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They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on

They do account for electricity costs in the "gas savings": "The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings. We've assumed a fuel economy of 28 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered sedan, for example, the 2017 BMW 3 series. We've also assumed the national average of $0.13 per kilowatt-hour for electricity and $2.85 per gallon for premium gasoline over the next six years."

titanomachy 8y ago
Numbers are even better in Canada where we have cheap hydro power and tax the shit out of gasoline.
- seanmcdirmid 8y ago
  Washington state has cheap hydro also, as to a lesser extent do many of the other states in the west coast (California has lots of hydro, but they also need lots of electricity and even import from Washington). Is electricity in Canada generally cheaper than in the states?
  - justtopost 8y ago
    I bet it depends on region, distance to station, maint, etc. I moved an hour outside a major metro and my electricity prices increased 60%, but gasoline only 2-5% in the USA. Plenty of trucking, but not much hard infrastructure. Most neighbors still burn wood or truck in propane for heat, yet the average home value is quite high. Its an odd situation, and points out how many of these solutions miss even the suburban populations, much less the rural.
  - titanomachy 8y ago
    It looks similar. 10¢/kWh in Canada vs 12¢ in US (US cents for both). https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-elect...
Someone1234 8y ago
While I dislike them using the gas saving in the headline figure, I cannot criticize the way they came up with the gas saving figure, that's an extremely fair way to calculate it (almost too conservative).
- imladyboy 8y ago
  And while it may be a bit hidden (After incentives & gas savings -> Gasoline savings) they even allow you to customize it a bit based on Miles/Year and gasoline price.
dragontamer 8y ago
But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). AND it mostly won't use gasoline (50-mile all-electric range == good enough to not use gasoline in over 99% of my expected drives)
- koolba 8y ago
  What are the ramifications of never changing the gas in a hybrid like the Volt? Does it “go bad” eventually?
  - dragontamer 8y ago
    https://www.plugincars.com/putting-thought-putting-gas-chevy-volt-69473.html https://www.plugincars.com/putting-thought-putting-gas-chevy... It appears that the Volt will detect the gasoline going bad (or at least, puts it on a timer and then assumes), and forcibly burn it off roughly once a year. Before doing so, it encourages you to use a bit of gas. To be honest: this is the first link from a search engine. So its not an issue I've looked into very strongly. Nonetheless, it seems like GM has already figured out a procedure for "stale gas" issues. https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/volt-gas-goes-stale/69063 https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/volt-gas-goes-stale/69063 So it seems to be a timer of some sorts, roughly on the order of ~once a year or so. EDIT: I found a video on youtube showing the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEe4Rkg4GfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEe4Rkg4GfA The author of the video notes that you can drive the Volt just fine. He just had a camera handy and stay'd in his garage in this case however.
  - cdkee 8y ago
    The Volt has something called "maintenance mode", which starts the engine about every 4-6 weeks, and does a process a little more involved every few months or so to burn gas that would go bad.
  - 8y ago
joezydeco 8y ago
What about the cost to have an electrician install the charging system in your garage? And the Tesla wall unit also costs $500. Is that included in the price of the car?

titanomachy 8y ago

Numbers are even better in Canada where we have cheap hydro power and tax the shit out of gasoline.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago
Washington state has cheap hydro also, as to a lesser extent do many of the other states in the west coast (California has lots of hydro, but they also need lots of electricity and even import from Washington). Is electricity in Canada generally cheaper than in the states?
- justtopost 8y ago
  I bet it depends on region, distance to station, maint, etc. I moved an hour outside a major metro and my electricity prices increased 60%, but gasoline only 2-5% in the USA. Plenty of trucking, but not much hard infrastructure. Most neighbors still burn wood or truck in propane for heat, yet the average home value is quite high. Its an odd situation, and points out how many of these solutions miss even the suburban populations, much less the rural.
- titanomachy 8y ago
  It looks similar. 10¢/kWh in Canada vs 12¢ in US (US cents for both). https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-electricity-prices-kwh.html https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/average-elect...

Someone1234 8y ago

While I dislike them using the gas saving in the headline figure, I cannot criticize the way they came up with the gas saving figure, that's an extremely fair way to calculate it (almost too conservative).

imladyboy 8y ago
And while it may be a bit hidden (After incentives & gas savings -> Gasoline savings) they even allow you to customize it a bit based on Miles/Year and gasoline price.

dragontamer 8y ago

But the cars I plan to buy also don't use gasoline. Ex: Chevy Volt, or the Prius Prime. I dunno, I find it dishonest. Any electric vehicle shopper knows that gasoline is a major cost-driver and reason to buy electric instead. The Chevy Volt is currently $33,520. Then gets a $7500 Federal Credit (and unlike Tesla, Chevy hasn't run out yet. If your Tesla 3 is delivered in January 2019, you only get $3750 in credits). AND it mostly won't use gasoline (50-mile all-electric range == good enough to not use gasoline in over 99% of my expected drives)

koolba 8y ago
What are the ramifications of never changing the gas in a hybrid like the Volt? Does it “go bad” eventually?
- dragontamer 8y ago
  https://www.plugincars.com/putting-thought-putting-gas-chevy-volt-69473.html https://www.plugincars.com/putting-thought-putting-gas-chevy... It appears that the Volt will detect the gasoline going bad (or at least, puts it on a timer and then assumes), and forcibly burn it off roughly once a year. Before doing so, it encourages you to use a bit of gas. To be honest: this is the first link from a search engine. So its not an issue I've looked into very strongly. Nonetheless, it seems like GM has already figured out a procedure for "stale gas" issues. https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/volt-gas-goes-stale/69063 https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/volt-gas-goes-stale/69063 So it seems to be a timer of some sorts, roughly on the order of ~once a year or so. EDIT: I found a video on youtube showing the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEe4Rkg4GfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEe4Rkg4GfA The author of the video notes that you can drive the Volt just fine. He just had a camera handy and stay'd in his garage in this case however.
- cdkee 8y ago
  The Volt has something called "maintenance mode", which starts the engine about every 4-6 weeks, and does a process a little more involved every few months or so to burn gas that would go bad.
- 8y ago

joezydeco 8y ago

What about the cost to have an electrician install the charging system in your garage? And the Tesla wall unit also costs $500. Is that included in the price of the car?