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PeerTube stable 1.0.0

92 points by jaywink 8y ago

password4321 8y ago
Several similar posts recently, unfortunately not much discussion yet about why 1.0 is important. [dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18196255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18196255 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=PeerTube%20points%3E20&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=story&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=PeerTube%20points%3E20&sort=by...
wyoh 8y ago
This is great, sadly I don't know how to push my favorite content creator to move from Youtube to Peertube.
- gagege 8y ago
  One of the main challenges is that you don't just make a PeerTube account and start uploading. You have to somehow get hosting for your videos, don't you?
  - phoe-krk 8y ago
    This isn't as bad as it sounds. Enough PeerTube instances are already open to general public.
    - thrownblown 8y ago
      i wonder if there's a model where ads are served and host, platform and creator all get a slice.
- djsumdog 8y ago
  It's probably not wise to move, but cross posting between YouTube and a personal PeerTube instance should be the route that content creators go at first. Eventually with services like PeerTube, Patreon, Drip, it'd be nice if we one day saw more people in the general public not going to YouTube and instead to specific PeerTube instances to get their content. I'd like to see YouTube turn into MySpace, and Google have to eat all their advertisement focus, false copyright claims, censoring content bullshit.
  - zabuni 8y ago
    Anything that gets large enough to matter will have to deal with false copyright claims and censoring content bullshit, without the help of the Google legal department. Your future is a future of hosts constantly disappearing, due to copyright claims, child pornography, and not wanting to deal with the bullshit drama of running a server anymore. With a couple of surviving, but being way locked down and moderated. 21st century phpbb message boards, ephemeral as hell. Not to say I don't approve of the software. A self hosting video platform that doesn't die at the first viral video is a powerful thing. But Youtube is Youtube because of network effects and monetization, not technology.
  - evv 8y ago
    Agreed, but cross-posting is a pain so it probably won't happen. Unless somebody makes an app to cross-post automatically, I don't see PeerTube getting much adoption from the mainstream. Even if such a cross-posting app existed, it get shut down by YT pretty quickly. To survive, I think it would need to be well-supported open source endeavor.
- kodablah 8y ago
  I am not familiar w/ the tech here (specifically concerning live streaming vs on-disk), but one wonders if you can proxy YouTube over PeerTube to ease the transition. Would require live search backed by site scraping, ability to stream YouTube videos over BT/PeerTube on demand, etc. Like youtube-dl but ephemeral, at least then content creators can dual host if they want. Or an easy-import feature. Or maybe just a combined user interface for clients so they don't have to switch back and forth.
  - solarkraft 8y ago
    This should be quite easy, indeed. The streams themselves can quite easily be extracted, but what you probably lose is what I find makes YouTube powerful: Recommendations. Of course we could just go back to a subscription feed. I don't really see significant technical blocks here.
- arnaudsm 8y ago
  YouTube demonetization is such a big problem for most creators, I'm sure a last impactful YouTube scandal could push a lot of users to another platform.
fiatjaf 8y ago
I don't know if video publishing is a great use-case for federated stuff like that. The pain points in video are streaming, storing and (maybe) following. There isn't so much discussion and replies and sharing going on on YouTube, for example, so this seems the wrong way to go. I would think something in which each publisher hosts its own video on its own IPFS instance (of course, IPFS-powered viewers will rehost) and there's some basic indexing.
megaman8 8y ago
Cheers to a decentralized world!
tombert 8y ago
I've recently gone on somewhat of a Google purge in the last few weeks, but the one thing I can't seem to shake is YouTube. These platforms are made and broken by their content. Even though I absolutely support the "federate all the things" mentality (I'm a Mastodon user), I fear that YouTube will remain the default platform for the foreseeable future until PeerTube offers something other than "federated YouTube". I also worry that what will inevitably happen is that one service will become the de-facto standard for video sharing, and effectively monopolize the thing anyway, such as with Gmail. I built a prototype system based on Kademlia that addressed the second point, but I don't know how I'd convince anyone to actually use it.
- solarkraft 8y ago
  YouTube just needs to become worse. During adpocalypse and the censoring hype people were desperate to move and only vid.me was there. Now there's PeerTube. Some things still have to be done to make the user experience as smooth as possible, but simply being a competitor to YouTube is already quite powerful.
wakest 8y ago
The import through youtube-dl is the most awesome new feature recently added.

92 points by jaywink 8y ago

Several similar posts recently, unfortunately not much discussion yet about why 1.0 is important. [dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18196255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18196255 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=PeerTube%20points%3E20&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=story&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=PeerTube%20points%3E20&sort=by...

wyoh 8y ago

This is great, sadly I don't know how to push my favorite content creator to move from Youtube to Peertube.

gagege 8y ago
One of the main challenges is that you don't just make a PeerTube account and start uploading. You have to somehow get hosting for your videos, don't you?
- phoe-krk 8y ago
  This isn't as bad as it sounds. Enough PeerTube instances are already open to general public.
  - thrownblown 8y ago
    i wonder if there's a model where ads are served and host, platform and creator all get a slice.
djsumdog 8y ago
It's probably not wise to move, but cross posting between YouTube and a personal PeerTube instance should be the route that content creators go at first. Eventually with services like PeerTube, Patreon, Drip, it'd be nice if we one day saw more people in the general public not going to YouTube and instead to specific PeerTube instances to get their content. I'd like to see YouTube turn into MySpace, and Google have to eat all their advertisement focus, false copyright claims, censoring content bullshit.
- zabuni 8y ago
  Anything that gets large enough to matter will have to deal with false copyright claims and censoring content bullshit, without the help of the Google legal department. Your future is a future of hosts constantly disappearing, due to copyright claims, child pornography, and not wanting to deal with the bullshit drama of running a server anymore. With a couple of surviving, but being way locked down and moderated. 21st century phpbb message boards, ephemeral as hell. Not to say I don't approve of the software. A self hosting video platform that doesn't die at the first viral video is a powerful thing. But Youtube is Youtube because of network effects and monetization, not technology.
- evv 8y ago
  Agreed, but cross-posting is a pain so it probably won't happen. Unless somebody makes an app to cross-post automatically, I don't see PeerTube getting much adoption from the mainstream. Even if such a cross-posting app existed, it get shut down by YT pretty quickly. To survive, I think it would need to be well-supported open source endeavor.
kodablah 8y ago
I am not familiar w/ the tech here (specifically concerning live streaming vs on-disk), but one wonders if you can proxy YouTube over PeerTube to ease the transition. Would require live search backed by site scraping, ability to stream YouTube videos over BT/PeerTube on demand, etc. Like youtube-dl but ephemeral, at least then content creators can dual host if they want. Or an easy-import feature. Or maybe just a combined user interface for clients so they don't have to switch back and forth.
- solarkraft 8y ago
  This should be quite easy, indeed. The streams themselves can quite easily be extracted, but what you probably lose is what I find makes YouTube powerful: Recommendations. Of course we could just go back to a subscription feed. I don't really see significant technical blocks here.
arnaudsm 8y ago
YouTube demonetization is such a big problem for most creators, I'm sure a last impactful YouTube scandal could push a lot of users to another platform.

fiatjaf 8y ago

I don't know if video publishing is a great use-case for federated stuff like that. The pain points in video are streaming, storing and (maybe) following. There isn't so much discussion and replies and sharing going on on YouTube, for example, so this seems the wrong way to go. I would think something in which each publisher hosts its own video on its own IPFS instance (of course, IPFS-powered viewers will rehost) and there's some basic indexing.

megaman8 8y ago

Cheers to a decentralized world!

tombert 8y ago

I've recently gone on somewhat of a Google purge in the last few weeks, but the one thing I can't seem to shake is YouTube. These platforms are made and broken by their content. Even though I absolutely support the "federate all the things" mentality (I'm a Mastodon user), I fear that YouTube will remain the default platform for the foreseeable future until PeerTube offers something other than "federated YouTube". I also worry that what will inevitably happen is that one service will become the de-facto standard for video sharing, and effectively monopolize the thing anyway, such as with Gmail. I built a prototype system based on Kademlia that addressed the second point, but I don't know how I'd convince anyone to actually use it.

solarkraft 8y ago
YouTube just needs to become worse. During adpocalypse and the censoring hype people were desperate to move and only vid.me was there. Now there's PeerTube. Some things still have to be done to make the user experience as smooth as possible, but simply being a competitor to YouTube is already quite powerful.

wakest 8y ago

The import through youtube-dl is the most awesome new feature recently added.