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It really is just one of those things that works so well. I was traveling recently and met some folks at a hostel. At the end of the trip we wanted to share our

It really is just one of those things that works so well. I was traveling recently and met some folks at a hostel. At the end of the trip we wanted to share our photos and videos with each other. Our hostel's internet connection consisted of a weak wifi access point, connected to weak satellite internet, with dozens of people vying with each other for the available bandwidth. One of us suggested AirDrop and we sent dozens of photos and videos between us within a few minutes time. Maybe this seemed more impressive to me, after several days of suffering a terrible internet connection. It definitely stood out for me as being one of those moments where technology can make things easier and magical. I do wonder if there are patents on this, and if that has prevented other devices from adopting this kind of protocol?

userbinator 8y ago
I do wonder if there are patents on this, and if that has prevented other devices from adopting this kind of protocol? WiFi has always had AdHoc mode which enables two devices to directly communicate like they were on the same Ethernet link, and I've used it a few times for a similar use-case to yours. It seems AirDrop is just a layer on top of that which facilitates the configuration required, but otherwise it would probably not be too difficult to "roll your own" similar app.
- solarkraft 8y ago
  Doesn't Ad hoc force you to disconnect from your current Access Point? I'm under the impression that this is not the case with Air Drop.
  - FooHentai 8y ago
    Not in most cases, but it is somewhat chip (and driver) dependent). Miracast is another example of this - In most cases you can remain connected to your main network connection via Wi-Fi but also use Wi-Fi direct to run a casting session.
  - Hello71 8y ago
    Most cards nowadays support at least one ad-hoc and one infrastructure connection. Sometimes they have to be on the same frequency though, but it certainly wouldn't be hard for Apple to just buy one that supports multiple frequencies.
  - mcculley 8y ago
    This is why AirDrop only works on some newer hardware: It requires Wi-Fi interfaces which can do Ad-Hoc and Infrastructure mode simultaneously.
  - mstute 8y ago
    Yes, unless your AP and ad hoc networks are on the same channel, you need two Wi-Fi radios to support this. AWDL "solves" this problem by quickly switching between these channels and schedules frame transmissions when the radio is tuned to the correct channel so the operation is (almost) transparent for the user (obviously, you loose some airtime for channel switching and your average latency increases).
- MBCook 8y ago
  AirDrop can also use BT. I think it decides based on file size? Either way I imagine BT is used to help negotiate everything instead of just connecting to dozens of random ad-hoc networks. Aren’t many devices limited to one WiFi network (whether ad-hoc or infrastructure) at once? That would mean many devices couldn’t do this without breaking normal WiFi.

userbinator 8y ago

I do wonder if there are patents on this, and if that has prevented other devices from adopting this kind of protocol? WiFi has always had AdHoc mode which enables two devices to directly communicate like they were on the same Ethernet link, and I've used it a few times for a similar use-case to yours. It seems AirDrop is just a layer on top of that which facilitates the configuration required, but otherwise it would probably not be too difficult to "roll your own" similar app.

solarkraft 8y ago
Doesn't Ad hoc force you to disconnect from your current Access Point? I'm under the impression that this is not the case with Air Drop.
- FooHentai 8y ago
  Not in most cases, but it is somewhat chip (and driver) dependent). Miracast is another example of this - In most cases you can remain connected to your main network connection via Wi-Fi but also use Wi-Fi direct to run a casting session.
- Hello71 8y ago
  Most cards nowadays support at least one ad-hoc and one infrastructure connection. Sometimes they have to be on the same frequency though, but it certainly wouldn't be hard for Apple to just buy one that supports multiple frequencies.
- mcculley 8y ago
  This is why AirDrop only works on some newer hardware: It requires Wi-Fi interfaces which can do Ad-Hoc and Infrastructure mode simultaneously.
- mstute 8y ago
  Yes, unless your AP and ad hoc networks are on the same channel, you need two Wi-Fi radios to support this. AWDL "solves" this problem by quickly switching between these channels and schedules frame transmissions when the radio is tuned to the correct channel so the operation is (almost) transparent for the user (obviously, you loose some airtime for channel switching and your average latency increases).
MBCook 8y ago
AirDrop can also use BT. I think it decides based on file size? Either way I imagine BT is used to help negotiate everything instead of just connecting to dozens of random ad-hoc networks. Aren’t many devices limited to one WiFi network (whether ad-hoc or infrastructure) at once? That would mean many devices couldn’t do this without breaking normal WiFi.