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My faith in Apple would be completely redeemed if they took the 2015 Macbook Pro, put current gen hardware in it, maybe add a couple USB-C ports, and call it th

My faith in Apple would be completely redeemed if they took the 2015 Macbook Pro, put current gen hardware in it, maybe add a couple USB-C ports, and call it the 2019 Macbook Pro. My personal computer is a 2015 and my work is a 2017, and there are zero features from the 2017 that I prefer.

nixpulvis 8y ago
Funny how true that is. While they are at it, make the new iPhone the 2019 iPhone and simply put the headphone jack back.
- dylan604 8y ago
  While I have not upgraded my 6S Plus because it has the headphone jack, it is hard to make a water tight device when the users keep asking for holes to be put into the case.
  - arvinsim 8y ago
    Number of users asking for headphone jack >>> Users asking for waterproof phones. Besides, it’s not an excuse. Samsung can design a waterproof phone with headphone jack. Why can’t Apple?
    - lostgame 8y ago
      >> Number of users asking for headphone jack >>> Users asking for waterproof phones. As much I as a musician, who can't stand the unplayable latency of bluetooth headphones with any of my daily drivers, such as Garageband, and has invested in extremely high-quality headphones with cables, would take the headphone jack over a waterproof phone in a heartbeat; I have to say [citation needed]... That's a bold statement to make. While I'd prefer a headphone jack, due to my particular use case, most of my friends have or have no problem with using wireless headphones, and many of them have also lost phones or other electronics to even a small amount of water in the wrong place.
      - arvinsim 8y ago
        I went back home 2 weeks ago. My home is not part of the first world bubble that some people live in. Obviously this just anecdata but let me tell you that wireless headphones/earbuds have not even been a consideration for most people. Heck, even first world countries have lots of people still using wired earbuds for most use cases. I heard lots of grumbling about the loss of headphone jacks. I never even once heard someone say "this is not waterproof? I won't buy it!"
        pokemongoaway 8y ago
        Yep! When are people going to realize leaders of Apple, Google, Amazon and the rest are not capitalists. They are corporatists. These are the same companies lobbying for more government control - they don't want to have to compete. So much leftist propaganda! NH has been full of negative reviews and common-sense explanations for better tech designs for years now, but still few here feel entitled as customers (and designers or engineers)! People are learning to distrust their own experience of the world and trust authority when they are told what people "actually prefer" - and then they start preferring it... Disgusting.
  - binomialxenon 8y ago
    Samsung, LG, and others can make phones with both headphone jacks and water resistance, but that's obviously not the real reason that Apple removed it. (The iPad Pro is huge, not water resistant, and doesn't have one either.)
viburnum 8y ago
I'm using a 2012 retina and it's way better than anything they make now.
- louisswiss 8y ago
  I had been using a 2016 MBP at work and couldn't take it with me. Booted up my old 2011 MBP non-retina and it was painfully slow. 5min startup and a lot of programs completely unusable. Took me all of 10min to swap out the HDD for an SSD and 2x2gb RAM for 2x8gb RAM (and cost about $100). Now I don't notice any difference for normal web development/light design work between the new and old machines. Sure - the 2011 is a lot heavier and the screen is rubbish, but I love that keyboard and the trackpad is perfectly sized for me.
  - your-nanny 8y ago
    I reaaaally like my 2012 nonretina MBP. except it's heavy and I bike to work
jSully24 8y ago
Yes! For our latest round of machines we bought for our team were refurbished 2015 MBPs. A great machine. (ed: spelling)
eksemplar 8y ago
I upgraded from a late 2015 to a 2018 earlier this fall. I don’t really miss anything, especially not the weight or the keyboard. The touchbar has never been of use to me though. It doesn’t annoy me much, but the user design for changing volume requires more clicks than the non touchbar, so it’s obviously terrible design. I don’t miss any of the ports, I thought I would, but it’s not like there was an Ethernet port so I still needed a dongle for the 2015 version. There’s certainly room for improvement, but the 512gb 13” version isn’t crazy expensive for what you’re getting compared to other laptops, at least not in my country.
- simonbarker87 8y ago
  Tap hold and slide for volume and brightness. It’s faster than the old keys.
  - eksemplar 8y ago
    It’s terrible compared to the old way. You click the sound icon, then the slide opens up, then you can either slide it or click one of the two icons. It’s probably quicker to change the volume from one to ten this way, but 99% of my use cases for changing volume is for one or two steps, for which the slider absolutely sucks. It’s some of the worst design I’ve ever seen for volume control, and the old system is some of the best.
    - efrafa 8y ago
      You can just tap and slide at once. (Without releasing your finger) Its actually faster than with old buttons.
      - eksemplar 8y ago
        How is tapping and sliding easier than pressing a button once?
        yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
ed_balls 8y ago
Agreed, I want my late 2014 13 inch Macbook Pro with the latest hardware. Also: - swap the SD port for UBC C (1 regular USB; 2 USB C) - move the microphone from the side next to the camera (when I'm talking to someone a slightest move makes loud noise for the other person) - round the front edge (next to the trackpad) - add 0.5mm "jump" ot the keys If someone would make that with OS X or Ubuntu I'd buy it on the spot.
kebman 8y ago
This. If I could give you more points, I would. Enough said. Also take back the old Final Cut Pro to really compete with Adobe, and some of the quality of life features they used to have, but oversimplified away.
unknownsavage 8y ago
I recently upgraded from the 2015 to the current gen. 2015 pros: * Better battery life * Way better keyboard * More robust * More useful port selection * Trackpad is a more reasonable size 2018 pros: * Way better speakers * Slightly better screen * Lighter * Faster * Trackpad is not mechanical * Finger print login is useful I'd really love a proper "pro" macbook pro, that sacrificed a bit of the thin-and-lightness for an actual professional level of stuff (better cooling, more ports, bigger battery, no touchbar)
- SCdF 8y ago
  To clarify, are you saying that your 3 year old 2015 laptop has, today, better battery life than your new 2018 laptop? That's mad...
  - kylec 8y ago
    The 2015 15" had a 100Wh battery, the 2018 has an 83Wh battery. The 2015 gets better battery life because it has 20% more battery capacity.
    - giovannibajo1 8y ago
      That would make sense if they had the same hardware. Different hardware absorbs different current. You cannot deduce anything from battery size.
      - nikanj 8y ago
        I've had the pleasure of upgrading from a 2015 to a 2017. The battery life on the latter is definitely worse, no matter what the official specs say.
        thebooktocome 8y ago
        I concur.
        saagarjha 8y ago
brian-armstrong 8y ago
Well, there's no way that's going to happen. I'd put more money on them replacing all the mechanical keys with capactive touch and removing the headphone jack.
- forgot-my-pw 8y ago
  I'm considering getting a Dell XPS or Lenovo Ideapad instead and install macos (hackintosh laptop).
  - ENGNR 8y ago
    I had a Dell XPS 9530 and the support was an absolute disaster. The techs had no idea (all local contractors I’d imagine), they fried the power, WiFi and incorrectly applied the thermal paste so it never worked properly After just one year I tried to get more support and they said I’d have to send it in for three weeks which was impossible, I was using it every day. Onsite support was only for the first year, whereas apple stores you can just walk into Finally the warranty ended and I decided to fix the damn thing myself. Was extremely careful and it was perfect for about a week, then the power somehow failed and it now refuses to turn on. Windows is also horrible for coding due to heavy file system use, fat threads and windows defender, let alone the constant privacy invasion. Was planning to install Ubuntu but figured if I ever did send it in it would just confuse them all the more I finally got an MBP 2015, should have done it from the beginning.
    - philliphaydon 8y ago
      I was agreeing with your post until you went off on your windows rant of fud.
    - nickthemagicman 8y ago
      Yeah I agree. I have an XPS and it's cool but despite the MacBooks faults I still enjoy using it over the XPS.
    - jmkni 8y ago
      Weird, I have the 9550 and had the opposite support experience. It did have a couple of issues, but each time Dell had a guy out at my house the following day with replacement parts, no charge, no questions asked. I purchased the extended support once the warranty expires, so have another 2 or so years left on that.
ppeetteerr 8y ago
You're not the first to say this but it's never going to happen. Apple is not going back. USB-C, smaller batteries, et al.
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foobarian 8y ago
And and and 64GB of RAM. Or at least 32!
- spockz 8y ago
  The 2018 model is upgradable to 32gb.
danieldk 8y ago
My personal computer is a 2015 and my work is a 2017, and there are zero features from the 2017 that I prefer. 4k@60Hz. The MacBook Pro 2015 with Intel Iris (I don't know about the Radeon GPU) only supports 4k@30Hz, which is terrible. (My wife has the 1st gen MacBook 12", which has the same downside.)
- nik736 8y ago
  My 2017 13-inch nTB MBP is running 4k@60Hz just fine.
- ianhowson 8y ago
  > only supports 4k@30Hz, which is terrible Are you using the HDMI port? I'm using a 2015 with Iris and can run 4k@60Hz through the mini-DP. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 shows that both 13" and 15" from 2015 should support 4k@60Hz.
- subraizada3 8y ago
  I recently bought a used 2013 MBP; while Apple specs say it can only do 4k@30, the DisplayPort output is in fact capable of 4k@60.
  - yhoiseth 8y ago
    Do you have to tweak anything to achieve this?
    - subraizada3 8y ago
      No, it worked out of the box on the 15" model. The GPU must have a HDMI 2.0 output for 4k@60, and this is usually not present on all but the most recent laptops, producing the 30 Hz limitation. On the other hand, DisplayPort 1.2 supports 4k@60. This is built into the Thunderbolt 2 ports on Macs, so as long as the GPU supports DP 1.2 it will work. On my MBP (15"), the DP(Thunderbolt) + HDMI ports are wired directly to the Nvidia GPU. Parent mentioned his computer only had the Intel Iris graphics (13" model), which apparently can't do 4k@60 (so my previous comment was incorrect :( ).
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kevinherron 8y ago
I prefer everything about my 2018 to the 2012-2015 generation, keyboard included, but I can see how the lack of ports would be a bummer to some people. I hook it up to a dock and LG 5K at work though, so it's not an issue.
shams93 8y ago
This is why I upgraded from a 2010 thinpad to a 2017 macbook air. Sure for a designer this screen might suck but I do music and web development. Turns out having usb A ports built in is very very handy when you can just plug your DJ and midi controllers straight into the laptop instead of diving into dongle hell. It still has the amazing magnetic charger, sure not usb C but its more robust when you're playing a live show compared to a small, potentially easy to break usb c slot when you're playing in a nightclub with poor lighting where its easy for someone to step on your power cable by mistake.
- coder543 8y ago
  The display in the 2017 MBA is atrocious, and the processors are really old at this point. USB-C is better than magsafe at this point, because charger interchangeability is amazing, and it doesn't lock into laptops like the old barrel jack connectors. It lets go when needed without damage in my experience. Durability hasn't been a problem on a single USB-C device that I own. Do you not think smartphones get abused more than laptops? Yet the port continues working fine. Why not just get a decent Windows laptop, if you want nice port selection? The X1 Carbon is incredible, while Dell, Microsoft, and more offer yet other options. If you truly love MagSafe, the Microsoft Surface series offers magnetic charge connectors, good displays, and regular USB. If you wanted a laptop from 2014, there were plenty of ways to get one without paying Apple their premium price.
  - sokoloff 8y ago
    It's not just about port durability. USB-C disengages easier than barrel jacks, but it's still often enough to pull the laptop off the desk/table. Magsafe 1&2 let go without moving the laptop much, meaning it's very unlikely to be knocked off.
    - coder543 8y ago
      If someone is that concerned, Amazon is full of magnetic breakaway adapters for USB-C, bringing MagSafe into the USB-C era. I also mentioned the Surface, which uses a MagSafe-like connector.
DonHopkins 8y ago
Stuff all that new hardware into an old Lombard case, with two removable battery bays (10 hours of life on a pair, and hot swappable) and great airflow, and I'd be happy as a clam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G3#PowerBook_G3_Series_(Bronze_Keyboard,_Lombard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G3#PowerBook_G3_Seri...
- dylan604 8y ago
  That was my first laptop. I had a spare battery and the DVD that could be swapped out as well. I even had an Orinoco Gold express card for wifi. Built an antenna from a Pringles can to go war driving with that guy too. Fond memories, but there are not so fond memories of it weighing like 50lbs or something. I know I exaggerate, but the newer models really feel like a feather in comparison.
tokyodude 8y ago
My faith in Apple would be redeemed if they actually lived up to their hype. LG makes 15inch metal cased laptop that weights 2.1 lbs (specs similar to a 15" MBP but weighs less then a Macbook Air). Apple should be able to do the same. I also recently got a 2018 MBA to try replace my 2014 MBP but unfortunately my eyes suck so 13 inches is turning out to be an issue. It's not enough screen space to do my normal dev without having to be constantly opening and closing panes. Examples would be trying to us VSCode with 2 panes and the project panel open. The 2 panes are two small so I have to keep opening and closing the project panel anytime I want to switch files. Another example is trying to debug JavaScript I need both the page and the devtools visible and there just isn't enough screen real estate to do it comfortably. Jacking up the scaled rez to 1680 mode I get my space back but my eyes aren't good enough to focus at that rez It is also super notably slower than my 2014 MBP. As an example if I run pretty much any WebGL page and try to view a detailed PDF in another window in the browser it's practically unusable. My 2014 MBP had no issues multi-tasking. Also connect it to a 30inch 4k monitor at my office and it just doesn't feel up do it. Just switching apps often takes long enough it feels super sluggish. If Apple would get rid of the touch bar I'd have gotten the MBP again though am really loving the weight so really disappointed Apple can't match or beat LG in that.
diogenescynic 8y ago
They really need to stop gauging for memory upgrades. It’s honestly obscene what they charge to get a bigger hard drive.
- lostgame 8y ago
  It's more obscene that they negatively impact the environment and artificially limit the lifespan of the devices by soldering the memory and the hard drive.
bonestamp2 8y ago
I'm 2015 and 2018 and I generally agree... with one exception, the 2018 is a little lighter which I do prefer. But, I'd go back in a heartbeat if that meant I could have the better keyboard and some more universal ports. Yes, I'll use USB-C for a lot of stuff and continue to buy new USB-C devices. But that zero-year transition time was a little short.
allenleein 8y ago
Totally agree. I upgraded my mid-2014 Macbook Pro with new battery and SM961 SSD. Now I feel like Steve Jobs is back.
hvs 8y ago
A few guys at work got the new MBP and I've heard nothing but complaints (and one return due to a defective unit). My personal MBP circa 2014 is still chugging along wonderfully and will probably continue to do so until Apple comes up with something better.
dougdonohoe 8y ago
I have an early 2009 17" mac book pro - still the best one out there. Running great (now on an SSD), although stuck at El Capitan. On 2nd display and 3rd battery, but still humming along. Wish they'd bring back the 17", with tons of ports and no touch bar.
- Tepix 8y ago
  There are patches for the OS if you want to run something more recent.
Patrick_Devine 8y ago
I accidentally dropped my work 2015 MBP a few months back and broke the screen. Actually, I'm not even certain the screen was dead, but the display wouldn't turn on any more. Unfortunately, work wouldn't let me keep/fix it (which is super annoying), but they did offer me the choice of a new MBP or a slightly loved older 2015 MBP. I chose the latter. For my home laptop, I'm finally getting around to replacing my mid-2009 MBP and decided to go with a Lenovo X1 Carbon Extreme. I'm so annoyed at Apple at this point that I figure it's time to go back and give Linux another shot.
- deafcalculus 8y ago
  Linux support on laptops is much more mature than it was 5 years ago. I'd still avoid anything with an nVidia Optimus setup, but Intel graphics has had decent drivers on Linux for a long time now. I was a little worried about hardware support, so I bought a Dell laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed. Pretty much everything worked out of the box. But my friends tell me that the Linux experience is good with other laptops too.
ryanbertrand 8y ago
I do enjoy having the TouchID but I can live without everything else on my 2017 MBP.
kilroy123 8y ago
I could not agree more! I want the glowing apple light on the back, to return though. FaceID on the Mac would be a cool addition. Lighter would be nice.
- dmitriid 8y ago
  > Lighter would be nice. It's already beyond the point of where "lighter would be nice". Now "lighter" only means "we'll take all the capabilities you care about and all the ports you need away". I wish Apple stopped with their obsession on "lighter and thinner".
  - goodoldneon 8y ago
    It comes down to preference. Personally, I love thinner and lighter. I like using a machine that feels premium.
  - kalleboo 8y ago
    I wish they differentiated the lines on the priority. Make the "MacBook" line super light (go ahead and introduce a 15" one too). Make the "MacBook Pro" line super performant.
- tobyhinloopen 8y ago
  Nooo don't make it lighter! I want it heavier! Put more batteries or cooling in it!
mikkelam 8y ago
Was that without the force touch trackpad? gotta say i enjoy that one more than the previous one, otherwise I agree
funkydata 8y ago
2010 17 inches Macbook Pro. This machine is a tank. Still using it. Still productive.
rdl 8y ago
I'd like to keep the TouchID without touchbar, but what I really want is shortpassword+touchid (failing back to longpassword) everywhere they currently only support longpaswordpassword||touchid.
mossplix 8y ago
I ditched the 2012 for a lenovo p50 with 8 cores and 32GB of Ram. I am never going back. I don't get the obsession with apple.
yodsanklai 8y ago
I'm happy with my MBP 2018. I'm neutral to the touch bar, keyboard, big touchpad. I don't see them neither as a nuisance nor a useful innovation. We can argue about details but it's a great machine. I don't see myself switching to a non-apple laptop yet.
- spiderfarmer 8y ago
  Did you 'upgrade' from a 2015 model? I'm asking because I still happily use that model and can't see myself switching just yet.
teekert 8y ago
I have an early 2011 mbp, swapped the hdd for an ssd, got 16 GB of Ram and a new battery and the only thing I'd like is a higher res screen. Other than that the thing is pretty perfect. As a bonus I can still read and burn DVDs.

nixpulvis 8y ago

Funny how true that is. While they are at it, make the new iPhone the 2019 iPhone and simply put the headphone jack back.

dylan604 8y ago
While I have not upgraded my 6S Plus because it has the headphone jack, it is hard to make a water tight device when the users keep asking for holes to be put into the case.
- arvinsim 8y ago
  Number of users asking for headphone jack >>> Users asking for waterproof phones. Besides, it’s not an excuse. Samsung can design a waterproof phone with headphone jack. Why can’t Apple?
  - lostgame 8y ago
    >> Number of users asking for headphone jack >>> Users asking for waterproof phones. As much I as a musician, who can't stand the unplayable latency of bluetooth headphones with any of my daily drivers, such as Garageband, and has invested in extremely high-quality headphones with cables, would take the headphone jack over a waterproof phone in a heartbeat; I have to say [citation needed]... That's a bold statement to make. While I'd prefer a headphone jack, due to my particular use case, most of my friends have or have no problem with using wireless headphones, and many of them have also lost phones or other electronics to even a small amount of water in the wrong place.
    - arvinsim 8y ago
      I went back home 2 weeks ago. My home is not part of the first world bubble that some people live in. Obviously this just anecdata but let me tell you that wireless headphones/earbuds have not even been a consideration for most people. Heck, even first world countries have lots of people still using wired earbuds for most use cases. I heard lots of grumbling about the loss of headphone jacks. I never even once heard someone say "this is not waterproof? I won't buy it!"
      - pokemongoaway 8y ago
        Yep! When are people going to realize leaders of Apple, Google, Amazon and the rest are not capitalists. They are corporatists. These are the same companies lobbying for more government control - they don't want to have to compete. So much leftist propaganda! NH has been full of negative reviews and common-sense explanations for better tech designs for years now, but still few here feel entitled as customers (and designers or engineers)! People are learning to distrust their own experience of the world and trust authority when they are told what people "actually prefer" - and then they start preferring it... Disgusting.
- binomialxenon 8y ago
  Samsung, LG, and others can make phones with both headphone jacks and water resistance, but that's obviously not the real reason that Apple removed it. (The iPad Pro is huge, not water resistant, and doesn't have one either.)

viburnum 8y ago

I'm using a 2012 retina and it's way better than anything they make now.

louisswiss 8y ago
I had been using a 2016 MBP at work and couldn't take it with me. Booted up my old 2011 MBP non-retina and it was painfully slow. 5min startup and a lot of programs completely unusable. Took me all of 10min to swap out the HDD for an SSD and 2x2gb RAM for 2x8gb RAM (and cost about $100). Now I don't notice any difference for normal web development/light design work between the new and old machines. Sure - the 2011 is a lot heavier and the screen is rubbish, but I love that keyboard and the trackpad is perfectly sized for me.
- your-nanny 8y ago
  I reaaaally like my 2012 nonretina MBP. except it's heavy and I bike to work

jSully24 8y ago

Yes! For our latest round of machines we bought for our team were refurbished 2015 MBPs. A great machine. (ed: spelling)

eksemplar 8y ago

I upgraded from a late 2015 to a 2018 earlier this fall. I don’t really miss anything, especially not the weight or the keyboard. The touchbar has never been of use to me though. It doesn’t annoy me much, but the user design for changing volume requires more clicks than the non touchbar, so it’s obviously terrible design. I don’t miss any of the ports, I thought I would, but it’s not like there was an Ethernet port so I still needed a dongle for the 2015 version. There’s certainly room for improvement, but the 512gb 13” version isn’t crazy expensive for what you’re getting compared to other laptops, at least not in my country.

simonbarker87 8y ago
Tap hold and slide for volume and brightness. It’s faster than the old keys.
- eksemplar 8y ago
  It’s terrible compared to the old way. You click the sound icon, then the slide opens up, then you can either slide it or click one of the two icons. It’s probably quicker to change the volume from one to ten this way, but 99% of my use cases for changing volume is for one or two steps, for which the slider absolutely sucks. It’s some of the worst design I’ve ever seen for volume control, and the old system is some of the best.
  - efrafa 8y ago
    You can just tap and slide at once. (Without releasing your finger) Its actually faster than with old buttons.
    - eksemplar 8y ago
      How is tapping and sliding easier than pressing a button once?
      - yakshaving_jgt 8y ago

ed_balls 8y ago

Agreed, I want my late 2014 13 inch Macbook Pro with the latest hardware. Also: - swap the SD port for UBC C (1 regular USB; 2 USB C) - move the microphone from the side next to the camera (when I'm talking to someone a slightest move makes loud noise for the other person) - round the front edge (next to the trackpad) - add 0.5mm "jump" ot the keys If someone would make that with OS X or Ubuntu I'd buy it on the spot.

kebman 8y ago

This. If I could give you more points, I would. Enough said. Also take back the old Final Cut Pro to really compete with Adobe, and some of the quality of life features they used to have, but oversimplified away.

unknownsavage 8y ago

I recently upgraded from the 2015 to the current gen. 2015 pros: * Better battery life * Way better keyboard * More robust * More useful port selection * Trackpad is a more reasonable size 2018 pros: * Way better speakers * Slightly better screen * Lighter * Faster * Trackpad is not mechanical * Finger print login is useful I'd really love a proper "pro" macbook pro, that sacrificed a bit of the thin-and-lightness for an actual professional level of stuff (better cooling, more ports, bigger battery, no touchbar)

SCdF 8y ago
To clarify, are you saying that your 3 year old 2015 laptop has, today, better battery life than your new 2018 laptop? That's mad...
- kylec 8y ago
  The 2015 15" had a 100Wh battery, the 2018 has an 83Wh battery. The 2015 gets better battery life because it has 20% more battery capacity.
  - giovannibajo1 8y ago
    That would make sense if they had the same hardware. Different hardware absorbs different current. You cannot deduce anything from battery size.
    - nikanj 8y ago
      I've had the pleasure of upgrading from a 2015 to a 2017. The battery life on the latter is definitely worse, no matter what the official specs say.
      - thebooktocome 8y ago
        I concur.
      - saagarjha 8y ago

brian-armstrong 8y ago

Well, there's no way that's going to happen. I'd put more money on them replacing all the mechanical keys with capactive touch and removing the headphone jack.

forgot-my-pw 8y ago
I'm considering getting a Dell XPS or Lenovo Ideapad instead and install macos (hackintosh laptop).
- ENGNR 8y ago
  I had a Dell XPS 9530 and the support was an absolute disaster. The techs had no idea (all local contractors I’d imagine), they fried the power, WiFi and incorrectly applied the thermal paste so it never worked properly After just one year I tried to get more support and they said I’d have to send it in for three weeks which was impossible, I was using it every day. Onsite support was only for the first year, whereas apple stores you can just walk into Finally the warranty ended and I decided to fix the damn thing myself. Was extremely careful and it was perfect for about a week, then the power somehow failed and it now refuses to turn on. Windows is also horrible for coding due to heavy file system use, fat threads and windows defender, let alone the constant privacy invasion. Was planning to install Ubuntu but figured if I ever did send it in it would just confuse them all the more I finally got an MBP 2015, should have done it from the beginning.
  - philliphaydon 8y ago
    I was agreeing with your post until you went off on your windows rant of fud.
  - nickthemagicman 8y ago
    Yeah I agree. I have an XPS and it's cool but despite the MacBooks faults I still enjoy using it over the XPS.
  - jmkni 8y ago
    Weird, I have the 9550 and had the opposite support experience. It did have a couple of issues, but each time Dell had a guy out at my house the following day with replacement parts, no charge, no questions asked. I purchased the extended support once the warranty expires, so have another 2 or so years left on that.

ppeetteerr 8y ago

You're not the first to say this but it's never going to happen. Apple is not going back. USB-C, smaller batteries, et al.

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foobarian 8y ago

And and and 64GB of RAM. Or at least 32!

spockz 8y ago
The 2018 model is upgradable to 32gb.

danieldk 8y ago

My personal computer is a 2015 and my work is a 2017, and there are zero features from the 2017 that I prefer. 4k@60Hz. The MacBook Pro 2015 with Intel Iris (I don't know about the Radeon GPU) only supports 4k@30Hz, which is terrible. (My wife has the 1st gen MacBook 12", which has the same downside.)

nik736 8y ago
My 2017 13-inch nTB MBP is running 4k@60Hz just fine.
ianhowson 8y ago
> only supports 4k@30Hz, which is terrible Are you using the HDMI port? I'm using a 2015 with Iris and can run 4k@60Hz through the mini-DP. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587 shows that both 13" and 15" from 2015 should support 4k@60Hz.
subraizada3 8y ago
I recently bought a used 2013 MBP; while Apple specs say it can only do 4k@30, the DisplayPort output is in fact capable of 4k@60.
- yhoiseth 8y ago
  Do you have to tweak anything to achieve this?
  - subraizada3 8y ago
    No, it worked out of the box on the 15" model. The GPU must have a HDMI 2.0 output for 4k@60, and this is usually not present on all but the most recent laptops, producing the 30 Hz limitation. On the other hand, DisplayPort 1.2 supports 4k@60. This is built into the Thunderbolt 2 ports on Macs, so as long as the GPU supports DP 1.2 it will work. On my MBP (15"), the DP(Thunderbolt) + HDMI ports are wired directly to the Nvidia GPU. Parent mentioned his computer only had the Intel Iris graphics (13" model), which apparently can't do 4k@60 (so my previous comment was incorrect :( ).

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kevinherron 8y ago

I prefer everything about my 2018 to the 2012-2015 generation, keyboard included, but I can see how the lack of ports would be a bummer to some people. I hook it up to a dock and LG 5K at work though, so it's not an issue.

shams93 8y ago

This is why I upgraded from a 2010 thinpad to a 2017 macbook air. Sure for a designer this screen might suck but I do music and web development. Turns out having usb A ports built in is very very handy when you can just plug your DJ and midi controllers straight into the laptop instead of diving into dongle hell. It still has the amazing magnetic charger, sure not usb C but its more robust when you're playing a live show compared to a small, potentially easy to break usb c slot when you're playing in a nightclub with poor lighting where its easy for someone to step on your power cable by mistake.

coder543 8y ago
The display in the 2017 MBA is atrocious, and the processors are really old at this point. USB-C is better than magsafe at this point, because charger interchangeability is amazing, and it doesn't lock into laptops like the old barrel jack connectors. It lets go when needed without damage in my experience. Durability hasn't been a problem on a single USB-C device that I own. Do you not think smartphones get abused more than laptops? Yet the port continues working fine. Why not just get a decent Windows laptop, if you want nice port selection? The X1 Carbon is incredible, while Dell, Microsoft, and more offer yet other options. If you truly love MagSafe, the Microsoft Surface series offers magnetic charge connectors, good displays, and regular USB. If you wanted a laptop from 2014, there were plenty of ways to get one without paying Apple their premium price.
- sokoloff 8y ago
  It's not just about port durability. USB-C disengages easier than barrel jacks, but it's still often enough to pull the laptop off the desk/table. Magsafe 1&2 let go without moving the laptop much, meaning it's very unlikely to be knocked off.
  - coder543 8y ago
    If someone is that concerned, Amazon is full of magnetic breakaway adapters for USB-C, bringing MagSafe into the USB-C era. I also mentioned the Surface, which uses a MagSafe-like connector.

DonHopkins 8y ago

Stuff all that new hardware into an old Lombard case, with two removable battery bays (10 hours of life on a pair, and hot swappable) and great airflow, and I'd be happy as a clam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G3#PowerBook_G3_Series_(Bronze_Keyboard,_Lombard) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G3#PowerBook_G3_Seri...

dylan604 8y ago
That was my first laptop. I had a spare battery and the DVD that could be swapped out as well. I even had an Orinoco Gold express card for wifi. Built an antenna from a Pringles can to go war driving with that guy too. Fond memories, but there are not so fond memories of it weighing like 50lbs or something. I know I exaggerate, but the newer models really feel like a feather in comparison.

tokyodude 8y ago

My faith in Apple would be redeemed if they actually lived up to their hype. LG makes 15inch metal cased laptop that weights 2.1 lbs (specs similar to a 15" MBP but weighs less then a Macbook Air). Apple should be able to do the same. I also recently got a 2018 MBA to try replace my 2014 MBP but unfortunately my eyes suck so 13 inches is turning out to be an issue. It's not enough screen space to do my normal dev without having to be constantly opening and closing panes. Examples would be trying to us VSCode with 2 panes and the project panel open. The 2 panes are two small so I have to keep opening and closing the project panel anytime I want to switch files. Another example is trying to debug JavaScript I need both the page and the devtools visible and there just isn't enough screen real estate to do it comfortably. Jacking up the scaled rez to 1680 mode I get my space back but my eyes aren't good enough to focus at that rez It is also super notably slower than my 2014 MBP. As an example if I run pretty much any WebGL page and try to view a detailed PDF in another window in the browser it's practically unusable. My 2014 MBP had no issues multi-tasking. Also connect it to a 30inch 4k monitor at my office and it just doesn't feel up do it. Just switching apps often takes long enough it feels super sluggish. If Apple would get rid of the touch bar I'd have gotten the MBP again though am really loving the weight so really disappointed Apple can't match or beat LG in that.

diogenescynic 8y ago

They really need to stop gauging for memory upgrades. It’s honestly obscene what they charge to get a bigger hard drive.

lostgame 8y ago
It's more obscene that they negatively impact the environment and artificially limit the lifespan of the devices by soldering the memory and the hard drive.

bonestamp2 8y ago

I'm 2015 and 2018 and I generally agree... with one exception, the 2018 is a little lighter which I do prefer. But, I'd go back in a heartbeat if that meant I could have the better keyboard and some more universal ports. Yes, I'll use USB-C for a lot of stuff and continue to buy new USB-C devices. But that zero-year transition time was a little short.

allenleein 8y ago

Totally agree. I upgraded my mid-2014 Macbook Pro with new battery and SM961 SSD. Now I feel like Steve Jobs is back.

hvs 8y ago

A few guys at work got the new MBP and I've heard nothing but complaints (and one return due to a defective unit). My personal MBP circa 2014 is still chugging along wonderfully and will probably continue to do so until Apple comes up with something better.

dougdonohoe 8y ago

I have an early 2009 17" mac book pro - still the best one out there. Running great (now on an SSD), although stuck at El Capitan. On 2nd display and 3rd battery, but still humming along. Wish they'd bring back the 17", with tons of ports and no touch bar.

Tepix 8y ago
There are patches for the OS if you want to run something more recent.

Patrick_Devine 8y ago

I accidentally dropped my work 2015 MBP a few months back and broke the screen. Actually, I'm not even certain the screen was dead, but the display wouldn't turn on any more. Unfortunately, work wouldn't let me keep/fix it (which is super annoying), but they did offer me the choice of a new MBP or a slightly loved older 2015 MBP. I chose the latter. For my home laptop, I'm finally getting around to replacing my mid-2009 MBP and decided to go with a Lenovo X1 Carbon Extreme. I'm so annoyed at Apple at this point that I figure it's time to go back and give Linux another shot.

deafcalculus 8y ago
Linux support on laptops is much more mature than it was 5 years ago. I'd still avoid anything with an nVidia Optimus setup, but Intel graphics has had decent drivers on Linux for a long time now. I was a little worried about hardware support, so I bought a Dell laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed. Pretty much everything worked out of the box. But my friends tell me that the Linux experience is good with other laptops too.

ryanbertrand 8y ago

I do enjoy having the TouchID but I can live without everything else on my 2017 MBP.

kilroy123 8y ago

I could not agree more! I want the glowing apple light on the back, to return though. FaceID on the Mac would be a cool addition. Lighter would be nice.

dmitriid 8y ago
> Lighter would be nice. It's already beyond the point of where "lighter would be nice". Now "lighter" only means "we'll take all the capabilities you care about and all the ports you need away". I wish Apple stopped with their obsession on "lighter and thinner".
- goodoldneon 8y ago
  It comes down to preference. Personally, I love thinner and lighter. I like using a machine that feels premium.
- kalleboo 8y ago
  I wish they differentiated the lines on the priority. Make the "MacBook" line super light (go ahead and introduce a 15" one too). Make the "MacBook Pro" line super performant.
tobyhinloopen 8y ago
Nooo don't make it lighter! I want it heavier! Put more batteries or cooling in it!

mikkelam 8y ago

Was that without the force touch trackpad? gotta say i enjoy that one more than the previous one, otherwise I agree

funkydata 8y ago

2010 17 inches Macbook Pro. This machine is a tank. Still using it. Still productive.

rdl 8y ago

I'd like to keep the TouchID without touchbar, but what I really want is shortpassword+touchid (failing back to longpassword) everywhere they currently only support longpaswordpassword||touchid.

mossplix 8y ago

I ditched the 2012 for a lenovo p50 with 8 cores and 32GB of Ram. I am never going back. I don't get the obsession with apple.

yodsanklai 8y ago

I'm happy with my MBP 2018. I'm neutral to the touch bar, keyboard, big touchpad. I don't see them neither as a nuisance nor a useful innovation. We can argue about details but it's a great machine. I don't see myself switching to a non-apple laptop yet.

spiderfarmer 8y ago
Did you 'upgrade' from a 2015 model? I'm asking because I still happily use that model and can't see myself switching just yet.

teekert 8y ago

I have an early 2011 mbp, swapped the hdd for an ssd, got 16 GB of Ram and a new battery and the only thing I'd like is a higher res screen. Other than that the thing is pretty perfect. As a bonus I can still read and burn DVDs.