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I'm pretty happy with mine, but thanks for speaking for us all with your sweeping generalization.
by crad 8y ago
I'm pretty happy with mine, but thanks for speaking for us all with your sweeping generalization.
- pentae 8y agoI'm terribly unhappy with mine and so is everyone else I know, so i'm pretty pleased with it
- copperx 8y agoI like the Touchbar more than most of my other colleagues like the Touchbar. And I hate the Touchbar.
- phaus 8y agoI work at a company where most of us use Macs. Everyone that has upgraded from a 2013-2015 MBP to the touchbar model absolutely hates it, including me. There's gotta be someone around here that actually likes it, but I haven't met them yet. Its OK if you like it. I'm sure lots of people do, but you know damn well significantly more people have had issues with this laptop than normal, so I'm not sure why you're implying otherwise. The keyboard is by far the worst I've ever used, and I've owned a variety of $200 Wal-Mart black friday laptops and a couple of netbooks, in addition to some high end stuff. I had a friend with an older MBP attempt to show me something using my computer and he could barely type on it without frequent mistakes. Within a minute he was getting frustrated. It just feels terrible. I never thought anything would be worse than typing on a touch-screen but Apple's engineers have accomplished a horrifying miracle. Its like they intentionally tried to design something that's as loud as a mechanical keyboard while still having worse tactile feedback than a $5.00 rubber dome keyboard. On top of that, its not noticeably faster, after 4.5 years it still maxed out @ 16GB Ram (They fixed this in 2018 but its too late), which is not enough for my use case + it died after 3 months (Not the keyboard, it was a power issue). This is both the most expensive and the worst computer I've ever owned. The 2013 MBP I'm using now as a loaner while I get my new one fixed is, to quote Steve Jobs "Like getting a glass of ice water in hell." It just works.
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- reaperducer 8y agoThe touchbar made me realize that I have a habit of resting my fingers up there. I came to this realization because when I didn't think I was typing anything, stuff would happen. Eventually I realized I was touching virtual buttons on the touchbar. I don't hate it, but I wish more of the tools I use took advantage of it. I think it could be massively improved by shortening it a little on the left to make room for a physical escape key. That's about 95% of my problem with it.
- wild_preference 8y agoConsider mapping CapsLock to Esc (and Ctrl when long-pressed) with Karabiner. I haven't used my physical Esc key since 2014 or something. Might help with your issue.
- philwelch 8y agoYou don't need a third party tool; System Preferences does this for you already. (Maybe not the long-press, but I'm vim, not emacs).
- copperx 8y agoIf you remap CapsLock to Esc, what key do you use for Control for doing Control A, Control E, Control K, Control Y, Control N, and Control P in every application?
- wild_preference 8y agoI tried to address this in my parentheses, but Karabiner specifically lets you bind CapsLock to both: Esc when tapped alone, and Ctrl when held down in combination with other keys. And your post also answers you sibling comment: Ctrl modifier is useful outside of just Emacs. Try it out. I believe the API changed in the macOS release before Mojave, so they relaunched Karabiner under the name Karabiner Elements. This option is under the "Complex Modifications" tab. If I was writing a list of tricks for macOS power users to try, this would be my number one. Up there with binding a global show/hide hotkey for iTerm (I use Ctrl-Space, thus CapsLock-Space).
- threatofrain 8y agodrcongo is making a statement about the population, and readers can be trusted to not be so confused as to think that this is the official speech of the people.
- d35007 8y ago> Anyone who owns a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar will definitely be saying "yay it hasn't gotten worse!" about these. If drcongo doesn't mean to speak for "Anyone who owns a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar", drcongo should refrain from using those exact words. And you should probably refrain from speaking for drcongo.
- lovehashbrowns 8y agoIt's pretty common to make sweeping generalizations in casual conversation, which this is. I find it really annoying when someone says something like "everyone likes cats!" and then someone, inevitably, will hop in and reply with "ACTUALLY, I hate cats." This isn't a mathematics proof.
- __d 8y agoSure, it's not necessary to completely accurate in casual conversation, but you can say "heaps of people like cats!" or "most people like cats!" or "almost everyone likes cats!" and make your point just as effectively, and without trying to invalidate or dismiss the dislike of cats.
- rthille 8y agohttp://surveys.ap.org/data%5CGfK%5CAP-GfK%20Petside%20Like-Dislike%20Topline%20123009.pdf http://surveys.ap.org/data%5CGfK%5CAP-GfK%20Petside%20Like-D... "almost everyone like cats!" Would definitely be false :-)
- d35007 8y ago> It's pretty common to make sweeping generalizations in casual conversation, which this is It's interesting that you chose the term "sweeping generalization". It almost always carries a negative connotation. In fact, it's considered to be a logical fallacy (see https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/2/Accident-Fallacy https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...). > I find it really annoying when someone says something like "everyone likes cats!" and then someone, inevitably, will hop in and reply with "ACTUALLY, I hate cats." I'm sorry I annoyed you. I find it annoying when someone speaks for me and gets my opinion wrong. edit: Is it really "inevitable" though? It happens every single time? (just kidding) > This isn't a mathematics proof. No, but communicating clearly and honestly is important, even in casual conversations.
- sergiotapia 8y agoThe new macbook pro keyboard is flimsy and easily broken. I bought my own macbook pro, delete key stuck. Got a new one from my new job, keyboard stuck. My brother bought a new one, keyboard stuck.
- briandear 8y agoClearly, you are holding it wrong.
- d35007 8y agoSame. I bought a 2018 MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar this July. Before that, I owned a 2014 MacBook Pro, the last one with the mechanical trackpad. My new machine is absolutely better than my old one.
- seunosewa 8y agoIn what ways is your new machine better, apart from being thinner and just a bit lighter?
- d35007 8y agoThe dimensions aren't really a selling point for me at all. Both laptops are thin enough and light enough for me to carry them to and from work comfortably. Performance is better across the board (6-core i9 vs 4-core i7, 32GB vs 16GB, faster SSD). It has a larger, pressure-sensitive track pad. The display is better. I have a slight preference for the old keyboard, but I don't dislike the new one. I could take or leave the TouchBar. I was never a big user of the F keys and IntelliJ, where I spend a lot of my time, has good TouchBar support. I like having Touch ID. I'd prefer to have a real escape key, but the button is still in the same place so I haven't had to retrain my fingers to hit it. USB-C with a Thunderbolt 3 hub is marginally more convenient than a Thunderbolt 2 hub plus a MagSafe power cord. I do miss MagSafe though.
- andrestan 8y agoThese are almost exactly my thoughts as well coming from a 2015 MBP. I would only add that for me, I actually like the new keyboard. The low/firm travel of the keys is actually preferable for me. I felt like the old keyboards were "mushy". That's obviously a personal preference, however.
- tw04 8y agoIt makes things universally worse imo. Everything was by touch for me previously, including adjusting sound. I had the keyboard memorized. Now I constantly have to look down. A keyboard shouldn't require me to change my focus, that defeats the entire purpose.
- simonh 8y agoHN: This is the worst Apple product ever and Apple has abandoned satisfying their customer with the things they actually want. Reality: Apple product breaks sales records.
- fogetti 8y agoMcDonald's also makes record sales in Japan right now. So by your logic that must be the best hamburger in the market.
- simonh 8y agoWould you suppose that price and convenience might be factors aside from food quality? This is the thing - narrow single issue analysis that doesn't even acknowledge that other factors of consideration even exist, inevitably will result in conclusions with very limited applicability.
- bborud 8y agoYou are liking it wrong :)
- xenihn 8y agoI have a 2013 15" MBP, a 2015 13" MBP, a 2016 15" MBP w/ Touchbar, and a 2017 15" MBP w/ Touchbar. I vastly prefer the 2013 and 2015, even though they are bare-bones specced and the newer MBPs are top-of-the-line. The touchbar MBPs are provided to me by my employer. I just bought my 2015 13" this year, after considering getting a newer model, and I'm planning for it to be my main personal laptop for years to come. I don't like the touchbar, I don't like the new keyboard, and I don't like the new ports. I think there is something wrong if, now two years later, there are still people like me who not only don't see a clear benefit to upgrading, but see it as a net-negative. Ideally, there should be nearly no one (if anyone) who prefers the previous iteration.