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What enrages me most is the fact that they ask us to f* pay for it! The implicit deal with Facebook, Google and other free services is that you pay them with t

by 131012 8y ago

What enrages me most is the fact that they ask us to f* pay for it! The implicit deal with Facebook, Google and other free services is that you pay them with their data. Fine. But paying for being spied on? This is scam pure and simple.

linuxftw 8y ago
There's a (more than one, really) wonderful free operating system alternative that you can install on almost any PC. At the very least, you can dual boot. Critical mass starts with you.
- monetus 8y ago
  How do you feel about critical mass for average users though? Debian updating its repositories every two years is kind of antithetical to the android and mac idea of software repositories. I've not tried elementaryOS, but I thought it was similar.
  - linuxftw 8y ago
    Plenty of software vendors provide packages that are compatible across releases such as google chrome and mariadb. Checkout Mariadb's releases for Ubuntu: http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/mariadb//mariadb-10.3.11/repo/ubuntu/dists/ http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/mariadb//mariadb-10.3.11/... Just the system packages need to be stable (eg, distro's repos). Also worth mentioning is snaps and flatpacks (though I'm not personally a fan, they do exist).
  - zozbot123 8y ago
    Debian updates its stable release repositories every two years (aside from pure bugfixes and the like, of course) because this is what it takes to have a rock-solid software release-- with a truly negligible amount of issues for the computer-naïve "average user" to be bitten by-- given the resources they have at present and the overall state of upstream software. If people want more frequent updates, coupled with the same overall reliability that Debian has always been known for (far more than many other Linux distributions), they're welcome to contribute.
  - saghm 8y ago
    There are distros not based on Debian out there, many of which update their packages more often than every two years
  - flukus 8y ago
    Average users hate updates, that's a major reason MS (and others like chrome) have to be so aggressive about forcing them, it's why so many stick with XP and 7. They hate security updates because they're an annoyance that does things they don't understand and they hate app updates that change the UI under their nose. If you gave them a system and promised nothing major would change for 5 years they'd be thankful.
    - Nerdfest 8y ago
      You can run fully transparent updates in Linux using tools from Canonical, Oracle, etc. I have absolutely no idea how people put up with how badly Windows does updates, and really, XBox is not far behind.
- wink 8y ago
  Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. I appreciate trying to prod people, but this came off very elitist. -- someone who's been using Linux since 1998, Linux desktops for work stuff since ~2008 and has more machines with only Linux at home than ones with Windows, but still spends the majority of recreation time on a Win7 box because not all games run nicely with Wine, or at all.
  - 131012 8y ago
    It came off very elitist to assume I am running on Windows too. My comment was written from Ubuntu, yet I had to buy a Win10 license last time I bought a laptop.
  - flukus 8y ago
    > Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows. If you can't accept that their will be some pain involved and things they have to give up then you should expect to be stuck in this abusive relationship forever.
    - zapzupnz 8y ago
      > Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows Are you saying that generally or to the person to whom you responded, because it looks like you're both saying the same thing with the current wording and I find it a tad confusing.
      - flukus 8y ago
        We both recognize the difficulty but OP doesn't seem willing to accept the self sacrifice necessary to get to the end goal, which is what I was attempting to emphasize. As long as MS know that people aren't willing to make sacrifices (and we're using the term loosely) like that they will have no reason to change and the cycle will continue.
  - dman 8y ago
pippy 8y ago
Products that serve ads and sell your user data should be free, see Facebook or Google Search. If I fork out money for a product, I expect to do what is says it does. To have Windows auto update and serve ads in the start bar or lock screen is just too much

by 131012 8y ago

linuxftw 8y ago

There's a (more than one, really) wonderful free operating system alternative that you can install on almost any PC. At the very least, you can dual boot. Critical mass starts with you.

monetus 8y ago
How do you feel about critical mass for average users though? Debian updating its repositories every two years is kind of antithetical to the android and mac idea of software repositories. I've not tried elementaryOS, but I thought it was similar.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  Plenty of software vendors provide packages that are compatible across releases such as google chrome and mariadb. Checkout Mariadb's releases for Ubuntu: http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/mariadb//mariadb-10.3.11/repo/ubuntu/dists/ http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/mariadb//mariadb-10.3.11/... Just the system packages need to be stable (eg, distro's repos). Also worth mentioning is snaps and flatpacks (though I'm not personally a fan, they do exist).
- zozbot123 8y ago
  Debian updates its stable release repositories every two years (aside from pure bugfixes and the like, of course) because this is what it takes to have a rock-solid software release-- with a truly negligible amount of issues for the computer-naïve "average user" to be bitten by-- given the resources they have at present and the overall state of upstream software. If people want more frequent updates, coupled with the same overall reliability that Debian has always been known for (far more than many other Linux distributions), they're welcome to contribute.
- saghm 8y ago
  There are distros not based on Debian out there, many of which update their packages more often than every two years
- flukus 8y ago
  Average users hate updates, that's a major reason MS (and others like chrome) have to be so aggressive about forcing them, it's why so many stick with XP and 7. They hate security updates because they're an annoyance that does things they don't understand and they hate app updates that change the UI under their nose. If you gave them a system and promised nothing major would change for 5 years they'd be thankful.
  - Nerdfest 8y ago
    You can run fully transparent updates in Linux using tools from Canonical, Oracle, etc. I have absolutely no idea how people put up with how badly Windows does updates, and really, XBox is not far behind.
wink 8y ago
Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. I appreciate trying to prod people, but this came off very elitist. -- someone who's been using Linux since 1998, Linux desktops for work stuff since ~2008 and has more machines with only Linux at home than ones with Windows, but still spends the majority of recreation time on a Win7 box because not all games run nicely with Wine, or at all.
- 131012 8y ago
  It came off very elitist to assume I am running on Windows too. My comment was written from Ubuntu, yet I had to buy a Win10 license last time I bought a laptop.
- flukus 8y ago
  > Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows. If you can't accept that their will be some pain involved and things they have to give up then you should expect to be stuck in this abusive relationship forever.
  - zapzupnz 8y ago
    > Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows Are you saying that generally or to the person to whom you responded, because it looks like you're both saying the same thing with the current wording and I find it a tad confusing.
    - flukus 8y ago
      We both recognize the difficulty but OP doesn't seem willing to accept the self sacrifice necessary to get to the end goal, which is what I was attempting to emphasize. As long as MS know that people aren't willing to make sacrifices (and we're using the term loosely) like that they will have no reason to change and the cycle will continue.
- dman 8y ago

pippy 8y ago

Products that serve ads and sell your user data should be free, see Facebook or Google Search. If I fork out money for a product, I expect to do what is says it does. To have Windows auto update and serve ads in the start bar or lock screen is just too much