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IllumiPaper: Illuminated Interactive Paper

65 points by BerislavLopac 8y ago

johnhenry 8y ago
Demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZmPzI0D2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZmPzI0D2Q
- Gys 8y ago
  Is that really a computer generated voice-over ? And if so, why ?!
  - michelb 8y ago
    Cheaper, faster, but horrible to listen to.
  - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
    Doing voice overs takes a bit of talent and a lot of practice. Using a CG voice over is cheap low effort even if low quality.
    - gregschlom 8y ago
      Also, authors may not be native English speakers, which makes it even harder
      - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
        There is that. Self confidence also plays a huge role. Some people can’t standard hearing their own voice and can’t find anyone else willing to do it (or are too shy to ask). You’ll find a lot of these people inn CS research who think CG voice is an easy way out of that anxiety.
monkmartinez 8y ago
How or why is this better than an iPad with the Apple Pencil? It had better be wayyyy less expensive or better in every aspect otherwise it is dead in the water, imo.
- delinka 8y ago
  Looks like publication of research, not a product.
- yourapostasy 8y ago
  Perhaps this make sense for those limited markets where the setting is too hazardous or theft-prone for even the cheapest tablets, but digitizing form data for streamlined and accurate ingestion is still highly desired? I'm thinking maybe situations like food ordering screens in a sports stadium, conducting surveys with masses of people, medical intake for disaster-relief or indigent populations, refugee intake and administration, etc. Basically anywhere you want the loss of some of these "hardcoded tablets" isn't an undue burden on a constrained budget, or the hardcoded nature of the device itself deters theft. They don't go into sufficient detail on how they solved battery and wireless communication, as far as i could find out from the video (site itself seems hugged to death at the moment). If those components are the "backing" of this illuminated paper, then that might make sense; I could see those be thin enough to be inexpensive, yet reusable enough to not be an environmental concern.
sebst 8y ago
SCNR, but this is the most German thing I've found on hacker news for a long time. I can hardly come up with a use case, for which this would be a better fit than just a tablet. Disclaimer: I'm German ;)
amelius 8y ago
Solution looking for a problem ...
pacificmint 8y ago
In 2001 Wired had an article about a company making a pen that could read microdots on paper while you are writing. It would then be able to uniquely identify the paper that you wrote on and correlate what you wrote with, for example, the form you wrote it on. I'd wondered a few times what happened to that company (Anoto), thinking they are probably long gone. Turns out they are around, and the pen they are using in this article is actually one of their models. Not sure if it is still using the microdot idea though. [1] https://www.wired.com/2001/04/anoto/ https://www.wired.com/2001/04/anoto/
- app4soft 8y ago
  > In 2001 Wired had an article about a company making a pen that could read microdots on paper while you are writing. It would then be able to uniquely identify the paper that you wrote on and correlate what you wrote with, for example, the form you wrote it on. /me know that some laser printers use same type of steganography
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- ericcholis 8y ago
  Anoto was mentioned at around https://youtu.be/u5ZmPzI0D2Q?t=63 https://youtu.be/u5ZmPzI0D2Q?t=63 in their demo video
- ilikehurdles 8y ago
  Livescribe makes/made a product that did this. I used it back in 07-09.
- raphman 8y ago
  Someone (CJ Wilson) has written about Anoto's path several times: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/eight-reasons-why-anoto-digital-pens-have-been-failure-cj-wilson https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/eight-reasons-why-anoto-digit... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/anoto-late-2017-update-analysis-cj-wilson https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/anoto-late-2017-update-analys...
onemoresoop 8y ago
First thought I had when I saw the paper: it could be used to enhance board games.

65 points by BerislavLopac 8y ago

johnhenry 8y ago

Demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZmPzI0D2Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZmPzI0D2Q

Gys 8y ago
Is that really a computer generated voice-over ? And if so, why ?!
- michelb 8y ago
  Cheaper, faster, but horrible to listen to.
- seanmcdirmid 8y ago
  Doing voice overs takes a bit of talent and a lot of practice. Using a CG voice over is cheap low effort even if low quality.
  - gregschlom 8y ago
    Also, authors may not be native English speakers, which makes it even harder
    - seanmcdirmid 8y ago
      There is that. Self confidence also plays a huge role. Some people can’t standard hearing their own voice and can’t find anyone else willing to do it (or are too shy to ask). You’ll find a lot of these people inn CS research who think CG voice is an easy way out of that anxiety.

monkmartinez 8y ago

How or why is this better than an iPad with the Apple Pencil? It had better be wayyyy less expensive or better in every aspect otherwise it is dead in the water, imo.

delinka 8y ago
Looks like publication of research, not a product.
yourapostasy 8y ago
Perhaps this make sense for those limited markets where the setting is too hazardous or theft-prone for even the cheapest tablets, but digitizing form data for streamlined and accurate ingestion is still highly desired? I'm thinking maybe situations like food ordering screens in a sports stadium, conducting surveys with masses of people, medical intake for disaster-relief or indigent populations, refugee intake and administration, etc. Basically anywhere you want the loss of some of these "hardcoded tablets" isn't an undue burden on a constrained budget, or the hardcoded nature of the device itself deters theft. They don't go into sufficient detail on how they solved battery and wireless communication, as far as i could find out from the video (site itself seems hugged to death at the moment). If those components are the "backing" of this illuminated paper, then that might make sense; I could see those be thin enough to be inexpensive, yet reusable enough to not be an environmental concern.

sebst 8y ago

SCNR, but this is the most German thing I've found on hacker news for a long time. I can hardly come up with a use case, for which this would be a better fit than just a tablet. Disclaimer: I'm German ;)

amelius 8y ago

Solution looking for a problem ...

pacificmint 8y ago

In 2001 Wired had an article about a company making a pen that could read microdots on paper while you are writing. It would then be able to uniquely identify the paper that you wrote on and correlate what you wrote with, for example, the form you wrote it on. I'd wondered a few times what happened to that company (Anoto), thinking they are probably long gone. Turns out they are around, and the pen they are using in this article is actually one of their models. Not sure if it is still using the microdot idea though. [1] https://www.wired.com/2001/04/anoto/ https://www.wired.com/2001/04/anoto/

app4soft 8y ago
> In 2001 Wired had an article about a company making a pen that could read microdots on paper while you are writing. It would then be able to uniquely identify the paper that you wrote on and correlate what you wrote with, for example, the form you wrote it on. /me know that some laser printers use same type of steganography
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ericcholis 8y ago
Anoto was mentioned at around https://youtu.be/u5ZmPzI0D2Q?t=63 https://youtu.be/u5ZmPzI0D2Q?t=63 in their demo video
ilikehurdles 8y ago
Livescribe makes/made a product that did this. I used it back in 07-09.
raphman 8y ago
Someone (CJ Wilson) has written about Anoto's path several times: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/eight-reasons-why-anoto-digital-pens-have-been-failure-cj-wilson https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/eight-reasons-why-anoto-digit... https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/anoto-late-2017-update-analysis-cj-wilson https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/anoto-late-2017-update-analys...

onemoresoop 8y ago

First thought I had when I saw the paper: it could be used to enhance board games.