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Actually I trust Microsoft more with Github than I would trust Google. Never imagined I would say this until few months ago. Also I just left free google consum
by ssijak 8y ago
Actually I trust Microsoft more with Github than I would trust Google. Never imagined I would say this until few months ago. Also I just left free google consumer services few days ago.
- s_dev 8y agoThe bigger and more authority something wields the more people should be should be inclined to be skeptical of it. More than a decade ago the behemoth was Microsoft. Now it's Google. I guess if those positions reversed again I'd go back to being more skeptical of Microsoft.
- kworker 8y agoMicrosoft still the largest software house. Of course Google is bigger on the web, but this doesn't make MS automatically a better choice even if it's fancy to call MS a trustworthy company as they invested few millions (out of billions) into FOSS ecosystem, basically because their cloud platform, meanwhile do everything to destroy competition everywhere else.
- tw04 8y ago>meanwhile do everything to destroy competition everywhere else. That's not even remotely true. Powershell core, SQL on Linux, WSL, vs code, etc etc. They're doing their best to give customers choice in just about every new product they release.
- tehbeard 8y agoDevelopers. Those are choices for developers, not their customers. Their customers are still primarily enterprise/gov. And the reason for giving choice and candy to the developers is to keep them onboard and happy to develop for the ecosystem, so that customers will continue to buy in as the ecosystem has what they need. I'm not saying WSL or VS Code are evil. They make developing on Windows a joy. But they make it a joy with that goal in mind.
- tw04 8y agoReally? SQL isn't free. Github isn't free. Linux on Azure isn't free. The only other apps they're selling on-prem to enterprises are Exchange and AD. In both cases, their focus is on moving customers to a hosted/cloud based version, so it's not something I would ever expect them to spend a ton of time and effort porting to another on-premises OS. For SMB they've become far, far more open both licensing it to third parties as well as helping out the samba crew with the open source version. Do you have a single example of them being openly hostile? Or you're just whining about them not open sourcing and giving away the farm?
- justinclift 8y ago> Do you have a single example of them being openly hostile? The spyware literally built into Win 10 - and backported to previous windows - which can't be disabled without third party products? To me, that's openly hostile to everyone. Note - "everyone" includes developers. I'm not sure why many people seem to give MS a free pass on this. :/
- tw04 8y agoHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection I'm not sure why everyone pretends this is an MS thing and not an industry thing :/
- justinclift 8y agoIs it really an industry thing? There do seem to be several large bad actors at present (MS being one of them), and but not sure it really extends to most of the IT industry. Maybe you're meaning some non-IT industry? eg Marketing?
- tehbeard 8y agoI feel like you hit reply on the wrong comment? Nowhere did I claim them to be hostile. I never expressed my thoughts on how they acquire business as good or bad. All I did was state that "They're doing their best" isn't out of the goodness of their hearts, there's a biz decision behind it. > Or you're just whining about them not open sourcing and giving away the farm? Way to try and attack my character. Never said a word of what you're accusing.
- Aeolun 8y agoI’m not sure I so much trust Microsoft as that I’m fairly certain they’re not actively out to fuck me over. With Google I’m not so sure any more. Hopefully I’ll soon be able to say goodbye as well.
- sureaboutthis 8y agoNobody thought that under Gates and Ballmer, either.
- pc86 8y agoEverybody thought Gates-era Microsoft was actively out to fuck over everyone it could. They happened to be right.
- akho 8y agoOut to fuck over competitors, not users (because to microsoft’s business, users = customers). Google is actively making users’ lives worse.
- ModernMech 8y agoUh, Microsoft's nickname in the 90s was the "Evil Empire".
- sureaboutthis 8y agoThat was after the fact.
- ThrowawayR2 8y agoNah, IBM was still the "Evil Empire" in the first half of the '90s, IIRC. They did things that make Microsoft and Google look like saints. Microsoft didn't take over the Evil Empire title until the late '90s, IMO.
- 8fingerlouie 8y agoI just have mail left to migrate, which in itself is proving quite difficult. Mail services are plentiful, paid or free, but mail for 5+ custom domains, where i'm not paying $5/mo per user, those are hard to come by. I'm planning on, once again, spinning up my own mailserver on a $5/mo VPS. Have lots of domains, but not that many users/traffic.
- 076ae80a-3c97-4 8y agohttps://mxroute.com/ https://mxroute.com/ is what I use for this very purpose and so far I'm very pleased with it.
- krautsourced 8y agoI'm also always actively looking, and they look interesting, but their recent blog posts don't fill me with too much confidence (although they have to be commended on being so open about it). Any personal experience there?
- 076ae80a-3c97-4 8y agoYeah, I'd agree about the recent blog posts. But I've been a customer of theirs for about a year and have only good things to say about the quality of the product. I think I originally came across them from another hacker news comment too. I used to run my own mail server for years but spam was becomming a problem as it always does when running your own system and I thought the pricing of most of the services was poor if you had lots of addresses but didn't send/receive many emails. Spam hasn't been an issue for me with mxroute so far and their infrastructure seems to be pretty solid.
- benbristow 8y agoUsed them for a bit. Their webmail is pants and the search is so slow. Switching to Google Suite has made my life much eaiser.
- 8fingerlouie 8y agoThis looks exactly like what i'm looking for. I'm slightly bothered by the fact that their servers are located in the worlds surveillance hotspots no. 2 and 3. but i guess email always has at least 2 involved parties, so it's not exactly "top secret".
- rqs 8y agoThere are difference between backing and acquiring. Plus, GitLab is open sourced and self-hostable. If Google wants to throw some of their money on something that end user can fully control, then why not be happy about it?
- village-idiot 8y agoBecause they’ve gotten pretty effective at the open source bait and switch too. Look at android.
- ThrowawayR2 8y ago> GitLab is open sourced ... GitLab is open core, not open source. They say so themselves: https://about.gitlab.com/2016/07/20/gitlab-is-open-core-github-is-closed-source/ https://about.gitlab.com/2016/07/20/gitlab-is-open-core-gith...
- dsumenkovic 8y agoYou are right about the open-core. However, in that blog-post, Sid mentioned that we are an open-source company and remarked that open-core is the more accurate term.
- flyinglizard 8y agoMicrosoft, since Satya took over, is a developer-first company. Everything they're doing is designed to give developers better tools on whatever platform they choose. As we're all aware by now, Google is an advertising company (with a heap of technology, but it's still a company which primarily sells advertising).
- chatmasta 8y agoTo be fair to Google (and I say that as a massive skeptic), they are diversifying their business model, most notably by offering cloud services and developer tools. At one point 98% of their revenue was from advertising, and probably they saw the writing on the wall that it was time to diversify. Google Cloud seems to be doing well. I’m not sure what the revenue breakdown is now, but also not sure we can entirely call them an advertising company anymore.
- baxtr 8y agoRoughly 84% of their revenue is coming through ads. I think it’s fair to call them an advertising company https://martechtoday.com/google-posts-31-1b-in-total-revenue-beats-top-and-bottom-line-expectations-214433 https://martechtoday.com/google-posts-31-1b-in-total-revenue...
- flyinglizard 8y agoAnd I'd say that a significant portion of the remaining 16% is a byproduct of platforms for selling ads (e.g. Android) or just monetizing infrastructure Google had anyhow to serve ad related services (GCS, Google Drive). The one thing coming to mind which is not designed to boost advertising is their Pixel line (after they killed the rest of their hardware, of course) but even that is not as much of a standalone activity as it is a way to effectively steer the future of the Android ecosystem. Ask yourself this: Which Google products or services would have justification as standalone P&L units, without collecting user data and sending it to the mothership? Not too many.
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- zaarn 8y agoYeah I would agree there, I'd rather take Github over Gitlab if Google takes over *lab.
- sureaboutthis 8y agoMicrosoft only left US Federal oversight seven years ago. Satya has only been in charge for four years. Do you think the mindset of an international 130,000 employee company can change that fast?
- village-idiot 8y agoYes. Because you don’t have to change all of it. A lot of those people are in support, logistics, or working in extremely stable projects (e.g. office). Besides, the risk here is toxic managerial choices, and you can and do swap out VPs and similar over half a decade.
- Kalroth 8y agoThe changes that Satya implemented were only possible because the majority of employees agreed with his vision. Anecdotally speaking, the culture enforced by Ballmer was not that popular among Microsoft's employees.
- sureaboutthis 8y agoYour two sentences contradict each other. If Ballmer's implementations were unpopular with employees, why did he hold office for so long? What I'm saying is, employees don't get to decide how a company is run.
- ABS 8y agoarguably true but irrelevant: Alphabet's GV has invested, along with others, in GitLab (and they had already last year as well). They haven't bought GitLab
- dsumenkovic 8y agoHere are more details about Series C round of investment https://about.gitlab.com/2017/10/09/gitlab-raises-20-million-to-complete-devops/ https://about.gitlab.com/2017/10/09/gitlab-raises-20-million....
- agentPrefect 8y agoMe too.
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