y ago
      You should explain what you mean by decentralization. I think you are mixing concepts here and don't bring much to the discussion. What does "Decentralization of open source" means ? It seems you are saying that having multiple contributors and auditors keeps linux safe, I wouldn't really call this "decentralization", you can have a centralized process that is audited by many persons.

lovelle 8y ago

I trust Linus from the fact that he put the user at a level of priority more important than anything esle in a time when few people did it, and this decision makes userspace solid as a rock to me over the years

black-tea 8y ago

If you read the kernel mailing lists it's abundantly clear that Linus cares deeply about the quality of the kernel and rejects bullshit and corporate politics. He's exactly the kind of person I want to maintain a piece of technology that I rely on and trust every day.

ianai 8y ago

Your topic isn’t in any way related to a kernel point release. Further, I suspect your criticism is not actual criticism but is instead malice.

decentralised 8y ago
I replied to a comment about trust and decentralisation that are both topics I am very interested in, and I believe you replied to my comment. I fail to see the malice...
- ianai 8y ago
  There is a fine point beyond which criticism becomes destructive. So much so that all criticism must make clear strides towards positive advice.
  - decentralised 8y ago
    I agree with you so I would like it if you could please show me what criticism I made exactly. I can't find one in this thread and don't understand why you've suspected me to be malicious or my intent to be destructive.