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Singapore to test facial recognition on lampposts, stoking privacy fears
- lifeisstillgood 8y agoWell that won't work, lampposts don't have faces... (sorry could not resist)
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- shekspeer 8y agoHeadline editor had one job.
- lfx 8y agoI'm wondering if the system can track people with face masks (like one in the article picture)? And if they can track people who were recognized and later put on the mask and vice versa. That would be really scary.
- 14 8y agoSince it came up here the other week China is able to track people based on the way they walk, my guess is a mask may help but unless you can change your mannerisms while you have the mask on it won't help long.
- RavlaAvlar 8y agoThey might not be able to recognise, but they can definitely track you.
- blackstrips 8y agoAssuming the network has no blind spots people could hide into change their appearance.
- dawhizkid 8y agoI see an opportunity to create an apparel or accessory line to hide you from being recognized by facial recognition software
- baddestpoet 8y agohttps://cvdazzle.com/ https://cvdazzle.com/ has got you covered.
- hvidgaard 8y agoIt's like all those futuristic manga comics was ahead of the fashion.
- ericdykstra 8y agoOther research has that covered https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4063065/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4063065/
- bagacrap 8y agoYes that will definitely help you blend into the crowd.
- androidgirl 8y agoI've been meaning to put some bright IR LEDs on my glasses for some time now.
- zhte415 8y ago"Yes we can so this", technically, facial recognition is now there. "Why are we doing this?" Singapore is an already incredibly safe place with pride in the effectiveness of the rule of law. The screenshot, as captioned: > SenseTime surveillance software identifying details about people and vehicles runs as a demonstration at the company's office in Beijing, China, October 11, 2017. REUTERS/Thomas Peter/File Photo Improve people's lives how? > plan to use cutting-edge technology to improve people’s lives and has pledged to be sensitive to privacy All of this is possible without using personally identifiable information. > The government also hopes to use other sensors on the lamp posts to monitor air quality and water levels, count electric scooters in public places, and collect footfall data to aid urban and transport planning, GovTech said. Should a European citizen visit Singapore, would this be GDPR compliant?
- AmericanChopper 8y ago>Should a European citizen visit Singapore, would this be GDPR compliant? I’m sure Singapore doesn’t care. The truth about Singapore is that it pretty much is a police state, which has pretty extensive restrictions on individual freedoms. But... they do actually deliver on the supposed benefits of organising a society in that manner. Singapore is safe, clean and orderly. I wouldn’t say that’s the best way to run a country, but Singapore does mostly make it work.
- anoncoward111 8y agoAnd yet crime still does occur, and lifestyle choices are severely punished by jail, death, loss of career and loss of residency. And by lifestyle choices I mean being gay, smoking weed, or being Malay. I would quite literally live in any Chinese city before chosing Singapore. At least China would be cheaper.
- rorykoehler 8y agoBeing Malay? Explain please
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- Zarath 8y agoWorst part is, you can't just go and destroy them because they will know who did it.
- kkarakk 8y agodeploy jammer in area/cut network lines to disrupt access before destroying infrastructure
- dmos62 8y agoWhat would be a jammer in this case? Is there or will there be such widely available technology?
- goatsi 8y agoWear a mask?
- mbel 8y agoAnd obviously dance all the way to fool gait recognition.
- mikejb 8y agoDepending on coverage, this might not be enough. People with masks can be tracked as well. E.g.: At some point, persons A, B and C enter an area without surveillance; Person B and C come out, A remains unseen but new person X comes out, wearing a mask. Even if they all don't leave during the period when X is out destroying government property, the problem is reduced from finding the needle in a haystack to identifying a ~1.75m lean person with a brisk walk, blue Sneakers and specific political views out of a relatively small set of individuals.
- matthewmacleod 8y agoHonestly my experience with facial recognition suggests that it has about a 50% chance of doing that so maybe not such a risk.
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- sveme 8y agoSomeone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist, will always be able to do that. There might be a race between the recognition software and the circumvention technology, but a dedicated individual will always be able to avoid that. Normal people without any criminal, terrorist or activist intentions will be victims of this massive surveillance. I would actually hazard the guess that it will be easier for a dedicated individual to circumvent automated surveillance than the current status quo, being observed by individuals. A smart circumvention device will not be identified as such by a surveillance system, however, a human observer will. Regardless of circumvention possibilities, the ultimate aim of these ubiquitous surveillance systems isn't really reducing crime, but social engineering: create a panopticon, an all-observing system, and the population that knows this will avoid potentially incriminating behavior in the first place. A system designed to make people censor themselves and self-reduce their social degrees of freedom.
- coldtea 8y ago>Someone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist, will always be able to do that. Tons of political activists (and of course tons of criminals too) have been caught by way simpler and easier to trick methods.
- dmos62 8y ago> Someone that does not want to be tracked by facial or gait recognition, either because he's a criminal or a political activist, will always be able to do that I wouldn't be so sure. How well can you control your stance or manner of walking for example? Someone (human) trained to differentiate authors of handwritten text can often still do so even if an author is actively trying to write differently. I think ML is great for comparing these highly subtle traits.
- odessacubbage 8y agoa wheelchair seems like an easy bypass, albeit one with very specific use.
- bitwize 8y agoSingapore's government is one of, more or less, benign authoritarianism. Should we expect privacy in such a place?
- sbhn 8y agoIt doesn’t matter if it works or not. What matters is that the presence of surveillance creates an impression that you are in some sort of danger, and the syphoning of public money in the name of security is justified and can continue to happen with minimal scrutiny
- liftbigweights 8y agoAlso it creates an overbearing psychological impact on people like big brother's telescreens in 1984. Slavery is freedom.
- voldacar 8y agoWhat is it with Singapore and totalitarianism
- nine_k 8y agoSensors on lamp posts is straight from Deus Ex (game of the year 1999). We live in an increasingly cyberpunk future; I wonder how many other predictions will turn true soon.
- greendestiny_re 8y agoBlack-box attacks using specially crafted glasses that can mess up the facial recognition software already exist, leading to invisibility and/or misclassification. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sbhagava/papers/face-rec-ccs16.pdf https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sbhagava/papers/face-rec-ccs16.pdf "In this work, we show how to perform invisibility attacks while attempting to maintain plausible deniability through the use of facial accessories. We defer the examination of the physical realizability of these attacks to future work." "In this paper, we demonstrated techniques for generating accessories in the form of eyeglass frames that, when printed and worn, can effectively fool state-of-the-art face-recognition systems."