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Brand New ODroid Single Board Computer
- auslander 8y agoThey should have go with N3150, not dropping it because it was one step older. I bought a nice mini pc on aliexpress on N3150, 2 NICs, AES-NI, perfect OPNsense home router. It will last a decade. Fanless, small alum unibody.
- codetrotter 8y agoFound a few different ones. Which one did you buy? https://m.aliexpress.com/wholesale/N3150.html https://m.aliexpress.com/wholesale/N3150.html
- auslander 8y agoPartaker B5. INCTEL, if you want to buy from manufacturer.
- sireat 8y agoWhy go with N3150? That chip feels very slow (favorite in budget laptops thanks to Intel pricing, what a travesty) J4105 has way better benchmarks: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Celeron-N3150-vs-Intel-Celeron-J4105/m28103vsm444211 https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Celeron-N3150-vs...
- auslander 8y agoIt was OK in 2016. The article said they dropped it as new Apollo arch was introduced. But it was, and is still OK today. Maybe I missed it, but were there perf/usd metrics? Less USD makes it nicer :D
- lhl 8y agoI think you answered your own question - there were plenty of cheap Chinese boards out, so why bother? A big thing for these SBC manufacturers is finding the right niche they want to go for/believe they can maximize sales over the product lifetime.
- slantyyz 8y ago>> It will last a decade. As long as you're not adding any unnecessary additional load to it, I don't see why it wouldn't last even longer than a decade.
- mrpippy 8y agoWith 2 gigabit Ethernet ports, this would make a great pfSense/OpenBSD router. Too bad the price will be over $100 though, not including a DDR4 SODIMM, but that’s the price of Intel. Great to see a well-known boardmaker coming out with an up-to-date x86 option.
- gcb0 8y agowont they made themselves irrelevant? now it's the same price of any itx board. with the same high power profile. for the last 4 years anyone could spend $40 on a itx board with 12v power input, plus $40 for a fully featured ia64 AMD5350 APU, and have exactly what you describe for 35W (or 55 under load)
- mattst88 8y ago> ia64 I wouldn't normally comment on something like this, but I noticed this mistake twice in the linked post as well. ia64 refers to Itanium, while amd64/x86-64/x64 refer to the 64-bit version of x86.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y agoYeah, it was strange to see that in the original post, so for a moment I thought they meant both amd64 and ia64.
- ekr 8y agoOdroid was never the cheapest option, but they provided outstanding software support and great product reliability. Now, in the x86 space both of those things (software support, reliability) are not an issue. Besides, there are much cheaper options available on the market (e.g. https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cSJOvljS https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cSJOvljS , same platform with 4GB ddr4, 64gb emmc, case, power supply for ~$140 shipping included). So I reckon you're right, this product won't be too successful.
- whyagaindavid 8y agoCan u recommend me one? Very much interested in itx with 12V power. Thanks
- GeorgeHahn 8y agoI could see this being a great home server - it could easily run NAS, Plex, a firewall, and some misc containers. It may be a cheaper option for robotics projects that don't need the compute ability of a NVidia Jetson. Pretty awesome board: - Intel J4105 (2.3Ghz Quad-core, fanless!) - Up to 32GB DDR4 - M.2 SSD (4 x PCIe 2.0) - 2 x GbE - 2 x SATA 3.0 - HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.2 at 4k - 2xUART, 2xI2C - both at 3.3V - 110x110x43mm - Expected to ship in late November, price will be above $100
- slantyyz 8y agoIf this isn't powerful enough, there's LattePanda model (I think it's the Alpha model) that runs a Core m3. It's significantly more expensive at around $300 though. https://www.lattepanda.com/ https://www.lattepanda.com/
- sitkack 8y agoI have a warm spot in my heart for odroid; wonderful major nerds.
- stevekemp 8y agoMe too. I bought their handheld "gaming console", the odroid-go, and have it running ZX Spectrum ROMs. Lovely piece of kit, and fun to program against too.
- fake-name 8y agoThis would have been a perfect router/firewall box, right up until they chose to use realtek nics. WHRRRRYYYYYYYYY??????? Realtek in linux is an irreperable shitshow. All my interest evaporated right at that point.
- rwmj 8y agoRealtek are known for being cheap rather than having good performance. However I've never had a particular problem with them under Linux, they have all worked reliably enough. What's the actual issue? If it's an issue with Linux (ie software) then couldn't it be fixed?
- maxnoe 8y agoI have Students coming to me very regularly with linux problems. If it's wifi, it's always a realtek card. Mostly those cheap 300€ HP 15" Laptops.
- rwmj 8y agoSounds like an excellent way to get those students into programming open source software mixed with hardware troubleshooting. Both very valuable skills in the outside world.
- maxnoe 8y agoFor some: yes! But for most physics students it's an annoying linux experience that will make them go back to windows which they also get for free from the university.
- e12e 8y agoI'm not convinced the crappy wifi cards can be fixed in software, though. I think they're just really crappy chips :/
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- poglet 8y agoI would love a board like this with AMD's FreeSync support for an arcade machine / retropie build.
- rwmj 8y agoWe're all waiting for the UDOO Bolt (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-bolt-raising-the-maker-world-to-the-next-leve https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-bolt-raising-...). According to the page it has FreeSync 2.
- ndesaulniers 8y agoI bought a fun little kit from these folks, the ODROID Go. A little assemble it yourself Gameboy. IIRC, it's got a dual core xtensa chip based off the next gen of the mcu used in the teensy. Good stuff.
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- squarefoot 8y agoI usually like all Odroid products but fail to understand the reason behind making those general purpose boards -beside being excellent for prototyping and development- which will probably cost more than a specialized one and can lack important features often due to space constraints. Can economics be the only reason? For example, although this board can do its job as a firewall, a NAS, or a workstation, what if Odroid made three different models, say: model A: 3 NICs, no audio, no video, no SATA, aimed at firewalls with DMZ model B: 1 or 2 NICs, again no audio and no video though a minimum of 2 to 4 SATA ports to be used as NAS/server machines w/software RAID etc. model C: more powerful CPU, just 1 NIC, audio, video and 1 SATA port to be used as a client/MPC etc. Would the higher cost of producing 3 specialized boards exceed the benefits of making general purpose ones where for example a powerful and costly GPU is left unused because the user had no alternatives to consider for building his file server? I for one would seriously consider purchasing the first two (as I did with other pcengines.ch firewall boards in the past).
- angelsl 8y agoThe GPU is on the CPU die. Hardkernel can't offer a version without one unless different versions have different CPUs. And for that matter I don't think Intel offers any low-power chips without a built-in graphics accelerator.
- Legogris 8y agoI got a similar board from another brand recently (quad-core Intel x64, 8 GB RAM, SATA). Going to use a general-purpose dev- and personal-services always-on host. Generally headless but I'll still have HDMI connected to my main display for when the need arises.
- lostapathy 8y agoWhat board?
- Koshkin 8y agoWouldn't any B360-based MiniITX with an i3-8100 fit that description?
- forinti 8y agoI like the NVMe. It got me thinking about a hadoop cluster of these little things. Might even be useful beyond prototyping and testing.
- throw2016 8y agoThis is a missed opportunity for ARM but its one they consciously took. Even after years of single boards the support for drivers was always abysmal, more of a kick the football around to various stakeholders for open source developers so these single boards never amounted to anything. And the entire ecosystem has stagnated in terms of performance and improvements so there is no excitement for the future. Starting a few years ago you could get a Apollo lake NUC for $120 and it would solve all the driver and software issues faced in the arm ecosystem and once you do that you begin to lose interest in all the arm boards because with x86 everything is compatible out of the box. And this seems to be the path Odroid has taken.
- pdimitar 8y agoAs someone who is definitely layman in the area, can somebody break it down to me why would people choose an RPi, ODroid, OrangePi or any other small and fanless computers for this or that scenario? I am very interested in making a home NAS, a Pi-Hole, an OpenVPN server and possibly a VM host -- what are my options if I want a few servers in my bedroom with zero fan noise (even during the summer when the room temperature can be at 35-40 Celsius)? Or should I just sacrifice one floor of shelf space in my small storage room and make sure the machines have good fan cooling? I've been meaning to inform myself on the subject but real life and job changes have been very annoying and I was recently shocked by the memory that "I've been meaning to do it" for like 2 years now. So can somebody give a layman a few pros and cons of our options? (I will definitely use Ethernet on all my home servers. Not interested in how good -- or existent -- their WiFi adapters are. It would even be a bonus for me if I can physically turn off the WiFi on them.)
- vtail 8y agoYou are opening a Pandora’s box :). There is truly no easy answer - too much depends on your budget, needs, OS of choice, etc. A good way to start is to follow a few subreddits, like r/datahoarder or r/homelab to get some inspiration and understand what are the options etc. But since you still need an answer, here is something to get you started: 1) For fanless and ease of setup, buy a Synology/QNAP NAS, and install additional software there - $300+ w/o disks. 2) For future proof, buy Dell T30 on eBay for $300 and install FreeNAS on it.
- pdimitar 8y agoEh, why Pandora's box? It's true I didn't give tons of details though. ...Is there any other option than Linux for a server OS? Like, practically? I know there are a bunch of others but speaking about everyday classic needs... is there really a choice? Budget -- I never did mind paying $1000 instead of $150 but it has to be worth it. I don't want to sheepishly buy the latest and greatest, especially after seeing many times in my programming career how a very modest machine (when properly tuned) can be a very decent server that can last you all the way until you need rented dedicated servers in several data centers. (Example: I gave up on the idea of an OpenVPN server on an RPi 3 after making a research on the expected bandwidth. It would be too small.) Thanks for the recommendations! Writing them down (not joking).
- sytelus 8y agoPower consumption on this thing looks horrendous: 14W on stress load vs 4W for Raspberry Pi 3.
- zmix 8y agoI wonder, why, in today's world, people still use these for Firewall and NAS purposes. Both Mikrotik and Ubiquity offer low-cost systems under 100€, that have been purposed for FW+Routing and come with very capable firmwares, 4 network ports and, at least I know this about Ubiquity, specialized CPUs with hardware encryption. The NAS systems many vendors offer, use the same ARM CPUs for the low cost solutions, but offer more performance for a little bit of extra money, and then, sometimes, allow for ECC and real SATA, instead of these USB<->SATA bridges. If you want to tinker, you always can, because: it's a computer. I got a Ubiquity EdgeRouter-Lite as hardware firewall. It comes with: * 3 Gb Ethernet ports * 1 console port * fanless * EdgeOS, which is a (superb) Vyatta (Debian) clone * total cost, including PSU and nice metal casing: 90€ As for NAS, and backup in my parent's home I installed a WD MyCloud with 4TB, wiped off the firmware and installed a custom solution, that is available on the WD forums (OpenMediaVault). Price: approx. 155€, including PSU and nice casing. 10€ more, than the hard disk, that is inside, cost retail, back then. RAM could be a bit more, but this is for my parents, so the only one missing the RAM is me, when I am on vacation. At home I use two HP MicroServers. A 36NL and its update, I think it's named 40NL. * AMD CPU * 4x (real) SATA + 1 aux. SATA (I think it could do RAID, but I use ZFS anyway) * 16 GB ECC RAM * 1x Gb Ethernet * 1x remote control administration card (can switch on and boot, enter the BIOS, install OS via network) * place for a single 5.25" (I mounted a hard disk swap frame here, that is compatible with my external USB slide in HDD case) * beautiful case with 4 hard disk swap frames (no hotswap) * 160W PSU * not fanless :-( * Hewlett Packard entry level server, semi-pro This system cost, including a wimpy 1TB HDD and 1GB RAM, 160€. I run SmartOS on my main server, and am going to install UnRAID or similar, on the elder one, that I am going to use for backup. As for other appliances: in the kitchen I use a Logitech internet radio, as media clients I use an Android tablet and an NVidia Shield console (USB audio out to external DAC!). Again, no need to do any tinkering above the average level. This is exactly the thing with appliances: They are domain specific, specialized purpose utilities! That's why you want hardware, that has been specialized, just as your firmware/OS has been specialized (OMV, FreeNAS, pfSense, etc.) I would never want to have a server without IPMI (remote control) again! And, since you can get good offers for these devices on the retail market, you can pay less, that for a full SBC setup, which will need a case and a PSU in addition, and which gets sold with an additional retail margin (yes, I know, packages exist).
- cassianoleal 8y agoThe fact that their "HTTPS website" is basically a file list on their webserver doesn't fill me up with confidence... https://dn.odroid.com/ https://dn.odroid.com/