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There is no way Facebook would ever implement something like this. The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of sh

by evgen 8y ago

There is no way Facebook would ever implement something like this. The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit to find the nuggets you are interested in. The feed algorithm is all about making that river just slightly short of unbearable, because the river is where they stuff all the ads. If they provided you with useful filters it would make the revenue opportunities more visible.

IshKebab 8y ago
Erm, Facebook did implement something like this. Shortly after Google+ came out. You can still assign friends to different groups.
- 394549 8y ago
  > Erm, Facebook did implement something like this. Shortly after Google+ came out. You can still assign friends to different groups. IIRC, Facebook never really promoted those features or tried to make them easy and intuitive to use. Recently they've also made changes to make them less useful. It's sort of like difference between having a well-designed and usable feature or a similar feature that only exists to check off a checkbox.
  - hanspeter 8y ago
    They were easy and intuitive. Facebook didn't promote them for the same reason the circles in Google+ lacked traction: The majority of users didn't care and didn't want it.
- stedaniels 8y ago
  Alas, the concept was never fleshed out and is all but buried and featureless.
  - tokyodude 8y ago
    hmmm, I've been using it since it came out and still use it. Yes the UI is a little crap but basically every time you post there's a tiny drop down you can set which groups can see and which groups can't. It will stay on whatever you last chose. Mine is set to "All Friends" except "DoNotShow" and there's about 3 people on my "DoNotShow" list. Have also excluded family for a few posts.
  - jklinger410 8y ago
    It's not heavily promoted but it is there. You can view feeds of your Facebook friend lists, just like Google+. Bookmark those feeds and you are good to go.
    - amaccuish 8y ago
      They're shutting that feature down: https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-friend-list-feeds-today/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-...
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    Nope. They're shutting it down https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-friend-list-feeds-today/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-...
    - eslaught 8y ago
      That's the feature for viewing a separate feed per friend list. The basic functionality of creating friend lists and assigning them different privacy settings isn't going anywhere.
      - softawre 8y ago
        Okay, but we're specifically talking about only viewing a feed of certain folks here..
- jaredsohn 8y ago
  >Shortly after Google+ came out. I remember Facebook having it first; this blog post (https://jessicavitak.com/2011/09/01/facebooks-circles-how-to-create-and-use-the-friend-list-feature/ https://jessicavitak.com/2011/09/01/facebooks-circles-how-to...) confirms that.
8ytecoder 8y ago
This is a very cynical view of things. I'm not a product manager - but I can't imagine one sitting in a room thinking about all the evil ways to make the feed harder for people to find relevant posts. I can, however, perfectly imagine a PM who is "extremely numbers driven" to look a bad version of the algorithm that increases the time users spend shifting through shit and assume that the algorithm is a huge success because it increased "retention" and reduced bounce-rate.
- pjmorris 8y ago
  Seems to me like PM's would think in the most positive terms about the same issue, e.g. what is the maximum amount of ad space that we can use before users lose interest? No one would directly attempt to be evil, it'd just turn out that way. “The truly terrible thing is that everybody has their reasons.” ― Jean Renoir
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  - rytis 8y ago
    Socrates agrees: "no one ever knowingly does wrong". :) And a nice essay on the subject: https://midnightmediamusings.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/socrates-claim-that-nobody-does-wrong-knowingly-essay/ https://midnightmediamusings.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/socrat...
  - oth3r 8y ago
    As a PM, though not one that works at Facebook, I would probably approach it something like, how do we ensure that our users stay interested in the homepage, coming back as often as possible and staying on it as long as possible? There are lots of other sites competing for attention, and to sacrifice a good UX would be shortsighted, especially with all the “FB is dead” comments people have been making the last few years.
  - btown 8y ago
    And, to be sure, many will justify it by saying "by maximizing this revenue, we're able to provide even more services that people love for free." Is it a Faustian bargain if practically everyone is begging to be Faust?
adrianmonk 8y ago
I'd like to think that's not true, but it wouldn't be the first time such a technique has been used, apparently successfully. Witness the local TV news which is always teasing that some story is coming up next, only to put it at the very end of the broadcast so that you have to watch the whole 30 minute program (including commercials) to hear the 1 minute you care about.
- at-fates-hands 8y ago
  Our local station started doing this where they would list the stories coming up on the right hand side of the screen. They held to it for about two weeks. Then they kept it, but then continually shifted the stories during commercial breaks. After many, many complaints, they finally got rid of it. Other networks I watch, they still do the same thing. On the NHL Network, you'll see a story about a big trade coming up and they will continue to shuffle it down during commercial breaks until its one of the last stories they cover before the end of the broadcast. It's the same thing with highlights. You'll see your team's game in the left hand column like they're about to show the highlights. Come back from a commercial break and suddenly two more stories have shifted above your local team's highlights. Same thing with several ESPN shows like PTI (Pardon the Interruption). It can be incredibly frustrating to watch sometimes.
  - srtjstjsj 8y ago
    Why do you watch and wait if you can get the headlines from websites?
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- sangnoir 8y ago
  > I'd like to think that's not true, but it wouldn't be the first time such a technique has been used, apparently successfully. It's also why Twitter wants to 'curate' your timeline, instead of simply displaying tweets from people you follow in temporal order.
kwillets 8y ago
The milk is always at the back of the store.
- notahappycamper 8y ago
  That is where the loading bays are, so they keep the fridges nearby so cold items have less chance to heat up. Plus milk is often stocked from behind, which can only be done where they have the extra space at the back of the store.
  - dvlsg 8y ago
    Not to mention you probably want to pick it up last, so it stays colder longer. This way you don't have to carry milk around the store while you look for all the other items you need. Although, maybe that's an argument for putting it by the checkout lines instead, which I suppose are by the entrance. Hm.
  - nostrademons 8y ago
    I could buy this on smaller or older grocery stores, but the Safeways near me have 2 full aisles of frozen goods (and one additional one of refrigerated goods). These aisles extend all the way from the back to the front of the store, and are located in the center of the floor plan. The milk is still in the back, along with perishable juices. The difference between them and the aisles is that processed foods (frozen dinners, vegetables, snacks, brand name yogurt & cheese, ice cream, breakfasts) are all located near the front of the store, while fresh ones (milk, meat, fish) are located at the back, and perishable-but-non-refrigerated goods (fresh fruits & vegetables) are off to the back & side. So it really seems like a deliberate attempt to put the items you would buy frequently as far away from the door as possible, and make you walk through the goods that you might stock up on on impulse.
    - dwighttk 8y ago
      Eh. Most grocery stores I’ve been to have a small milk fridge at the front near self checkout for convenience.
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giancarlostoro 8y ago
Except I distinctly remember Facebook having customizable feeds in 2013. I was able to separate friends by groups to their own specific feeds and block them from my main feed. I havent been able to figure out how to get that feature back since I forgot about it. My best guess is I either deleted those lists or Facebook pulled back the feature due to lack of use. Edit: Here's a link to someone asking for help when I guess they started to pull the plug on custom friend feeds: https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=10202582666513337 https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=1020258... Friends List is here apparently: https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/lists/ https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/lists/
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valarauca1 8y ago
Before Google+ came out Facebook had "lists" where you could group friends to "lists" and make posts only visible to certain "lists". I used the feature heavily but come ~2013 I stopped using Facebook completely so I don't know if they have the same feature. It was nice for keeping my World of Warcraft friends separate from "Family" and "College" and "Highschool" etc. As there were things I'd maybe want 1 group to see, but things I'd rather others didn't. After ~4 years I just started unfriending people as it was easier then bothering to curate posts for specifics lists, and soon after I just deleted the account as I could SMS-text the people I wanted to chat with easier then bothering with facebook.
mlthoughts2018 8y ago
Facebook is to the newsfeed what Zynga was to games.
ddingus 8y ago
Well, that failed. I just do not wade through the shit. Groups only. And even those are just an occassional check in.
samstave 8y ago
>The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit to find the nuggets you are interested in Why on earth would this be the "point" and what product manager is being paid for this BS.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  The point is that the more time you spend on Facebook, the more ads you look at, and the more Facebook gets paid. "If you are not paying for it, you’re not the customer; you’re the product being sold."
systoll 8y ago
They had a features largely the same as circles, from around when g+ came out, to about two months ago. https://m.facebook.com/help/ipad-app/204737159568794?helpref=hc_fnav https://m.facebook.com/help/ipad-app/204737159568794?helpref...
- unstuckdev 8y ago
  They had the idea, not the implementation. Circles were not some bolted on feature you had to access through a submenu. They were fundamental.
- quadrangle 8y ago
  They specifically added mediocre, hidden filter options and labels in order to kill migration to G+. Once they were sure G+ was not a real threat, they stopped caring about those features they never wanted in the first place.
- SilasX 8y ago
  That covers the “I’m only sharing with this subset” feature. It doesn’t cover the “I want to see what this circle’s members are saying” feature.
felipeerias 8y ago
The Facebook feed is a slot machine.
- UpshotKnothole 8y ago
  At least slot machines have a chance (however low) of paying out. The Facebook feed is a slot machine and all of the prizes are used condoms and dirty needles.
solumos 8y ago
That's a really interesting perspective. In a sense, the only differences between clickbait listicle sites and Facebook are the infinite scrolling, the personalization, and who "owns" the ad network.
cryptonector 8y ago
It would also reduce the amount of time users spend on FB, which would be the biggest hit on advertising opportunities, really.
fossuser 8y ago
I'm pretty sure this is implemented on Facebook though it just isn't called 'circles' - I remember blog posts about the same functionality when Google+ launched, but I don't remember the details.
- prostoalex 8y ago
  Friend lists https://m.facebook.com/help/124794780932930/ https://m.facebook.com/help/124794780932930/
andreygrehov 8y ago
I unfollow (in contrast to unfriending) people who post things that I'm not interested in. I "hard follow" friends that post really cool stuff. By "hard following" I mean "See First" functionality of the the Newsfeed algorithm. It helps to keep my newsfeed more or less under control. I also try to teach the newsfeed to only show relevant ads by hiding those that I don't care about and clicking the ones I find interesting.
perl4ever 8y ago
"The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit" You know, I read this, and I thought "gee, Facebook is behaving a bit differently at the moment for me", because the last time I checked it, it showed maybe six posts and a message at the bottom that basically said I need more friends to see more posts. And then I realized...I installed uBlock Origin the other day and promptly forgot about it, so of course Facebook hates me. It's like the Soup Nazi - no dopamine for you! I was creeped out recently by how Facebook recommends people I've never met as friends; I've read some things that suggest it may be utilizing GPS data to try to match people in physical proximity, so I have to wonder if the recommendations are from the apartment building I live in.
opsroller 8y ago
Facebook has this already, and has had it since I joined in 2004.
jhabdas 8y ago
I love you.
mliker 8y ago
"There is no way Facebook would ever implement something like this." Except they did in 2011 in response to Google+ by adding Friend Lists, which you can use to filter your News Feed down to stories and news items from just friends in certain lists curated by you. This is still in existence today in 2018.
- gcatalfamo 8y ago
  Yes but it is so hidden and “ancient” that I would be surprised if more than 1% of users actively uses it.
  - lowlevel 8y ago
    I’ve given up trying to find anything on facebook... I just post a picture once in a while and talk to whoever comments on it.
    - natecavanaugh 8y ago
      Search discovery is by far my biggest pain point, and I say it as a fan. I disagree with the GGP (I think) about Facebook wanting you to wade throw a river of crap so you stumble on ads. Their ads have been spot on to my interests so far. I think an onioned version of Google plus circles could help Facebok influence the AI without preventing discovery. But TBH, had G+ really been a contender at this point? This sounds like the creak of an abandoned house by now.
    - giancarlostoro 8y ago
      I can't even use Facebook without it freezing anymore. I'm using containers and locking down on tracking (no umatrix or noscript though) and Facebook literally craps itself everytime I have it open, helps keep me off of it. It must be my exact setup cause I do the same setup on every laptop / workstation and it slows to a crawl, though mobile.facebook.com works just fine... oddly enough. And I know if I use a vanilla browser it works just fine...
      - 8y ago

by evgen 8y ago

IshKebab 8y ago

Erm, Facebook did implement something like this. Shortly after Google+ came out. You can still assign friends to different groups.

394549 8y ago
> Erm, Facebook did implement something like this. Shortly after Google+ came out. You can still assign friends to different groups. IIRC, Facebook never really promoted those features or tried to make them easy and intuitive to use. Recently they've also made changes to make them less useful. It's sort of like difference between having a well-designed and usable feature or a similar feature that only exists to check off a checkbox.
- hanspeter 8y ago
  They were easy and intuitive. Facebook didn't promote them for the same reason the circles in Google+ lacked traction: The majority of users didn't care and didn't want it.
stedaniels 8y ago
Alas, the concept was never fleshed out and is all but buried and featureless.
- tokyodude 8y ago
  hmmm, I've been using it since it came out and still use it. Yes the UI is a little crap but basically every time you post there's a tiny drop down you can set which groups can see and which groups can't. It will stay on whatever you last chose. Mine is set to "All Friends" except "DoNotShow" and there's about 3 people on my "DoNotShow" list. Have also excluded family for a few posts.
- jklinger410 8y ago
  It's not heavily promoted but it is there. You can view feeds of your Facebook friend lists, just like Google+. Bookmark those feeds and you are good to go.
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    They're shutting that feature down: https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-friend-list-feeds-today/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-...
- amaccuish 8y ago
  Nope. They're shutting it down https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-friend-list-feeds-today/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/09/facebook-is-shutting-down-...
  - eslaught 8y ago
    That's the feature for viewing a separate feed per friend list. The basic functionality of creating friend lists and assigning them different privacy settings isn't going anywhere.
    - softawre 8y ago
      Okay, but we're specifically talking about only viewing a feed of certain folks here..
jaredsohn 8y ago
>Shortly after Google+ came out. I remember Facebook having it first; this blog post (https://jessicavitak.com/2011/09/01/facebooks-circles-how-to-create-and-use-the-friend-list-feature/ https://jessicavitak.com/2011/09/01/facebooks-circles-how-to...) confirms that.

8ytecoder 8y ago

This is a very cynical view of things. I'm not a product manager - but I can't imagine one sitting in a room thinking about all the evil ways to make the feed harder for people to find relevant posts. I can, however, perfectly imagine a PM who is "extremely numbers driven" to look a bad version of the algorithm that increases the time users spend shifting through shit and assume that the algorithm is a huge success because it increased "retention" and reduced bounce-rate.

pjmorris 8y ago
Seems to me like PM's would think in the most positive terms about the same issue, e.g. what is the maximum amount of ad space that we can use before users lose interest? No one would directly attempt to be evil, it'd just turn out that way. “The truly terrible thing is that everybody has their reasons.” ― Jean Renoir
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- rytis 8y ago
  Socrates agrees: "no one ever knowingly does wrong". :) And a nice essay on the subject: https://midnightmediamusings.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/socrates-claim-that-nobody-does-wrong-knowingly-essay/ https://midnightmediamusings.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/socrat...
- oth3r 8y ago
  As a PM, though not one that works at Facebook, I would probably approach it something like, how do we ensure that our users stay interested in the homepage, coming back as often as possible and staying on it as long as possible? There are lots of other sites competing for attention, and to sacrifice a good UX would be shortsighted, especially with all the “FB is dead” comments people have been making the last few years.
- btown 8y ago
  And, to be sure, many will justify it by saying "by maximizing this revenue, we're able to provide even more services that people love for free." Is it a Faustian bargain if practically everyone is begging to be Faust?

adrianmonk 8y ago

I'd like to think that's not true, but it wouldn't be the first time such a technique has been used, apparently successfully. Witness the local TV news which is always teasing that some story is coming up next, only to put it at the very end of the broadcast so that you have to watch the whole 30 minute program (including commercials) to hear the 1 minute you care about.

at-fates-hands 8y ago
Our local station started doing this where they would list the stories coming up on the right hand side of the screen. They held to it for about two weeks. Then they kept it, but then continually shifted the stories during commercial breaks. After many, many complaints, they finally got rid of it. Other networks I watch, they still do the same thing. On the NHL Network, you'll see a story about a big trade coming up and they will continue to shuffle it down during commercial breaks until its one of the last stories they cover before the end of the broadcast. It's the same thing with highlights. You'll see your team's game in the left hand column like they're about to show the highlights. Come back from a commercial break and suddenly two more stories have shifted above your local team's highlights. Same thing with several ESPN shows like PTI (Pardon the Interruption). It can be incredibly frustrating to watch sometimes.
- srtjstjsj 8y ago
  Why do you watch and wait if you can get the headlines from websites?
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sangnoir 8y ago
> I'd like to think that's not true, but it wouldn't be the first time such a technique has been used, apparently successfully. It's also why Twitter wants to 'curate' your timeline, instead of simply displaying tweets from people you follow in temporal order.

kwillets 8y ago

The milk is always at the back of the store.

notahappycamper 8y ago
That is where the loading bays are, so they keep the fridges nearby so cold items have less chance to heat up. Plus milk is often stocked from behind, which can only be done where they have the extra space at the back of the store.
- dvlsg 8y ago
  Not to mention you probably want to pick it up last, so it stays colder longer. This way you don't have to carry milk around the store while you look for all the other items you need. Although, maybe that's an argument for putting it by the checkout lines instead, which I suppose are by the entrance. Hm.
- nostrademons 8y ago
  I could buy this on smaller or older grocery stores, but the Safeways near me have 2 full aisles of frozen goods (and one additional one of refrigerated goods). These aisles extend all the way from the back to the front of the store, and are located in the center of the floor plan. The milk is still in the back, along with perishable juices. The difference between them and the aisles is that processed foods (frozen dinners, vegetables, snacks, brand name yogurt & cheese, ice cream, breakfasts) are all located near the front of the store, while fresh ones (milk, meat, fish) are located at the back, and perishable-but-non-refrigerated goods (fresh fruits & vegetables) are off to the back & side. So it really seems like a deliberate attempt to put the items you would buy frequently as far away from the door as possible, and make you walk through the goods that you might stock up on on impulse.
  - dwighttk 8y ago
    Eh. Most grocery stores I’ve been to have a small milk fridge at the front near self checkout for convenience.

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giancarlostoro 8y ago

Except I distinctly remember Facebook having customizable feeds in 2013. I was able to separate friends by groups to their own specific feeds and block them from my main feed. I havent been able to figure out how to get that feature back since I forgot about it. My best guess is I either deleted those lists or Facebook pulled back the feature due to lack of use. Edit: Here's a link to someone asking for help when I guess they started to pull the plug on custom friend feeds: https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=10202582666513337 https://www.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=1020258... Friends List is here apparently: https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/lists/ https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/lists/

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valarauca1 8y ago

Before Google+ came out Facebook had "lists" where you could group friends to "lists" and make posts only visible to certain "lists". I used the feature heavily but come ~2013 I stopped using Facebook completely so I don't know if they have the same feature. It was nice for keeping my World of Warcraft friends separate from "Family" and "College" and "Highschool" etc. As there were things I'd maybe want 1 group to see, but things I'd rather others didn't. After ~4 years I just started unfriending people as it was easier then bothering to curate posts for specifics lists, and soon after I just deleted the account as I could SMS-text the people I wanted to chat with easier then bothering with facebook.

mlthoughts2018 8y ago

Facebook is to the newsfeed what Zynga was to games.

ddingus 8y ago

Well, that failed. I just do not wade through the shit. Groups only. And even those are just an occassional check in.

samstave 8y ago

>The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit to find the nuggets you are interested in Why on earth would this be the "point" and what product manager is being paid for this BS.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
The point is that the more time you spend on Facebook, the more ads you look at, and the more Facebook gets paid. "If you are not paying for it, you’re not the customer; you’re the product being sold."

systoll 8y ago

They had a features largely the same as circles, from around when g+ came out, to about two months ago. https://m.facebook.com/help/ipad-app/204737159568794?helpref=hc_fnav https://m.facebook.com/help/ipad-app/204737159568794?helpref...

unstuckdev 8y ago
They had the idea, not the implementation. Circles were not some bolted on feature you had to access through a submenu. They were fundamental.
quadrangle 8y ago
They specifically added mediocre, hidden filter options and labels in order to kill migration to G+. Once they were sure G+ was not a real threat, they stopped caring about those features they never wanted in the first place.
SilasX 8y ago
That covers the “I’m only sharing with this subset” feature. It doesn’t cover the “I want to see what this circle’s members are saying” feature.

felipeerias 8y ago

The Facebook feed is a slot machine.

UpshotKnothole 8y ago
At least slot machines have a chance (however low) of paying out. The Facebook feed is a slot machine and all of the prizes are used condoms and dirty needles.

solumos 8y ago

That's a really interesting perspective. In a sense, the only differences between clickbait listicle sites and Facebook are the infinite scrolling, the personalization, and who "owns" the ad network.

cryptonector 8y ago

It would also reduce the amount of time users spend on FB, which would be the biggest hit on advertising opportunities, really.

fossuser 8y ago

I'm pretty sure this is implemented on Facebook though it just isn't called 'circles' - I remember blog posts about the same functionality when Google+ launched, but I don't remember the details.

prostoalex 8y ago
Friend lists https://m.facebook.com/help/124794780932930/ https://m.facebook.com/help/124794780932930/

andreygrehov 8y ago

I unfollow (in contrast to unfriending) people who post things that I'm not interested in. I "hard follow" friends that post really cool stuff. By "hard following" I mean "See First" functionality of the the Newsfeed algorithm. It helps to keep my newsfeed more or less under control. I also try to teach the newsfeed to only show relevant ads by hiding those that I don't care about and clicking the ones I find interesting.

perl4ever 8y ago

"The whole point of the Facebook feed tinkering is to force you to wade through a river of shit" You know, I read this, and I thought "gee, Facebook is behaving a bit differently at the moment for me", because the last time I checked it, it showed maybe six posts and a message at the bottom that basically said I need more friends to see more posts. And then I realized...I installed uBlock Origin the other day and promptly forgot about it, so of course Facebook hates me. It's like the Soup Nazi - no dopamine for you! I was creeped out recently by how Facebook recommends people I've never met as friends; I've read some things that suggest it may be utilizing GPS data to try to match people in physical proximity, so I have to wonder if the recommendations are from the apartment building I live in.

opsroller 8y ago

Facebook has this already, and has had it since I joined in 2004.

jhabdas 8y ago

I love you.

mliker 8y ago

"There is no way Facebook would ever implement something like this." Except they did in 2011 in response to Google+ by adding Friend Lists, which you can use to filter your News Feed down to stories and news items from just friends in certain lists curated by you. This is still in existence today in 2018.

gcatalfamo 8y ago
Yes but it is so hidden and “ancient” that I would be surprised if more than 1% of users actively uses it.
- lowlevel 8y ago
  I’ve given up trying to find anything on facebook... I just post a picture once in a while and talk to whoever comments on it.
  - natecavanaugh 8y ago
    Search discovery is by far my biggest pain point, and I say it as a fan. I disagree with the GGP (I think) about Facebook wanting you to wade throw a river of crap so you stumble on ads. Their ads have been spot on to my interests so far. I think an onioned version of Google plus circles could help Facebok influence the AI without preventing discovery. But TBH, had G+ really been a contender at this point? This sounds like the creak of an abandoned house by now.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    I can't even use Facebook without it freezing anymore. I'm using containers and locking down on tracking (no umatrix or noscript though) and Facebook literally craps itself everytime I have it open, helps keep me off of it. It must be my exact setup cause I do the same setup on every laptop / workstation and it slows to a crawl, though mobile.facebook.com works just fine... oddly enough. And I know if I use a vanilla browser it works just fine...
    - 8y ago