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If your country has "democratic" in the name it's probably not democratic. If your major has "science" in the name it's probably not science. If your company ha

by jules 8y ago

If your country has "democratic" in the name it's probably not democratic. If your major has "science" in the name it's probably not science. If your company has "don't be evil" in its motto...

Waterluvian 8y ago
Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king.
- m_mueller 8y ago
  Also holds for someone saying "I'm intelligent" and "trust me".
  - mathattack 8y ago
    And “Frankly” and “I’ll be honest”...
    - rodeoclown 8y ago
      I've head this comment before, but from my own speech I don't find this to be true at all. It usually means I'm saying something I perceive to be more vulnerable or direct than any party to the conversation has been to that point - not at all that I was being deceptive before that point or after.
      - InitialLastName 8y ago
        > vulnerable or direct than any party to the conversation has been to that point You seem to be sort of acknowledging the contradiction in this one. If the conversation is guarded (self-protecting vulnerability) or indirect, then it isn't being frank.
        dcow 8y ago
        But what follows Frankly is genuine whereas in the other examples the target phrase is used to reinforce a deceitful stance.
  - timdellinger 8y ago
    Definitely true for anything named a "Center of Excellence"
- dd36 8y ago
  Howard Stern is the king of all media.
- _pgmf 8y ago
  John 19:21, Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
  - Piskvorrr 8y ago
    ...And Pilate said "whatever, I'm not gonna rewrite this."
armada651 8y ago
So Computer Science is Engineering?
- saalweachter 8y ago
  Some things in CS programs are engineering, other things are philosophy.
  - humanrebar 8y ago
    Advanced CS work has more to do with psychology and sociology than science and engineering in my experience.
    - polynomial 8y ago
      Care to elaborate?
      - humanrebar 8y ago
        The problems (or at least the solutions) stop being technical and start being cultural and political pretty quickly.
      - adonnjohn 8y ago
        STEM and humanities sit hand in hand nowadays. STEM to turn needs into realities, humanities to effectively manage relationships/expectations across every level of stakeholders.
    - 13of40 8y ago
      I agree, but I'd say "software engineering" rather than "CS". It's hard to produce software at scale without herding lots of cats.
- ouid 8y ago
  computer science is math
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TheForumTroll 8y ago
>If your country has "democratic" in the name "The United Democratic States of North America not including Canada" would be quite the name.
- grecy 8y ago
  It would surely be "The Federal Republic of the Democratic United States of America" (I've been in Africa waaaaay too long :) )
  - da_chicken 8y ago
    United Federation of the Democratic-Republican States of America.
  - thefringthing 8y ago
    "Pepsi Presents The Federal Republic of the Democratic United States of America"
    - starbeast 8y ago
      "In association with Kraft Cheese. The only true cheese for Patriots!" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-10/american-cheese-is-no-longer-america-s-big-cheese https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-10/american-...
_Schizotypy 8y ago
So what is neuroscience then
- airstrike 8y ago
  They did say "probably" not science, so this one is the exception
  - azinman2 8y ago
    But what about data science? /s
- PurpleBoxDragon 8y ago
  That's why it should just be under neurology.
  - rusk 8y ago
    isn't neurology more to do with the physiological aspect? Neuroscience is a bit more like behavioural psychology.
    - jessaustin 8y ago
      Is that really an argument in favor of it being a science? Isn't behavioral psych going through a "replication crisis"?
      - rusk 8y ago
        No. It’s saying that GP has completely miscategorised notwithstanding your clumsy strawman.
        jessaustin 8y ago
        What "strawman"? You introduced behavioral psych to the discussion. You seem more certain now, however...
api 8y ago
So we should start a country called the Totalitarian Empire of Evil and it would be a utopia? I'm in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhhz1yYk2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhhz1yYk2U
- velcrovan 8y ago
  I think the Satanists actually have this mindset. Seems like I'm frequently seeing headlines about them doing good works and stuff.
  - virmundi 8y ago
    Most Satanists do not believe in Satan. They do not worship the individual, directly, named Satan who is found in the Christian religion. Satanists look at Satan, especially Milton's Satan as a literary figure who embodies individualism and free thought. To that end, they are edgy Libertarians.
    - deleted 8y ago
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    - nybble41 8y ago
      I ran across an interesting (fictional) variation of this viewpoint once where Satan was cast as the unsung hero of a resistance movement, fighting on behalf of human beings against a tyrannical God. Unfortunately, the resistance lost—and the "history" espoused by most major religions is basically just propaganda on behalf of the winning side. (IIRC this was mentioned offhand as background data for one character at some point in the Empire of Man series by David Weber & John Ringo.) I have no personal stake in this one way or the other, but it's an interesting thought-experiment. If that version of events were true, would anyone be able to tell? Is it really any less plausible than the "official" version?
      - api 8y ago
        There's a piece of Lord of the Rings fanfic around that inverts it in the same way -- Mordor was really a democratic scientific place and they just wanted to understand how magic really worked, but were defeated by the autocratic kings of the rest of the world who wanted to keep magic to themselves. The standard history is propaganda, etc.
pmarreck 8y ago
"Work/life balance" really means you'll experience a "work/work balance"
- FireBeyond 8y ago
  This basically sums it up: https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-05-05 https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-05-05
itsdrewmiller 8y ago
It sounds like the bad apples were at Motorola and potentially Google got rid of them.

by jules 8y ago

If your country has "democratic" in the name it's probably not democratic. If your major has "science" in the name it's probably not science. If your company has "don't be evil" in its motto...

Waterluvian 8y ago

Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king.

m_mueller 8y ago
Also holds for someone saying "I'm intelligent" and "trust me".
- mathattack 8y ago
  And “Frankly” and “I’ll be honest”...
  - rodeoclown 8y ago
    I've head this comment before, but from my own speech I don't find this to be true at all. It usually means I'm saying something I perceive to be more vulnerable or direct than any party to the conversation has been to that point - not at all that I was being deceptive before that point or after.
    - InitialLastName 8y ago
      > vulnerable or direct than any party to the conversation has been to that point You seem to be sort of acknowledging the contradiction in this one. If the conversation is guarded (self-protecting vulnerability) or indirect, then it isn't being frank.
      - dcow 8y ago
        But what follows Frankly is genuine whereas in the other examples the target phrase is used to reinforce a deceitful stance.
- timdellinger 8y ago
  Definitely true for anything named a "Center of Excellence"
dd36 8y ago
Howard Stern is the king of all media.
_pgmf 8y ago
John 19:21, Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  ...And Pilate said "whatever, I'm not gonna rewrite this."

armada651 8y ago

So Computer Science is Engineering?

saalweachter 8y ago
Some things in CS programs are engineering, other things are philosophy.
- humanrebar 8y ago
  Advanced CS work has more to do with psychology and sociology than science and engineering in my experience.
  - polynomial 8y ago
    Care to elaborate?
    - humanrebar 8y ago
      The problems (or at least the solutions) stop being technical and start being cultural and political pretty quickly.
    - adonnjohn 8y ago
      STEM and humanities sit hand in hand nowadays. STEM to turn needs into realities, humanities to effectively manage relationships/expectations across every level of stakeholders.
  - 13of40 8y ago
    I agree, but I'd say "software engineering" rather than "CS". It's hard to produce software at scale without herding lots of cats.
ouid 8y ago
computer science is math

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TheForumTroll 8y ago

>If your country has "democratic" in the name "The United Democratic States of North America not including Canada" would be quite the name.

grecy 8y ago
It would surely be "The Federal Republic of the Democratic United States of America" (I've been in Africa waaaaay too long :) )
- da_chicken 8y ago
  United Federation of the Democratic-Republican States of America.
- thefringthing 8y ago
  "Pepsi Presents The Federal Republic of the Democratic United States of America"
  - starbeast 8y ago
    "In association with Kraft Cheese. The only true cheese for Patriots!" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-10/american-cheese-is-no-longer-america-s-big-cheese https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-10/american-...

_Schizotypy 8y ago

So what is neuroscience then

airstrike 8y ago
They did say "probably" not science, so this one is the exception
- azinman2 8y ago
  But what about data science? /s
PurpleBoxDragon 8y ago
That's why it should just be under neurology.
- rusk 8y ago
  isn't neurology more to do with the physiological aspect? Neuroscience is a bit more like behavioural psychology.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Is that really an argument in favor of it being a science? Isn't behavioral psych going through a "replication crisis"?
    - rusk 8y ago
      No. It’s saying that GP has completely miscategorised notwithstanding your clumsy strawman.
      - jessaustin 8y ago
        What "strawman"? You introduced behavioral psych to the discussion. You seem more certain now, however...

api 8y ago

So we should start a country called the Totalitarian Empire of Evil and it would be a utopia? I'm in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhhz1yYk2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNhhz1yYk2U

velcrovan 8y ago
I think the Satanists actually have this mindset. Seems like I'm frequently seeing headlines about them doing good works and stuff.
- virmundi 8y ago
  Most Satanists do not believe in Satan. They do not worship the individual, directly, named Satan who is found in the Christian religion. Satanists look at Satan, especially Milton's Satan as a literary figure who embodies individualism and free thought. To that end, they are edgy Libertarians.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - nybble41 8y ago
    I ran across an interesting (fictional) variation of this viewpoint once where Satan was cast as the unsung hero of a resistance movement, fighting on behalf of human beings against a tyrannical God. Unfortunately, the resistance lost—and the "history" espoused by most major religions is basically just propaganda on behalf of the winning side. (IIRC this was mentioned offhand as background data for one character at some point in the Empire of Man series by David Weber & John Ringo.) I have no personal stake in this one way or the other, but it's an interesting thought-experiment. If that version of events were true, would anyone be able to tell? Is it really any less plausible than the "official" version?
    - api 8y ago
      There's a piece of Lord of the Rings fanfic around that inverts it in the same way -- Mordor was really a democratic scientific place and they just wanted to understand how magic really worked, but were defeated by the autocratic kings of the rest of the world who wanted to keep magic to themselves. The standard history is propaganda, etc.

pmarreck 8y ago

"Work/life balance" really means you'll experience a "work/work balance"

FireBeyond 8y ago
This basically sums it up: https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-05-05 https://dilbert.com/strip/1998-05-05

itsdrewmiller 8y ago

It sounds like the bad apples were at Motorola and potentially Google got rid of them.