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SiriusXM to Acquire Pandora

140 points by prostoalex 8y ago

crummy 8y ago
Both services seem like great ideas that have largely gone extinct. Radio that you never lose reception with... streaming music with a user-seeded playlist... just hard to get excited about in 2018. Or 2008 really.
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  Pandora was a first mover, and they have 70 million monthly users, they are the elephant in the room. As a teen I rather enjoyed certain SirusXM channels while driving in friends cars, and if there was a reasonably priced SirusXM/Pandora bundle, I may be tempted to subscribe. Combined these two companies have 100 million users. Pandora user count: https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2017/11/03/pandora-is-losing-850000-listeners-every-month/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2017/11/03/pandora... SirusXM User Count: http://investor.siriusxm.com/investor-overview/press-releases/press-release-details/2018/SiriusXM-Beats-2017-Subscriber-Guidance-Issues-2018-Subscriber-and-Financial-Guidance/default.aspx http://investor.siriusxm.com/investor-overview/press-release...
  - foota 8y ago
    (a nontrivial number of users might be subscribed to both though)
  - xenomachina 8y ago
    > if there was a reasonably priced SirusXM/Pandora bundle... The fact that SirusXM wants you to pay extra for their streaming service after you're already spending ~$16/month/radio makes me think that any kind of "reasonably priced" bundle is very unlikely.
  - ntsplnkv2 8y ago
    How many of those Users are just trials with new car purchases? My car came with 3 years of sirius xm...3 years. Free.
- Johnny555 8y ago
  I like Pandora - I don't feel like creating my own playlists and Pandora does a pretty good job of playing music I like after a few thumbs up/downs. Sometimes though I really want to listen to a particular artist and I use Amazon Music Unlimited for that, but their playlists are not as good (to me) as Pandora.
  - settsu 8y ago
    Pandora has an on-demand library for paid users but the catalog has inexcusable gaps for a music service in 2018 and isn’t s pleasure to use. Frankly the user experience for their app has needed help for at least a couple years.
- romwell 8y ago
  >streaming music with a user-seeded playlist... just hard to get excited about in 2018. Or 2008 really. The only reason why I think that may be the case is because Pandora has been doing it so well for a long time. I've never managed to get that out of other services. Am I doing things wrong? I'm all ears for suggestions, especially now that Pandora might go through some changes due to acquisition.
  - nightfly 8y ago
    Youtube music has done a decent job for me, better than anything Spotify has suggested, but still nowhere as good as Pandora.
    - solarkraft 8y ago
      Spotify often suggests me songs I already like but haven't listened to on the platform, which is a good sign to me. The suggestions are also just diverse enough for me to discover new stuff. I don't know Pandora or Youtube (though I have generally bad experience with its suggestions), but am pretty happy with Spotify.
      - romwell 8y ago
        >Spotify often suggests me songs I already like but haven't listened to on the platform This is exactly why I like Pandora, to the point of it being eerie at times. Like that one time when I was listening to a Trans Am[1] CD in my car, and thought - well, I've listened to that disk enough times already; let's listen to something new on Pandora -- and it gave me that exact track, while the band never popped up on any of my stations before! The band was not a station seed, and it's not a band with a huge presence either - I got their CD randomly somewhere. I know it's a coincidence, but just goes to show how well their algorithms are tuned. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Am_(band) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Am_(band)
    - romwell 8y ago
      Yes. The thing with Youtube is that it only can use one song as a seed, whereas with a Pandora station, you use multiple positive and negative seeds to trim the station to your taste. It's like comparing weeds growing in your backyard to a carefully trimmed bonsai tree. However, I'd go to Youtube for hand-picked playlists. There's always a place for that.
- compcoffee 8y ago
  >Radio that you never lose reception with And sadly this isn't even the case. I recently purchased a new car that came with the SiriusXM 3-month trial. We drop reception in the country and in town (among tall buildings). In fact, it drops more often than mobile internet (why doesn't XM have 10s buffer?). The subscription is also more expensive than Apple Music or Google Play Music and the car comes with Android Auto and CarPlay. How they expect to compete is beyond me. I guess that's why they bought Pandora.
  - cschmidt 8y ago
    I lose reception every time I drive under a bridge, for a couple of seconds. It does seem odd they can't do better.
  - josefresco 8y ago
    > why doesn't XM have 10s buffer? It's odd because some of the first generation Sirius radios touted "DVR" like functionality, which makes it clear that buffering is possible. I would imagine they started to phase out that element of the hardware because of cost (especially since most are bundled with the vehicle) In the same line of thinking, my navigation apps (Google Maps and Waze) also glitch out when driving through extended length tunnels (under Boston for example). I find this odd given that the app knows my route, and these tunnels are used by millions each year.
    - joezydeco 8y ago
      I worked on some of those XM radios with the DVR/buffering capability, before the merger. Really, it was just limited to the amount of storage you had. I think the one I did allowed up to 30 minutes but of course you lost it when you switched channels. The music is so insanely compressed (the best channels were 32 kbit AAC+) and RAM/Flash is so much cheaper now, it could really be anything you wanted these days. The satellite signal itself has a bit of time diversity in it (in case one of the birds disappears), like about 1500 mSec worth, as well as terrestrial backup transmitters in most cities (SXM's dirty little secret), so if you really have loss of signal you must be underground for a while.
owaislone 8y ago
The only amazing music streaming product I've seen was already acquired and killed off: Rdio. It was heads and shoulders above the rest, especially when it came to international content and recommendations. Their recommendations were amazing.
- eberfreitas 8y ago
  RIP Rdio... I also loved it. It had a great portfolio, the website was not massively heavy and it had a very nice design overall...
- dawnerd 8y ago
  I miss their api the most and being able to embed play any song using it.
- tjbarkley 8y ago
  I miss Grooveshark.
  - Spivak 8y ago
    Don't get me wrong Gooveshark had possibly the best UI of all the streaming services but it was largely successful because all the content was pirated.
    - tjbarkley 8y ago
      I know. I wish they had been able to go legit. As someone who went to UF (for CS) soon after they closed, I missed having a company like that in the area.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    Don't forget that semicolon.
- antidaily 8y ago
  Beautiful app. Better social/playlist and collection sharing. The only thing they were late on was downloading content for offline. But that eventually came too. RIP.
Deimorz 8y ago
Discussed earlier today here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18058748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18058748
ranman 8y ago
Pandora used to have a CLI that I would use daily - I could hop into a tab and + or - a song and get a constantly updating playlist. I haven’t used it in years though.
- Spivak 8y ago
  Pianobar?
chuckgreenman 8y ago
I really like Pandora as a discovery service, for some reason Spotify's Radio feature isn't quite as good yet.
- kyle-rb 8y ago
  Agreed; I discovered a lot of music through Pandora. In my experience Spotify tends to stagnate on the artist you seed the radio station with, whereas Pandora introduces more variety.
dave_aiello 8y ago
SiriusXM is more than a music service that competes with Apple Music, Google Play Music, YouTube Music, and Spotify. It is currently the only streaming service where I can get news and a wide range of live event programming via one app and/or the head unit in my car. Acquiring Pandora could be huge for SiriusXM provided they integrate Pandora into the SiriusXM app and don't raise SiriusXM packages beyond the historic rate of package price increases.
ranrotx 8y ago
My gripe with SiriusXM is their pricing model (worse than the cable company). You only buy it when they have a special which makes it 50% off, that is actually a fair price. However in 6 months it will auto-renew at the public rate, snd they hope you won’t notice or you’ll be too lazy to call. Their call center is horrendous but at least if you threaten to cancel they will magically find another special that’s good for 6 months. Wash, rinse, repeat. Don’t even get me started with their additional fees that they try and mask as being regulatory/licensing. That’s their freaking business, to license content so they can broadcast it. Just like the airlines, it pisses me off when they try and pass their cost of doing business (actually the whole basis of the product) off as an additional fee. I will never do business with them again due to these deceptive practices. Hopefully I’m not the only one.
- josefresco 8y ago
  You could replace "SiriusXM" in your comment with "<insert your ISP here>" and it would still be 100% relevant. Fortunately for you, SiriusXM is easily replaceable ... your ISP? Not so much.
  - lvh 8y ago
    My ISP doesn’t have anywhere near as shady marketing practices. Does yours regularly ignore do-not-call and do-not-mail requests? Do they send misleading envelopes that don’t have their brand on the outside? Mine (AT&T) doesn’t.
    - josefresco 8y ago
      I was speaking specifically to their predatory "intro rates" and added fees which obscure the actual price of the service.
      - dylz 8y ago
        Comcast most definitely does this in my area, and even withholds higher speed tiers unless you bundle with TV and phone. Luckily, I have the choice of getting gfiber for 1/3 the cost of comcast.
peterlk 8y ago
I haven't had a chance to rant about this in a while, so, I'll warn you that a rant is ahead. I get the sense that the pendulum is going to start swinging back again soon. The media companies have almost won control again, and they're going to repeat the same mistakes that they made before. The difference now is that they have the internet under fuller control. PirateBay, Grooveshark, Limewire, Napster. Those are the music distribution channels that I grew up with because the media companies squeezed too hard. I'm happy to pay for music, but I'm not happy to pay 5 different subscriptions to listen to a small amount of their libraries. When I buy music, I want it to be mine. I don't want to have access to someone else's music. It's my collection. My impression is that people haven't realized this yet, but they will. Soundcloud is a zombie - effectively dead. They abandoned their business model so they could grow more, and ceded power to the large record labels. Try looking for Jay-Z's "The Blueprint" on Spotify. How many people do you know who have a Deezer account? SiriusXM's acquisition of Pandora is like Verizon's acquisition of AOL. They're grabbing the long tail of users and platform integrations so that they have the negotiating power with Universal, WB, and Sony to push out the same music that our parents (and now, even their parents) listened to. I, for one, welcome the consolidation. The harder you lock the sidewalks down, the richer the underground becomes. And the underground is where creativity thrives. The solutions to illegally acquired music will have different technical implementations, but the same effect (ipv6 feels like it will be necessary in this), and my suspicion is that we'll start heading back that way in the next few years.
- squiguy7 8y ago
  > When I buy music, I want it to be mine. For me, Bandcamp has been the best site that holds true to this idea. My favorite band started releasing all of their music through Bandcamp because the pricing is fair for artists. And as a listener, I can download the music to my machine or stream it from the app after I have purchased it.
  - WorldMaker 8y ago
    Yeah, I try to search artists I find on Bandcamp first. Also, CDBaby and Magnatune are still great sites for their respective niches. (CDBaby started as a more traditional CD distributor and has moved increasingly into digital distribution, as opposed to Bandcamp starting with digital distribution and moving to physical distribution. Anyway, CDBaby has a larger back catalog of "older" stuff, and still some cases of for instance bands don't have digital distribution rights to their own stuff, but piles of old CDs to sell.) (Magnatune is a "not evil" record label. So their content is limited to just stuff they've "signed", but it's a beautiful, eclectic mix of stuff. Much of which you'll see reused in small to medium projects such as the videogame Braid's soundtrack, because their licensing has a good spectrum from non-commercial Creative Commons usage to relatively affordable commercial usage.)
maroonparty 8y ago
the one music service i used to love is songza which has handcurated playlist which are awesome but like any start up in media it was taken over by google
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blobbers 8y ago
Why is everyone reporting this deal is worth 3.5B. It's worth 2.5B.
- umeshunni 8y ago
  Pandora's press release says so http://blog.pandora.com/us/siriusxm-to-acquire-pandora-creating-worlds-largest-audio-entertainment-company/ http://blog.pandora.com/us/siriusxm-to-acquire-pandora-creat... "we announced that we’ve entered into an agreement to be acquired by SiriusXM, in an all-stock transaction, valued at approximately $3.5 billion" They're presumably paying a premium on the current stock price.
  - blobbers 8y ago
    Do the math yourself.
PretzelFisch 8y ago
I think this will be a good thing, it shows SiriusXM is going to extend their online presence which currently runs for $10 a month. If this price point starts to includes Pandora it's pretty compelling. Nice channels that are curated with a dj if you like or a well developed algorithmic playlist. As a business it's good they realize groth won't be coming much from their satellite network.
jdlyga 8y ago
To be honest, I haven't seriously used Pandora since around 2006 or 2007. It was wonderful for music discovery before the rise of smartphones and streaming services. I've had the Pandora app on my phone for years, but I rarely ever use it. I don't see how it can compete these days. So Sirius XM totally makes sense.

140 points by prostoalex 8y ago

Both services seem like great ideas that have largely gone extinct. Radio that you never lose reception with... streaming music with a user-seeded playlist... just hard to get excited about in 2018. Or 2008 really.

StudentStuff 8y ago
Pandora was a first mover, and they have 70 million monthly users, they are the elephant in the room. As a teen I rather enjoyed certain SirusXM channels while driving in friends cars, and if there was a reasonably priced SirusXM/Pandora bundle, I may be tempted to subscribe. Combined these two companies have 100 million users. Pandora user count: https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2017/11/03/pandora-is-losing-850000-listeners-every-month/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2017/11/03/pandora... SirusXM User Count: http://investor.siriusxm.com/investor-overview/press-releases/press-release-details/2018/SiriusXM-Beats-2017-Subscriber-Guidance-Issues-2018-Subscriber-and-Financial-Guidance/default.aspx http://investor.siriusxm.com/investor-overview/press-release...
- foota 8y ago
  (a nontrivial number of users might be subscribed to both though)
- xenomachina 8y ago
  > if there was a reasonably priced SirusXM/Pandora bundle... The fact that SirusXM wants you to pay extra for their streaming service after you're already spending ~$16/month/radio makes me think that any kind of "reasonably priced" bundle is very unlikely.
- ntsplnkv2 8y ago
  How many of those Users are just trials with new car purchases? My car came with 3 years of sirius xm...3 years. Free.
Johnny555 8y ago
I like Pandora - I don't feel like creating my own playlists and Pandora does a pretty good job of playing music I like after a few thumbs up/downs. Sometimes though I really want to listen to a particular artist and I use Amazon Music Unlimited for that, but their playlists are not as good (to me) as Pandora.
- settsu 8y ago
  Pandora has an on-demand library for paid users but the catalog has inexcusable gaps for a music service in 2018 and isn’t s pleasure to use. Frankly the user experience for their app has needed help for at least a couple years.
romwell 8y ago
>streaming music with a user-seeded playlist... just hard to get excited about in 2018. Or 2008 really. The only reason why I think that may be the case is because Pandora has been doing it so well for a long time. I've never managed to get that out of other services. Am I doing things wrong? I'm all ears for suggestions, especially now that Pandora might go through some changes due to acquisition.
- nightfly 8y ago
  Youtube music has done a decent job for me, better than anything Spotify has suggested, but still nowhere as good as Pandora.
  - solarkraft 8y ago
    Spotify often suggests me songs I already like but haven't listened to on the platform, which is a good sign to me. The suggestions are also just diverse enough for me to discover new stuff. I don't know Pandora or Youtube (though I have generally bad experience with its suggestions), but am pretty happy with Spotify.
    - romwell 8y ago
      >Spotify often suggests me songs I already like but haven't listened to on the platform This is exactly why I like Pandora, to the point of it being eerie at times. Like that one time when I was listening to a Trans Am[1] CD in my car, and thought - well, I've listened to that disk enough times already; let's listen to something new on Pandora -- and it gave me that exact track, while the band never popped up on any of my stations before! The band was not a station seed, and it's not a band with a huge presence either - I got their CD randomly somewhere. I know it's a coincidence, but just goes to show how well their algorithms are tuned. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Am_(band) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Am_(band)
  - romwell 8y ago
    Yes. The thing with Youtube is that it only can use one song as a seed, whereas with a Pandora station, you use multiple positive and negative seeds to trim the station to your taste. It's like comparing weeds growing in your backyard to a carefully trimmed bonsai tree. However, I'd go to Youtube for hand-picked playlists. There's always a place for that.
compcoffee 8y ago
>Radio that you never lose reception with And sadly this isn't even the case. I recently purchased a new car that came with the SiriusXM 3-month trial. We drop reception in the country and in town (among tall buildings). In fact, it drops more often than mobile internet (why doesn't XM have 10s buffer?). The subscription is also more expensive than Apple Music or Google Play Music and the car comes with Android Auto and CarPlay. How they expect to compete is beyond me. I guess that's why they bought Pandora.
- cschmidt 8y ago
  I lose reception every time I drive under a bridge, for a couple of seconds. It does seem odd they can't do better.
- josefresco 8y ago
  > why doesn't XM have 10s buffer? It's odd because some of the first generation Sirius radios touted "DVR" like functionality, which makes it clear that buffering is possible. I would imagine they started to phase out that element of the hardware because of cost (especially since most are bundled with the vehicle) In the same line of thinking, my navigation apps (Google Maps and Waze) also glitch out when driving through extended length tunnels (under Boston for example). I find this odd given that the app knows my route, and these tunnels are used by millions each year.
  - joezydeco 8y ago
    I worked on some of those XM radios with the DVR/buffering capability, before the merger. Really, it was just limited to the amount of storage you had. I think the one I did allowed up to 30 minutes but of course you lost it when you switched channels. The music is so insanely compressed (the best channels were 32 kbit AAC+) and RAM/Flash is so much cheaper now, it could really be anything you wanted these days. The satellite signal itself has a bit of time diversity in it (in case one of the birds disappears), like about 1500 mSec worth, as well as terrestrial backup transmitters in most cities (SXM's dirty little secret), so if you really have loss of signal you must be underground for a while.

owaislone 8y ago

The only amazing music streaming product I've seen was already acquired and killed off: Rdio. It was heads and shoulders above the rest, especially when it came to international content and recommendations. Their recommendations were amazing.

eberfreitas 8y ago
RIP Rdio... I also loved it. It had a great portfolio, the website was not massively heavy and it had a very nice design overall...
dawnerd 8y ago
I miss their api the most and being able to embed play any song using it.
tjbarkley 8y ago
I miss Grooveshark.
- Spivak 8y ago
  Don't get me wrong Gooveshark had possibly the best UI of all the streaming services but it was largely successful because all the content was pirated.
  - tjbarkley 8y ago
    I know. I wish they had been able to go legit. As someone who went to UF (for CS) soon after they closed, I missed having a company like that in the area.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Don't forget that semicolon.
antidaily 8y ago
Beautiful app. Better social/playlist and collection sharing. The only thing they were late on was downloading content for offline. But that eventually came too. RIP.

Deimorz 8y ago

Discussed earlier today here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18058748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18058748

ranman 8y ago

Pandora used to have a CLI that I would use daily - I could hop into a tab and + or - a song and get a constantly updating playlist. I haven’t used it in years though.

Spivak 8y ago
Pianobar?

chuckgreenman 8y ago

I really like Pandora as a discovery service, for some reason Spotify's Radio feature isn't quite as good yet.

kyle-rb 8y ago
Agreed; I discovered a lot of music through Pandora. In my experience Spotify tends to stagnate on the artist you seed the radio station with, whereas Pandora introduces more variety.

dave_aiello 8y ago

SiriusXM is more than a music service that competes with Apple Music, Google Play Music, YouTube Music, and Spotify. It is currently the only streaming service where I can get news and a wide range of live event programming via one app and/or the head unit in my car. Acquiring Pandora could be huge for SiriusXM provided they integrate Pandora into the SiriusXM app and don't raise SiriusXM packages beyond the historic rate of package price increases.

ranrotx 8y ago

My gripe with SiriusXM is their pricing model (worse than the cable company). You only buy it when they have a special which makes it 50% off, that is actually a fair price. However in 6 months it will auto-renew at the public rate, snd they hope you won’t notice or you’ll be too lazy to call. Their call center is horrendous but at least if you threaten to cancel they will magically find another special that’s good for 6 months. Wash, rinse, repeat. Don’t even get me started with their additional fees that they try and mask as being regulatory/licensing. That’s their freaking business, to license content so they can broadcast it. Just like the airlines, it pisses me off when they try and pass their cost of doing business (actually the whole basis of the product) off as an additional fee. I will never do business with them again due to these deceptive practices. Hopefully I’m not the only one.

josefresco 8y ago
You could replace "SiriusXM" in your comment with "<insert your ISP here>" and it would still be 100% relevant. Fortunately for you, SiriusXM is easily replaceable ... your ISP? Not so much.
- lvh 8y ago
  My ISP doesn’t have anywhere near as shady marketing practices. Does yours regularly ignore do-not-call and do-not-mail requests? Do they send misleading envelopes that don’t have their brand on the outside? Mine (AT&T) doesn’t.
  - josefresco 8y ago
    I was speaking specifically to their predatory "intro rates" and added fees which obscure the actual price of the service.
    - dylz 8y ago
      Comcast most definitely does this in my area, and even withholds higher speed tiers unless you bundle with TV and phone. Luckily, I have the choice of getting gfiber for 1/3 the cost of comcast.

peterlk 8y ago

I haven't had a chance to rant about this in a while, so, I'll warn you that a rant is ahead. I get the sense that the pendulum is going to start swinging back again soon. The media companies have almost won control again, and they're going to repeat the same mistakes that they made before. The difference now is that they have the internet under fuller control. PirateBay, Grooveshark, Limewire, Napster. Those are the music distribution channels that I grew up with because the media companies squeezed too hard. I'm happy to pay for music, but I'm not happy to pay 5 different subscriptions to listen to a small amount of their libraries. When I buy music, I want it to be mine. I don't want to have access to someone else's music. It's my collection. My impression is that people haven't realized this yet, but they will. Soundcloud is a zombie - effectively dead. They abandoned their business model so they could grow more, and ceded power to the large record labels. Try looking for Jay-Z's "The Blueprint" on Spotify. How many people do you know who have a Deezer account? SiriusXM's acquisition of Pandora is like Verizon's acquisition of AOL. They're grabbing the long tail of users and platform integrations so that they have the negotiating power with Universal, WB, and Sony to push out the same music that our parents (and now, even their parents) listened to. I, for one, welcome the consolidation. The harder you lock the sidewalks down, the richer the underground becomes. And the underground is where creativity thrives. The solutions to illegally acquired music will have different technical implementations, but the same effect (ipv6 feels like it will be necessary in this), and my suspicion is that we'll start heading back that way in the next few years.

squiguy7 8y ago
> When I buy music, I want it to be mine. For me, Bandcamp has been the best site that holds true to this idea. My favorite band started releasing all of their music through Bandcamp because the pricing is fair for artists. And as a listener, I can download the music to my machine or stream it from the app after I have purchased it.
- WorldMaker 8y ago
  Yeah, I try to search artists I find on Bandcamp first. Also, CDBaby and Magnatune are still great sites for their respective niches. (CDBaby started as a more traditional CD distributor and has moved increasingly into digital distribution, as opposed to Bandcamp starting with digital distribution and moving to physical distribution. Anyway, CDBaby has a larger back catalog of "older" stuff, and still some cases of for instance bands don't have digital distribution rights to their own stuff, but piles of old CDs to sell.) (Magnatune is a "not evil" record label. So their content is limited to just stuff they've "signed", but it's a beautiful, eclectic mix of stuff. Much of which you'll see reused in small to medium projects such as the videogame Braid's soundtrack, because their licensing has a good spectrum from non-commercial Creative Commons usage to relatively affordable commercial usage.)

maroonparty 8y ago

the one music service i used to love is songza which has handcurated playlist which are awesome but like any start up in media it was taken over by google

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blobbers 8y ago

Why is everyone reporting this deal is worth 3.5B. It's worth 2.5B.

umeshunni 8y ago
Pandora's press release says so http://blog.pandora.com/us/siriusxm-to-acquire-pandora-creating-worlds-largest-audio-entertainment-company/ http://blog.pandora.com/us/siriusxm-to-acquire-pandora-creat... "we announced that we’ve entered into an agreement to be acquired by SiriusXM, in an all-stock transaction, valued at approximately $3.5 billion" They're presumably paying a premium on the current stock price.
- blobbers 8y ago
  Do the math yourself.

PretzelFisch 8y ago

I think this will be a good thing, it shows SiriusXM is going to extend their online presence which currently runs for $10 a month. If this price point starts to includes Pandora it's pretty compelling. Nice channels that are curated with a dj if you like or a well developed algorithmic playlist. As a business it's good they realize groth won't be coming much from their satellite network.

jdlyga 8y ago

To be honest, I haven't seriously used Pandora since around 2006 or 2007. It was wonderful for music discovery before the rise of smartphones and streaming services. I've had the Pandora app on my phone for years, but I rarely ever use it. I don't see how it can compete these days. So Sirius XM totally makes sense.