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Flagged comment is correct. Gas cars are still superior for actual normal use. The issue is, as long as electric are priced above or similar to conventional car

Flagged comment is correct. Gas cars are still superior for actual normal use. The issue is, as long as electric are priced above or similar to conventional cars, is and will continue to be, superior demand. Electrics are for the well to do only still in most areas. I say that as someone who would love an ecar, but find them both unaffordable, and mildly unsuitable for the driving I do regularly. But this is not a shiny metro-dwelling sentiment, so I suspect this comment, dispite being useful and relevant, will end up the same. A plea: There are people outside cities. Lots of them. Stop pretending we don't exist, and calling us rednecks/flyover/etc. Its become a staple of HN and getting worse. It makes me sick to read the comments sometimes. We grow your food, build your infrastructure, but get no empathy when we have no internet access. Its bigotry plain and simple, and rampant here. Usually stated in cowardly downvotes rather than reasoned debate to perserve image. I fully think you should be required to respond, or upvote a response, before downvoting. It would surface the real bias entrenched here.

maxerickson 8y ago
The comment is dead because all comments posted by the account are posted as dead. It isn't flagged at the moment. Try to leave the whinging about your comment getting flagged or whatever out.
- anoncoward111 8y ago
  I can't see the comment and I desire to. OP is not whining, imo, just using emotion to convey a point.
  - dgacmu 8y ago
    Go into your profile and set showdead to true. You're not missing much. Troll account.
  - jplayer01 8y ago
    All it says is "Nobody wants one is what's holding them back." I fail to see how this adds to the discussion in a meaningful way. Just a quick look at EV sales is enough to prove the idea that "nobody wants them" wrong. People do want them. There are plenty of reasons why other people don't want them and why market penetration is lagging and these need to be addressed, but it's not a lost cause by any means.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    "But this is not a shiny metro-dwelling sentiment, so I suspect this comment, dispite being useful and relevant, will end up the same." That's whinging, plain as day.
rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
>The issue is, as long as electric are priced above or similar to conventional cars, is and will continue to be, superior demand. Tesla's sales prove you wrong: people are already replacing their current ICEs with higher-priced EV, although on a /km basis, the Model 3 is already cheaper than an equivalent ICE (e.g the BMW Series 3). We just need Tesla to ramp up its production and introduce economy models, and the other manufacturers to try to compete. I am not saying that you can buy a low-cost EV for your needs/budget, but that your first 3 assertions are plainly false.
- pjc50 8y ago
  > people are already replacing their current ICEs with higher-priced EV Some people are, but only the non-cost-sensitive or people with specific use patterns - e.g. Priuses became incredibly popular as taxis.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
    Not "some people". Enough people for the Model 3 to be the #1 best selling cars in the US in $, and the #4 most popular car across all categories (from subcompact to luxury) and types (ICE, plugins & EV). BMW & Mercedes car sales are now plummeting in the US.
    - ianai 8y ago
      First I’ve heard that. Link?
      - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
        Mercedes: http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/MB%20october%202018.JPG http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/MB%20oct... (these shows both cars and SUV) For the big pictures on the Telsa/BMW/Mercedes segment, check this out: https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/hYZ1J/8/ https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/hYZ1J/8/ (it stops at August, but know that they sold 22.5K Model 3 in September) Edit: for BMW, I found this >Here's the number breakdown: BMW sold 14,450 passenger cars in the U.S. market in August. This number includes sales from compact crossovers like the X1 and X2 as well. That's a 13.5 percent decrease in car sales from August 2017. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/06/tesla-model-3-outsells-entire-bmw-car-lineup/ https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/06/tesla-model-3-outsells-e... That is for August too, so this has probably worsen since then.
pjc50 8y ago
> There are people outside cities. Lots of them. Stop pretending we don't exist, and calling us rednecks/flyover/etc. Its become a staple of HN and getting worse. Spillover from the culture war, sadly. So long as you're prepared to make it a two-way street and understand urban problems and environments, things needn't be this way. It's probably related to how many far-right politicians seem to come from the more rural states.

maxerickson 8y ago

The comment is dead because all comments posted by the account are posted as dead. It isn't flagged at the moment. Try to leave the whinging about your comment getting flagged or whatever out.

anoncoward111 8y ago
I can't see the comment and I desire to. OP is not whining, imo, just using emotion to convey a point.
- dgacmu 8y ago
  Go into your profile and set showdead to true. You're not missing much. Troll account.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  All it says is "Nobody wants one is what's holding them back." I fail to see how this adds to the discussion in a meaningful way. Just a quick look at EV sales is enough to prove the idea that "nobody wants them" wrong. People do want them. There are plenty of reasons why other people don't want them and why market penetration is lagging and these need to be addressed, but it's not a lost cause by any means.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  "But this is not a shiny metro-dwelling sentiment, so I suspect this comment, dispite being useful and relevant, will end up the same." That's whinging, plain as day.

rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago

>The issue is, as long as electric are priced above or similar to conventional cars, is and will continue to be, superior demand. Tesla's sales prove you wrong: people are already replacing their current ICEs with higher-priced EV, although on a /km basis, the Model 3 is already cheaper than an equivalent ICE (e.g the BMW Series 3). We just need Tesla to ramp up its production and introduce economy models, and the other manufacturers to try to compete. I am not saying that you can buy a low-cost EV for your needs/budget, but that your first 3 assertions are plainly false.

pjc50 8y ago
> people are already replacing their current ICEs with higher-priced EV Some people are, but only the non-cost-sensitive or people with specific use patterns - e.g. Priuses became incredibly popular as taxis.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
  Not "some people". Enough people for the Model 3 to be the #1 best selling cars in the US in $, and the #4 most popular car across all categories (from subcompact to luxury) and types (ICE, plugins & EV). BMW & Mercedes car sales are now plummeting in the US.
  - ianai 8y ago
    First I’ve heard that. Link?
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 8y ago
      Mercedes: http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/MB%20october%202018.JPG http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/MB%20oct... (these shows both cars and SUV) For the big pictures on the Telsa/BMW/Mercedes segment, check this out: https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/hYZ1J/8/ https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/hYZ1J/8/ (it stops at August, but know that they sold 22.5K Model 3 in September) Edit: for BMW, I found this >Here's the number breakdown: BMW sold 14,450 passenger cars in the U.S. market in August. This number includes sales from compact crossovers like the X1 and X2 as well. That's a 13.5 percent decrease in car sales from August 2017. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/06/tesla-model-3-outsells-entire-bmw-car-lineup/ https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/06/tesla-model-3-outsells-e... That is for August too, so this has probably worsen since then.

pjc50 8y ago

> There are people outside cities. Lots of them. Stop pretending we don't exist, and calling us rednecks/flyover/etc. Its become a staple of HN and getting worse. Spillover from the culture war, sadly. So long as you're prepared to make it a two-way street and understand urban problems and environments, things needn't be this way. It's probably related to how many far-right politicians seem to come from the more rural states.