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Apple has been signalling to do the opposite, iOS 12 has been great in my experience on their 2013 iPhone 5s model. I think it makes sense for them to cultivat

Apple has been signalling to do the opposite, iOS 12 has been great in my experience on their 2013 iPhone 5s model. I think it makes sense for them to cultivate the reputation for long-lasting given the new price points. I'm slightly hopefully the 5s will get iOS 13, it was the first 64-bit phone and also has the secure enclave, I'm bet they could pull it off.

anoncoward111 8y ago
I don't understand how that's possible. My girlfriend and I deliberately switched from 4s/5s to LG Zone4 specifically because of all the throttling and horrible performance of every native/3rd party app on iOS. The difference has been mindblowing. We no longer wait 15 seconds for an app to open.
- ericabiz 8y ago
  Repair shop owner here...that throttling is typically caused by an older battery. Putting a new battery in the phone revives its performance. One of the tests I run when a customer brings an older iPhone in is to open the camera. We had a customer with an iPhone 6 where the camera would take 20-30 seconds to open. After we replaced her battery, it opened in a second or two.
  - copperx 8y ago
    I thought that throttling in iOS 12 could be disabled through the software, under Settings.
    - ericabiz 8y ago
      You can, but the whole point of throttling was that iPhone 6s with older batteries were shutting down randomly, particularly in cold temperatures. The batteries were not able to deliver the voltage the phone required, and as a safety measure the phone just shut down. Apple introduced throttling to combat the random shutdowns. Of course, Apple being Apple, they did a remarkably poor job of explaining all of this. It took them until people filed lawsuits to introduce their "battery health indicator", and even now people don't really understand that slow performance can often be fixed by a new battery.
  - anoncoward111 8y ago
    Only issue is that the price of a battery replacement is the same as my Zone 4, and I am enjoying the objectively better hardware. Plus, I am biased against apple's ecosystem, but this is more subjective and has to do with my lack of dependence on iOS exclusives. Thanks for the insight!!!
    - readhn 8y ago
      battery replacement on an iphone from what i have seen is a 30-50$ part and 30min of your time with a screwdriver.
awesrdtfgy 8y ago
This is a little off topic, but it's been driving me nuts and I want to know if anyone else has experienced this. I feel like iOS 11 causes my phone to drop calls... I have an iphone 5s, and took a loooong time before I updated to iOS 11 from iOS 10.3. I learned the hard way with my iphone 4 not to blindly click update or your phone may be unusable. Anyway, I have been in my apartment since the beginning of the year. I make all sorts of phone calls no problem. Reception is good, usually 3-4 bars. In June I updated my phone to iOS 11. Since then, a phone call in my apartment will last at best 5 minutes before I get a "Call Failed" screen. It's insane. I look at my phone and it has 4 bars. Literally as I press the "Dial" button, it instantly drops to 1-2 bars. Usually about a minute into the call it drops to 0 bars. Then the call drops. As soon as the "Call Failed" screen goes away, it's back up to 4 bars. I feel like I'm going crazy. Has anyone else experienced this? I haven't been able to find any similar bug reports or experiences online... edit: i meant iOS 11. I am hesitant to update to iOS 12 because of my experience with 11
- toast0 8y ago
  This sounds like you're getting data on LTE, but you don't have VoLTE (not available on iPhone 5s? or not provisioned by your carrier for you). As a result, when you use calling features, your phone will drop LTE and connect on an earlier standard to make calls. Carriers have been reallocating spectrum from older standards to LTE, so it's not unlikely that carrier changes reduced your calling ability around the same time as you made software changes to your phone. Double check if VoLTE is available for your phone, and try to get that enabled... Or stand closer to the window when you make calls.
  - awesrdtfgy 8y ago
    Huh I never thought of that (or even knew about VoLTE). I'll look more into that. I am always hesitant to say "it was definitely such and such upgrade" but I can't think of anything else that changed about my phone in mid June except my iOS update. It took me a month or so to realize that it was a persistent pattern, so it's not like I updated on Monday and on Tuesday realized my calls were dropping.

anoncoward111 8y ago

I don't understand how that's possible. My girlfriend and I deliberately switched from 4s/5s to LG Zone4 specifically because of all the throttling and horrible performance of every native/3rd party app on iOS. The difference has been mindblowing. We no longer wait 15 seconds for an app to open.

ericabiz 8y ago
Repair shop owner here...that throttling is typically caused by an older battery. Putting a new battery in the phone revives its performance. One of the tests I run when a customer brings an older iPhone in is to open the camera. We had a customer with an iPhone 6 where the camera would take 20-30 seconds to open. After we replaced her battery, it opened in a second or two.
- copperx 8y ago
  I thought that throttling in iOS 12 could be disabled through the software, under Settings.
  - ericabiz 8y ago
    You can, but the whole point of throttling was that iPhone 6s with older batteries were shutting down randomly, particularly in cold temperatures. The batteries were not able to deliver the voltage the phone required, and as a safety measure the phone just shut down. Apple introduced throttling to combat the random shutdowns. Of course, Apple being Apple, they did a remarkably poor job of explaining all of this. It took them until people filed lawsuits to introduce their "battery health indicator", and even now people don't really understand that slow performance can often be fixed by a new battery.
- anoncoward111 8y ago
  Only issue is that the price of a battery replacement is the same as my Zone 4, and I am enjoying the objectively better hardware. Plus, I am biased against apple's ecosystem, but this is more subjective and has to do with my lack of dependence on iOS exclusives. Thanks for the insight!!!
  - readhn 8y ago
    battery replacement on an iphone from what i have seen is a 30-50$ part and 30min of your time with a screwdriver.

awesrdtfgy 8y ago

This is a little off topic, but it's been driving me nuts and I want to know if anyone else has experienced this. I feel like iOS 11 causes my phone to drop calls... I have an iphone 5s, and took a loooong time before I updated to iOS 11 from iOS 10.3. I learned the hard way with my iphone 4 not to blindly click update or your phone may be unusable. Anyway, I have been in my apartment since the beginning of the year. I make all sorts of phone calls no problem. Reception is good, usually 3-4 bars. In June I updated my phone to iOS 11. Since then, a phone call in my apartment will last at best 5 minutes before I get a "Call Failed" screen. It's insane. I look at my phone and it has 4 bars. Literally as I press the "Dial" button, it instantly drops to 1-2 bars. Usually about a minute into the call it drops to 0 bars. Then the call drops. As soon as the "Call Failed" screen goes away, it's back up to 4 bars. I feel like I'm going crazy. Has anyone else experienced this? I haven't been able to find any similar bug reports or experiences online... edit: i meant iOS 11. I am hesitant to update to iOS 12 because of my experience with 11

toast0 8y ago
This sounds like you're getting data on LTE, but you don't have VoLTE (not available on iPhone 5s? or not provisioned by your carrier for you). As a result, when you use calling features, your phone will drop LTE and connect on an earlier standard to make calls. Carriers have been reallocating spectrum from older standards to LTE, so it's not unlikely that carrier changes reduced your calling ability around the same time as you made software changes to your phone. Double check if VoLTE is available for your phone, and try to get that enabled... Or stand closer to the window when you make calls.
- awesrdtfgy 8y ago
  Huh I never thought of that (or even knew about VoLTE). I'll look more into that. I am always hesitant to say "it was definitely such and such upgrade" but I can't think of anything else that changed about my phone in mid June except my iOS update. It took me a month or so to realize that it was a persistent pattern, so it's not like I updated on Monday and on Tuesday realized my calls were dropping.