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I dont see any racism in headline?

by grezql 8y ago

TotempaaltJ 8y ago
I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.
- Raphmedia 8y ago
  > A 21-page indictment filed in US District Court in the Southern District of California said the Jiangsu Province Ministry of State Security, an arm of the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security, directed the five-year campaign. How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.
  - eiaoa 8y ago
    > How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies. CCP spies? Chinese Communist spies? Personally, I've been trying to correct my use of China/Chinese to "Communist Party" when talking about PRC government topics. I think that's more accurate since the PRC government dominates the Chinese people more than it represents them.
- mulmen 8y ago
  I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.
  - thereare5lights 8y ago
    Then you must also be aware that a very large amount of people are not aware of or don't care about the difference. The race blind card exists as well.
    - mulmen 8y ago
      The headline is not "racist" it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government.
      - thereare5lights 8y ago
        > The headline is not "racist" The consequence remains the same with the people I mention that don't care about or are aware of the difference between: > it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. > Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government. Ignoring the fact that we have a very, very large amount of shitty people that will start using this to do racist things is just as problematic.
adventured 8y ago
There isn't any. It's a very obvious attempt to divert from the subject of the discussion (China stealing tech from the US) by using an aggressive cover (racism) that is heavier than the focus subject.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  OP is skipping ahead to the inevitable scaremongering which will be racism. It's already happened multiple times with incompetent federal agents making up phony charges, ruining people's lives, and then dropping the charges a year later when it becomes obvious that they have no case because they were just being racist.

I dont see any racism in headline?

by grezql 8y ago

I dont see any racism in headline?

I suppose it's perpetuating the idea that a government is representative of all its people: the spies are from the people of China, as opposed to the government of the PRC.

Raphmedia 8y ago
> A 21-page indictment filed in US District Court in the Southern District of California said the Jiangsu Province Ministry of State Security, an arm of the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security, directed the five-year campaign. How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > How would you call the spies if not "Chinese"? They are the People’s Republic of China’s Ministry of State Security's spies. CCP spies? Chinese Communist spies? Personally, I've been trying to correct my use of China/Chinese to "Communist Party" when talking about PRC government topics. I think that's more accurate since the PRC government dominates the Chinese people more than it represents them.
mulmen 8y ago
I'm aware of the difference between the Chinese government and the people of China in the same way I can distinguish between the people of Russia and their government. Same for Germany, the US or any other country. This race card play is diversionary.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  Then you must also be aware that a very large amount of people are not aware of or don't care about the difference. The race blind card exists as well.
  - mulmen 8y ago
    The headline is not "racist" it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government.
    - thereare5lights 8y ago
      > The headline is not "racist" The consequence remains the same with the people I mention that don't care about or are aware of the difference between: > it just doesn't explicitly differentiate between the people of the country and the government of that country. > Calling it racism changes the topic of the conversation without starting a substantive conversation about racism or the relationship between citizens and their government. Ignoring the fact that we have a very, very large amount of shitty people that will start using this to do racist things is just as problematic.

adventured 8y ago

There isn't any. It's a very obvious attempt to divert from the subject of the discussion (China stealing tech from the US) by using an aggressive cover (racism) that is heavier than the focus subject.

thereare5lights 8y ago
OP is skipping ahead to the inevitable scaremongering which will be racism. It's already happened multiple times with incompetent federal agents making up phony charges, ruining people's lives, and then dropping the charges a year later when it becomes obvious that they have no case because they were just being racist.