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iOS 12 released

457 points by sahin-boydas 8y ago

usaphp 8y ago
I like that you can now swipe up the app to quit it instead of long press.
dang 8y ago
Please don't editorialize in titles here. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. (Submitted title was "iOS 12 released. - What do you think? - What is missing?")
- alfredmuffin 8y ago
  who cares
  - joshstrange 8y ago
    The moderators of this website (dang being one of them) do and the site guidelines are very clear on this point.
    - alfredmuffin 8y ago
      who cares
      - sctb 8y ago
        At some level you have a point, but on the level of Hacker News as a discussion forum on the internet with a specific purpose and established conventions, as well as guidelines which document the primary ones, this point doesn't land. So could you please comment civilly and substantively? That's why we're here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        alfredmuffin 8y ago
        no one cares
jedberg 8y ago
I've been using the beta for a few months now. Overall I'm pretty impressed. It really does make my phone work better than before. But I'm most excited about Waze support on CarPlay, which does not appear to have dropped today.
- joezydeco 8y ago
  What's the typical sequence when a new iOS version hits and then all the apps that were developed in beta need to release fully?
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    They're given a couple days to submit apps built with the golden master version of Xcode. Usually, this is on the day the new iPhones are announced.
    - pbarnes_1 8y ago
      And every year Apple introduces bugs in the GM build that weren't there in the last beta build. Always fun to be an iOS dev. :)
    - djrogers 8y ago
      We got the GMs last Monday, so we got a week to regression test against it vs the previous betas.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        Well, the Xcode GM dropped with the new hardware because it contains references to it. So you weren't allowed to submit with a beta toolchain before then.
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    They've been allowed to post on the store for a couple of days, I think. I installed a bunch of updates yesterday and most of them were "Added Siri Shortcuts support."
36bydesign 8y ago
For iCloud Drive, we should be able to manage which files are saved locally and which aren’t. As is, documents can be manually downloaded but there’s no way to reverse it and have the given documents stored back only in the cloud (freeing up local storage). Then magically a week or more later stuff is uploaded and no longer stored locally. It feels fickle and frustrating.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  It's been a lond time, but I read that you can add specific suffixes to folder names to control syncing. I think it was ".nosync" and ".tmp"
  - Terretta 8y ago
    Cool tip, thank you. https://forum.keyboardmaestro.com/t/exclude-files-folders-from-sierra-icloud-sync/6685 https://forum.keyboardmaestro.com/t/exclude-files-folders-fr... Also "Bailiff": "Bailiff is a simple menubar app which lets you evict iCloud files and folders from local storage, or download them when you want. Saves your Mac’s startup disk from getting cluttered with files you don’t want or use." https://eclecticlight.co/downloads/ https://eclecticlight.co/downloads/
  - h1d 8y ago
    Not sure what kind of dumb method this is. You can't possibly change a project's folder name just because of your need. At least if it was by creating an empty file with that name. Also iCloud Drive's synching has been an utter mess and I gave up after nothing syncs at random times.
    - nkkollaw 8y ago
      > Not sure what kind of dumb method this is That's not very nice. I'm just trying to help and that seems to be the only thing that seems to be working. I don't work at Apple, so...
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  This is what I'm waiting for to move wholesale from Dropbox to iCloud Drive, some sort of file attribute that can be sent to say "only store in cloud, keep a local stub" or "ensure always locally cached/pinned locally". Would also love to see iCloud be a Time Machine backup target.
nkkollaw 8y ago
I don't know, I've watched the keynote, and it just looked to me like Allison was right in saying that the company without Steve Jobs would go down. Pretty considerably and pretty quickly, too, IMO.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  Which keynote are you talking about? I thought the release of iOS 12 at WWDC was relatively well received.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    The one about the new iPhones, not WWDC.
- rimliu 8y ago
  So in 7 years since SJ died they went to be 1T company. It that fast enough and down enough yet?
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    If money is your only metric, sure. There are also borderline criminal corporations that do great in the stock market while enslaving children and destroying the environment. In the meantime, Apple managed to piss off most of their creative/developers user base, their software got so bad from a usability point of view that it's become a nightmare to use, their hardware barely gets upgraded and they need class actions to acknowledge that their idiotic inventions make computers unusable as computers (keyboard fiasco). As for their most successful product (the iPhone): the notch, removing the headphone jack and removing the home button, and other design choices might be a matter of preference, but look very misguided to me--to the point that if anyone gave me any of their newer phones I wouldn't hesitate to sell it and buy a decent one from another brand. What has Apple done in the last few years? A bigger iPad? A keyboard that stops working if dust gets under the keys? Removed a few ports people would use every day so that their products are a few millimeters thinner? The only reason why Apple makes money is because it's a status symbol to have Apple products and they sell overpriced, inferior hardware components, not because their products are worth the money anymore. I think people will wake up to that, sooner or later.
noncoml 8y ago
I was hoping to see some Siri improvements but unfortunately nothing major there. It does seem like they fixed the issue where Siri would give you snarky replies when it misunderstand you, but that’s about it.
- microtherion 8y ago
  Many Siri changes happen on the server, with no client changes necessary, so they would not necessarily be announced in an OS release announcement.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  Apps can let you assign custom commands in Siri now. Some examples here: https://www.cultofmac.com/576807/these-apps-just-got-an-ios-12-and-siri-shortcuts-overhaul/ https://www.cultofmac.com/576807/these-apps-just-got-an-ios-... Requiring you to record your own phrases has a big tradeoff in that all your apps don't get automatic Siri support across all of their features, but it avoids the homophone hijacking and discoverability problems that other voice assistants have run into. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/08/researchers-show-alexa-skill-squatting-could-hijack-voice-commands/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/08/resea...
ivraatiems 8y ago
I'm still on iOS 10 on my iPhone SE. Why should I upgrade? Even if there was a convincing reason to, I'm afraid performance will tank, as it often does on older iPhones getting their last update.
- adpirz 8y ago
  "iOS 12 on the iPhone 5S, iPhone 6 Plus, and iPad Mini 2: It’s actually faster!" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/ios-12-on-the-iphone-5s-iphone-6-plus-and-ipad-mini-2-its-actually-faster/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/ios-12-on-the-iphone...
  - ivraatiems 8y ago
    This is persuasive, but I wonder why they didn't test the SE. Maybe because the 5S is older but quite similar/appeals to the same market?
    - edbaskerville 8y ago
      The SE is basically a 6 in the 5S form factor.
      - xuki 8y ago
        6s
      - masklinn 8y ago
        It has the 6S's internal hardware, not the 6's. So it's way more powerful than the 6, let alone the 5S.
        ahakki 8y ago
        There are actually two phones called iphone se. It was updated from iphone6 hardware to iphone6s hardware partway through it’s life cycle withou a change to the name. The updated SE is also availible in rose gold while the original was not.
kbos87 8y ago
“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.
- kyrra 8y ago
  Though I believe Apple bowed to China to give them access to Chinese citizen's iCloud data. But you can operate an iPhone without iCloud fairly easily, which is definitely nice. Doing more on-device helps them here. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-china-user-data-state-run-telecom-privacy-security https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi...
  - Rjevski 8y ago
    Can’t you just select US sad your country when setting up the iCloud account and use a VPN? Or are Chinese devices different at the hardware level and only allow connecting to the Chinese (compromised) iCloud?
    - btian 8y ago
      VPNs in China get blocked all the time.
      - torstenvl 8y ago
        Even private VPNs? I'm not that smart about networking but it seems like it would be difficult to distinguish an SSL/TLS connection to your DigitalOcean server because you're doing normal stuff and one where you're tunneling HTTPS through it.
        selectodude 8y ago
        Their deep packet inspection tech is very very good.
gnicholas 8y ago
From the update description: Portrait mode improvements preserve fine detail between subject and background when using Stage Light and Stage Light Mono effects I thought that iOS 12 would improve this for Portrait mode generally. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and sure hope that these benefits are available on my iPhone (which doesn't have these specific effects — just vanilla Portrait mode). Has anyone see improvements in Portrait mode in the beta?
- fuxufu 8y ago
  As far as I know (and can see on my 7+) there are no visisble improvements. But 3rd party apps e.g. like Halide can use the new APIs for more accurate background blur.
- oflannabhra 8y ago
  Here is a decent breakdown (unfortunately as a Twitter thread): https://twitter.com/tobiasdm/status/1007229233104588801 https://twitter.com/tobiasdm/status/1007229233104588801 also (from the Halide.app dev): https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1027072222425317376 https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1027072222425317376
  - gnicholas 8y ago
    Thanks for these! I'd seen the latter, and assumed that if the edge detection algo was refined, then it would be available everywhere that it's used. From the other commenter, it seems like maybe not. I wish I'd taken some "before" photos so that I could compare after updating.
makmanalp 8y ago
Oh finally, I'm so happy about the notifications / do not disturb functionality - super annoying to have chat and email notifications popping up all the time and having to fully disable / reenable them.
Tomte 8y ago
A friend of mine is still running her iPhone 6 on the original iOS version, so probably iOS 8. It would slow down with iOS 12, right? Those speed gains are compared to non-ancient versions?
- joezydeco 8y ago
  I'm on a 5S and the speed gain from iOS 11 to 12 is noticable. Not vast, but noticable.
  - mikestew 8y ago
    Unfortunately, that does not answer the question: is iOS 12 slower than iOS 8? Sure, 12 is faster than 11, it's what Apple has been touting. But maybe 11 was a dog, and 8 was a speed demon. That said, I sure don't know the answer, or even much of an educated guess.
    - masklinn 8y ago
      11 was absolutely a dog. I don't think I remember the 8 as a speed demon though.
- pfranz 8y ago
  I have a 6s. iOS 11 was pretty annoying and my battery drained noticeably quicker--I was bummed with the upgrade but I think I wanted it for AirPods support. Also I remember the "instant camera" was a feature demoed when the phone was first released and iOS 11 took 5-10 seconds to bring up the camera. I've been using the 12 beta for months and it immediately fixed those things. I'm not sure if the camera is as snappy as the original iOS, but it's less than a second. I'm not sure how this all compares to the original iOS it shipped with, though.
  - h1srf 8y ago
    I have a 6s that's still on 10. Reading this and other comments make me think that maybe 12 won't be too bad. There's a few apps out there that I use that don't work with 10 anymore and so this may be the time for me to upgrade.
joezydeco 8y ago
I'm really psyched to have the new Screen Time feature working across my family. It's got some quirks which I suppose will be smoothed out in time, but it's still lightyears better than previous third-party programs. The only thing I wish Apple had done was create a separate app to control the restrictions, or at least provide an API so someone else could do it. Digging all the way into Settings to change time and lockout settings is already a pain.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Yes it is a marketing move but it also makes things a lot easier for Apple. It can’t be forced to give up data to law enforcement that it doesn’t have and it lessens the amount of data that can be stolen in a security breach.
  - joezydeco 8y ago
    sorry, what does Screen Time have to do with law enforcement/privacy?
    - komali2 8y ago
      Your OP might have meant to reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18008519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18008519
      - scarface74 8y ago
        Yeah I replied to the wrong post.
- m3kw9 8y ago
  Just add the screen time widget and access from there, like it’s own app.
  - joezydeco 8y ago
    That's a good start, thanks.
babl-yc 8y ago
This the most stable iOS beta I've ever used. It's exciting to see Apple focus on quality, even if the marketing page doesn't end up as flashy.
- jug 8y ago
  Yes, it’s been completely different compared to both iOS 10 and 11 betas where the latter can barely be called stable even in the GM release. I hope it’s the fruits of some change in engineering.
- speg 8y ago
  Already noticing small but appreciated performance improvements. Share sheet and app switching both came up noticeably quicker. Am loving shortcuts, looks like they didn't dumb it down. There's even an SSH action.
  - X-Istence 8y ago
    Which app is providing the SSH action?
    - speg 8y ago
      No idea, I didn't dig into it. I think it had the general "Settings" gear as the icon so maybe it's provided by iOS?
    - tmottabr 8y ago
      It is the app formally named "workflow" that apple acquired some time ago. It got renamed to "shortcut" for iOS 12 and has this ssh action in it. If you already had the old "workflow" app it will be updated to the new "shortcut" app, if you do not have it you need to install it from the App Store.
      - X-Istence 8y ago
        I am familiar with shortcuts, but I didn't think that there was an actual SSH action that was shipped with it, I thought there was an SSH action that an application may be providing. I'll have to check it out.
ex3ndr 8y ago
Does anyone know if Mojave is going to be as awesome as this iOS update?
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  I'm really curious if it will be "the new El Capitan", if not "the new Snow Leopard."
- kristofferR 8y ago
  It's definitely faster/smoother, and the dark mode is awesome. Other than that the differences aren't that big.
vermooten 8y ago
It's got zero (0) new features that interest me.
- jwr 8y ago
  Performance doesn’t interest you? I wish we stopped requiring "features" from every software release. I'd rather have less "features", but get software that works better.
Confiks 8y ago
Does anyone know if and what concrete changes have been made to Core NFC, beyond the speculation beforehand [1]? I understand there has been a beta of iOS 12 for a while now. The documentation still shows information for iOS 11 [2] [1] https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/25/apple-will-reportedly-open-up-nfc-in-ios-12/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/25/apple-will-reportedly-open-up... [2] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/corenfc https://developer.apple.com/documentation/corenfc
- therockhead 8y ago
  The WWDC app has a new short video called “What’s new in Core NFC” which mentiones the new features in the Iphones such as reading NFC in the background.
  - ecesena 8y ago
    Any news on writes? I assume no... :/
    - mofe 8y ago
      unfortunately not, waiting hard :/
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
beerlord 8y ago
Its impressive that Apple is still supporting the iPhone 5S - a device released in 2013. By contrast Google's Nexus 5 flagship Android phone, also released in 2013, received its last major updated in 2015. 5 years of software updates (and probably more to come) vs 2 years - that's why I switched from Android to iPhone.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  The iPhone 4s was the first device to support five major software versions. Here's hoping that the devices will be able to support more and more based on 1) hardware improvements in power and 2) software improvements on performance.
- baddox 8y ago
  That's why I always chuckle when people accuse Apple of planned obsolescence. I'm sure Apple would prefer that you update your iPhone every year, but relative to all other Android flagships I'm aware of, 5 years of OS updates is massive.
  - LMYahooTFY 8y ago
    I'm not sure how what you say negates the possibility that planned obsolescence is part of Apple's business?
- cromwellian 8y ago
  That’s mostly a function of controlling your own CPU architecture, as android IHVs are heavily dependent on updates from Qualcomm and others. Also, while they have supported old devices, they do from time to time unceremoniously make old apps incompatible which then stop working. Microsoft still has them beat in terms of backwards app compatibility in Os upgrades and MS did it over a diverse ecosystem of hardware which is far more costly.
sergiotapia 8y ago
>FaceTime with up to 32 people at once. "Why would I _ever_ want to do that?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqXzYGN-gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqXzYGN-gs
- abledon 8y ago
  atleast time stamp it . god.
nrjames 8y ago
My guess is that the privacy/tracking on Safari is going to be turned on for all apps. iOS will soon keep track, at the OS level, of whether apps are allowed to access your Advertising ID. If you say no, then ad-based apps simply will not be able to access your advertising ID and/or SKAdNetwork will be used at the system level to anonymize you as a user. Not sure what they will do with other tracking (like analytics). https://developer.apple.com/documentation/storekit/skadnetwork https://developer.apple.com/documentation/storekit/skadnetwo...
wincy 8y ago
So from my testing with the beta, then having to roll back and losing 100GB of music, be aware that if you have an original Apple Watch, it’s not compatible with iOS12.
- DenisM 8y ago
  The just-release Watch OS 5 is compatible with Watch 1: https://www.apple.com/watchos/watchos-5/ https://www.apple.com/watchos/watchos-5/ so w 1 should be compatible with iOS 12
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    "Series 1" is not the original Apple Watch model. Confusingly, that's officially named "Apple Watch First Generation" and colloquially called "Series 0". When they released the Series 2 with better processor, GPS, brighter screen and better waterproofing, they simultaneously killed the "Series 0" and launched the Series 1 as the low price model. It got the new processor but not the other improvements. That leaves the Series 0 as the only one with the original crappy processor, and support for that has been dropped in watchOS 5.
    - DenisM 8y ago
      Indeed. I had no idea. Thank you. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204507#link5 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204507#link5
decebalus1 8y ago
> “Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” Does that also apply to PRISM? I mean can I share with the NSA only what I want on my own terms?
scotchio 8y ago
I blindly accept these new Terms and Conditions.
- throwaway5250 8y ago
  I, for one, welcome these new Terms and Conditions.
anselmio 8y ago
The new Shortcuts app by Apple (must be downloaded separately: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/workflow/id915249334?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/workflow/id915249334?mt=8) is definitely interesting. An example from the description: "Run custom scripts in Safari with the new Run JavaScript on Web Page action". Edit: Just discovered that there's also "Run Script Over SSH" that takes input passed to a shell script (stdin) and returns the output from the shell script (stdout).
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  Minor note for former Workflow users, it appears that the old Workflow app automatically updates to Apple's new Shortcuts app when you install the release version. I'd been on the public beta and was surprised to see Shortcuts preinstalled when I updated.
  - OkGoDoIt 8y ago
    Anyone notice any major downsides, regressions, feature removals? The original app was powerful but quite complicated to use, I imagine Apple dumbed it down a bit for widespread adoption.
    - rcarmo 8y ago
      I lost most of my publishing shortcuts, which was expected, but lost the complication in the Apple Watch and its button launcher, which was critical for my commutes...
      - knolan 8y ago
        They added the ability to record a custom Siri command to trigger a workflow, perhaps that might help.
        rcarmo 8y ago
        No, they also broke all forms of watch input. There is zero UI for shortcuts on the watch, so I can’t tap a complication and use a simple menu to fetch ETAs for public transit anymore.
spleen 8y ago
The update seems to have messed up the color profile on iPhone X. Colors are brighter, more saturated, more washed out and generally crappier.
- invalidusernam3 8y ago
  Isn't "brighter, more saturated" basically the opposite of "more washed out"?
  - spleen 8y ago
    I’d focus on crappier. :)
  - thestephen 8y ago
    I would guess that OP means that it is overly satured, and therefore that some color information is lost. I noticed this sometimes happening for a few seconds when switching out from some apps that play video while having high brightness. I haven't had it occur permanently, though.
- kristjansson 8y ago
  Just on the lock screen for me.
- gnicholas 8y ago
  I saw some weirdness on my iPhone 7 Plus also. The green icon for the Nextdoor app seems different/brighter. I thought it was just me, but perhaps it's not.
- willstrafach 8y ago
  My device is experiencing this strange problem as well. Glad to know it is not just me.
- thirdsun 8y ago
  And I thought I was just imagining things. Then again I always had the feeling that the color profile slightly adjusted after major iOS releases. It always felt slightly off for a short time.
xal 8y ago
After installing it, head to https://purecycles.com/products/urban-commuter-bike https://purecycles.com/products/urban-commuter-bike to see the best feature. Placing 3D models in your house via ARKit right from Safari. Writeup on this Shopify rollout: https://www.shopify.ca/blog/shopify-ar https://www.shopify.ca/blog/shopify-ar
- gpickett00 8y ago
  That's really cool. I'm looking forward to more sites implementing this. Imagine if every Amazon product had this.
  - LyndsySimon 8y ago
    ... or every IKEA product!
    - thestephen 8y ago
      Although not _every_ product, such a thing exists! https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ikea-place/id1279244498?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ikea-place/id1279244498?mt=8
- colinramsay 8y ago
  I see the ability to overlay a transparent image over what I’m seeing through my camera. Am I missing something?
  - wmblaettler 8y ago
    It does plane detection and can place a 3d object on that plane, scaled accordingly. You can move the phone around the plane (floor, tabletop, etc) and the object stays fixed as if it were physically in that place. The 3d object is also textured and takes into account ambient lighting to shade it. The result is actually rather impressive!
chrisper 8y ago
How is using a custom keyboard on iOS? I remember it being really bad... like it always resetting to the stock keyboard etc.
- ender341341 8y ago
  The only problem I have with it is you can't use them for password fields. It would be nice if my password manager could provide a keyboard.
  - chrisper 8y ago
    Ah dang. That's something I would really miss from Android (Kepass Keyboard).
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    You'll be pleased to see this: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/password-autofill-ios-12-with-1password/ https://www.macrumors.com/guide/password-autofill-ios-12-wit...
    - aeontech 8y ago
      Oh, that is so cool!
  - occamschainsaw 8y ago
    It works with Lastpass too!
  - apazzolini 8y ago
    LastPass has a "share" action that will autofill - I think that should work regardless of keyboard.
- stupidcar 8y ago
  I use the swipable Google keyboard and it's generally OK. About 5% of the time an app will use the default Apple one, I think because they're using some kind of secure entry API.
zoltaan 8y ago
Damn! There comes the bullying of upgrading. :( I am sure they want the best for us when they shove it down our throat.
- jen729w 8y ago
  “Shoving it down your throat” would mean that you had no choice but to install it. You do have a choice. Just ignore the red dot. It’s not that hard. Although why you’d want to is beyond me. We’ve been saying this here since iOS was a thing. People didn’t want to go from 6 to 7, or 7 to 8, and now 11 to 12. And yet, here we all are.
  - zoltaan 8y ago
    In case you really do not understand please google 'disable ios update notifications' (note the hit count), or alike. (you must have limited experience in iOS despite of your long time exposure)
    - sctb 8y ago
      Please don't be personally thorny towards other users. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - zoltaan 8y ago
        Do you want to suppress my perception? The tone of the answer was in tune of the reply, if one was thorny, the other too. You may choose to see that the other user was intentionally ignoring common knowledge to pick condescending tone, but you chose not to. You should not be arbitrarily partial. Thanks!
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    I didn't go from 10 to 11, and I think it was a justifiable decision.
Invictus0 8y ago
Still satisfied with iOS 10. The only thing that interests me in the updates anymore is the security and the tables in Notes (iOS 10 doesn't have that).
blattimwind 8y ago
Can you now finally toggle location data in the control center?
- blattimwind 8y ago
  Nope.
wiredfool 8y ago
I hope they've fixed the bug in Mail.app where it fixates on a particular message from a month ago, which then requires you to scroll like a hamster to get to the latest messages. And then then next time as well. This has been around for a while, so I'm not really holding my breath.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  I'm personally hoping for correct message ordering in iMessage. It frequently puts replies to questions before the question had been asked, so reading back through conversations makes very little sense. That's been around for years as well, so again no holding my breath. At least it's faster!
  - Jtsummers 8y ago
    Which iOS version do you have? I recall that same issue, but it was fixed in one of the .x updates, but I don't recall which major version number.
    - wlesieutre 8y ago
      Still happens on 11.4.1, I've got an obvious one last Saturday where I sent a photo and my friend's response to it is placed above as if it were sent before they even saw the photo. We're both in the same time zone with correctly set clocks. I appreciate Apple's stance on privacy, but I'm still talking to a lot of people on Messenger because the messages go in the right order there.
      - Jtsummers 8y ago
        Huh, weird. That disappeared from my devices and my friends' and families' devices, so I thought it had been resolved. TIL.
      - beagle3 8y ago
        iMessage appears to trust the time stamp from the originating device. If it’s off, message ordering will be wrong. There’s someone whose texts to me are always “1m from now” when they arrive.
multibit 8y ago
> Safari also prevents advertisers from collecting your device’s unique characteristics, so they can’t identify your device or retarget ads to you across the web. Probably easier to do anti-fingerprinting on such a homogenous group of devices.
rdl 8y ago
Less buggy than iOS 10 or iOS 11 releases on launch day, at least for me on a range of different devices.
TwoQ 8y ago
The only reason I have yet to move fully to Android is because right now, Android without Google is such a neutered experience that I don't see any reason to try. I only have an iPhone because of Apple's privacy stance. I hate every other element of the company.
kylemuir 8y ago
This was a bit jarring to me: Apple takes a big stance on privacy as a fundamental human right but feel free to spy on what your kids are up to?
- epicide 8y ago
  It can be taken too far, but generally, if you paid for their device and you're legally responsible for their well-being and things they do on the internet, then I don't see the issue. Combine this with the fact that the kid doesn't have to use the device for anything/everything. It's like wanting to know where the kid is driving if you paid for the car, the insurance, and you're legally and financially responsible if they hit someone/something. Again, I do believe this can be taken too far (and I don't know exactly where the line is). Paying for a phone doesn't give you right to spy on absolutely everything. I haven't seen anything that is beyond just app usage time, though.
gdubs 8y ago
I’ve been on the beta all summer and the “screen time” feature has been a nice weekly update. Def have made an effort to cut down the time due to seeing the stats every Sunday. (Though, happily they weren’t as bad as I’d imagined they might be.)
jiveturkey 8y ago
anyone know if css backdrop-filter memory exhaustion bug is fixed? if not, i'll wait for the point release.
- yborg 8y ago
  It's not, but it exists in 11 as well.
- procinct 8y ago
  Is there any particular reason why you want to wait until this bug is fixed? It seems unlikely you would ever run into it in real life outside of the demo.
  - jiveturkey 8y ago
    just because of churn. there’s sure to be an update very soon. not because i expect to actually run across the attack.
ex3ndr 8y ago
This is just awesome, installed iOS 12 on iPod Touch 6 and my react-native app has stable 58-60fps during scrolling of the large list of messages! Impressive!
retromario 8y ago
"On devices without 3D Touch, touch and hold the keyboard Space bar to turn your keyboard into a trackpad" This is subtle but huge. One of the main reasons to get a phone with 3D touch is/was the ability to easily move your cursor when typing. This makes the XR model (which lacks 3D touch) a lot more enticing.
- anreekoh 8y ago
  Finally. Man I’ve had this feature on my jailbroken devices for over 4 years. And every update I would hope they would add this. Clicking around with the cursor was always so stupid because almost all quick cursor changes would be ~10 characters back, aka not a huge amount of movement. Some keyboards have this feature like Nintype (which is over engineered imo), but I’ve always wanted this natively. Glad to see it coming.
- bschwindHN 8y ago
  I GBoard had a proper version of this, theirs only allows horizontal scrolling
ihuman 8y ago
MacStories has published their yearly review of the new iOS. The 42250-word long breakdown of iOS 12 goes into detail on every new feature. https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-review/ https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-rev...
- kristofferR 8y ago
  Everyone here who is a developer or interested in automation should read page 7-9. https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-review/7/#content https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-rev...
sizzle 8y ago
Will iPhone ever get bootcamp functionality to run Android, similar to how macOS can run windows? From a legal perspective, could they allow the ability to boot Android without fear of lawsuit, given they allow you to boot Windows via bootcamp? Putting technical feasibility aside, I would be iPhone for life if that was even possible.
jasonrhaas 8y ago
Its nice to see an update that is focused on better performance, better privacy, and better control over those annoying notifications.
hardmath123 8y ago
> Contactless student ID cards. With contactless student ID cards in Wallet, you can use your iPhone all over campus to access places like your dorm, the library, and events; or pay for laundry, snacks, and dinners. This sounds amazing.
epynonymous 8y ago
anyone know what library the stock app uses for its charts? the redesigned stock app is pretty cool, i was searching for it and seems it’s called a spark line, but i couldnt find anything in the developer docs or cocoapods
garfieldnate 8y ago
I'm glad to see that Apple Books got some love. I was so sad when I updated to a newer iOS and Apple Books no longer had a way to find uncategorized books. All my books just would just get crammed together into one huge bookshelf and I'd have no way knowing which were already placed on a proper bookshelf.

457 points by sahin-boydas 8y ago

I like that you can now swipe up the app to quit it instead of long press.

dang 8y ago

Please don't editorialize in titles here. That's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. (Submitted title was "iOS 12 released. - What do you think? - What is missing?")

alfredmuffin 8y ago
who cares
- joshstrange 8y ago
  The moderators of this website (dang being one of them) do and the site guidelines are very clear on this point.
  - alfredmuffin 8y ago
    who cares
    - sctb 8y ago
      At some level you have a point, but on the level of Hacker News as a discussion forum on the internet with a specific purpose and established conventions, as well as guidelines which document the primary ones, this point doesn't land. So could you please comment civilly and substantively? That's why we're here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - alfredmuffin 8y ago
        no one cares

jedberg 8y ago

I've been using the beta for a few months now. Overall I'm pretty impressed. It really does make my phone work better than before. But I'm most excited about Waze support on CarPlay, which does not appear to have dropped today.

joezydeco 8y ago
What's the typical sequence when a new iOS version hits and then all the apps that were developed in beta need to release fully?
- saagarjha 8y ago
  They're given a couple days to submit apps built with the golden master version of Xcode. Usually, this is on the day the new iPhones are announced.
  - pbarnes_1 8y ago
    And every year Apple introduces bugs in the GM build that weren't there in the last beta build. Always fun to be an iOS dev. :)
  - djrogers 8y ago
    We got the GMs last Monday, so we got a week to regression test against it vs the previous betas.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      Well, the Xcode GM dropped with the new hardware because it contains references to it. So you weren't allowed to submit with a beta toolchain before then.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  They've been allowed to post on the store for a couple of days, I think. I installed a bunch of updates yesterday and most of them were "Added Siri Shortcuts support."

36bydesign 8y ago

For iCloud Drive, we should be able to manage which files are saved locally and which aren’t. As is, documents can be manually downloaded but there’s no way to reverse it and have the given documents stored back only in the cloud (freeing up local storage). Then magically a week or more later stuff is uploaded and no longer stored locally. It feels fickle and frustrating.

nkkollaw 8y ago
It's been a lond time, but I read that you can add specific suffixes to folder names to control syncing. I think it was ".nosync" and ".tmp"
- Terretta 8y ago
  Cool tip, thank you. https://forum.keyboardmaestro.com/t/exclude-files-folders-from-sierra-icloud-sync/6685 https://forum.keyboardmaestro.com/t/exclude-files-folders-fr... Also "Bailiff": "Bailiff is a simple menubar app which lets you evict iCloud files and folders from local storage, or download them when you want. Saves your Mac’s startup disk from getting cluttered with files you don’t want or use." https://eclecticlight.co/downloads/ https://eclecticlight.co/downloads/
- h1d 8y ago
  Not sure what kind of dumb method this is. You can't possibly change a project's folder name just because of your need. At least if it was by creating an empty file with that name. Also iCloud Drive's synching has been an utter mess and I gave up after nothing syncs at random times.
  - nkkollaw 8y ago
    > Not sure what kind of dumb method this is That's not very nice. I'm just trying to help and that seems to be the only thing that seems to be working. I don't work at Apple, so...
toomuchtodo 8y ago
This is what I'm waiting for to move wholesale from Dropbox to iCloud Drive, some sort of file attribute that can be sent to say "only store in cloud, keep a local stub" or "ensure always locally cached/pinned locally". Would also love to see iCloud be a Time Machine backup target.

nkkollaw 8y ago

I don't know, I've watched the keynote, and it just looked to me like Allison was right in saying that the company without Steve Jobs would go down. Pretty considerably and pretty quickly, too, IMO.

saagarjha 8y ago
Which keynote are you talking about? I thought the release of iOS 12 at WWDC was relatively well received.
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  The one about the new iPhones, not WWDC.
rimliu 8y ago
So in 7 years since SJ died they went to be 1T company. It that fast enough and down enough yet?
- nkkollaw 8y ago
  If money is your only metric, sure. There are also borderline criminal corporations that do great in the stock market while enslaving children and destroying the environment. In the meantime, Apple managed to piss off most of their creative/developers user base, their software got so bad from a usability point of view that it's become a nightmare to use, their hardware barely gets upgraded and they need class actions to acknowledge that their idiotic inventions make computers unusable as computers (keyboard fiasco). As for their most successful product (the iPhone): the notch, removing the headphone jack and removing the home button, and other design choices might be a matter of preference, but look very misguided to me--to the point that if anyone gave me any of their newer phones I wouldn't hesitate to sell it and buy a decent one from another brand. What has Apple done in the last few years? A bigger iPad? A keyboard that stops working if dust gets under the keys? Removed a few ports people would use every day so that their products are a few millimeters thinner? The only reason why Apple makes money is because it's a status symbol to have Apple products and they sell overpriced, inferior hardware components, not because their products are worth the money anymore. I think people will wake up to that, sooner or later.

noncoml 8y ago

I was hoping to see some Siri improvements but unfortunately nothing major there. It does seem like they fixed the issue where Siri would give you snarky replies when it misunderstand you, but that’s about it.

microtherion 8y ago
Many Siri changes happen on the server, with no client changes necessary, so they would not necessarily be announced in an OS release announcement.
wlesieutre 8y ago
Apps can let you assign custom commands in Siri now. Some examples here: https://www.cultofmac.com/576807/these-apps-just-got-an-ios-12-and-siri-shortcuts-overhaul/ https://www.cultofmac.com/576807/these-apps-just-got-an-ios-... Requiring you to record your own phrases has a big tradeoff in that all your apps don't get automatic Siri support across all of their features, but it avoids the homophone hijacking and discoverability problems that other voice assistants have run into. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/08/researchers-show-alexa-skill-squatting-could-hijack-voice-commands/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/08/resea...

ivraatiems 8y ago

I'm still on iOS 10 on my iPhone SE. Why should I upgrade? Even if there was a convincing reason to, I'm afraid performance will tank, as it often does on older iPhones getting their last update.

adpirz 8y ago
"iOS 12 on the iPhone 5S, iPhone 6 Plus, and iPad Mini 2: It’s actually faster!" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/ios-12-on-the-iphone-5s-iphone-6-plus-and-ipad-mini-2-its-actually-faster/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/ios-12-on-the-iphone...
- ivraatiems 8y ago
  This is persuasive, but I wonder why they didn't test the SE. Maybe because the 5S is older but quite similar/appeals to the same market?
  - edbaskerville 8y ago
    The SE is basically a 6 in the 5S form factor.
    - xuki 8y ago
      6s
    - masklinn 8y ago
      It has the 6S's internal hardware, not the 6's. So it's way more powerful than the 6, let alone the 5S.
      - ahakki 8y ago
        There are actually two phones called iphone se. It was updated from iphone6 hardware to iphone6s hardware partway through it’s life cycle withou a change to the name. The updated SE is also availible in rose gold while the original was not.

kbos87 8y ago

“Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” It isn’t often that you see any company the size of Apple take that strong of a stance. Privacy is their best feature and it seems like they are doubling down.

kyrra 8y ago
Though I believe Apple bowed to China to give them access to Chinese citizen's iCloud data. But you can operate an iPhone without iCloud fairly easily, which is definitely nice. Doing more on-device helps them here. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-china-user-data-state-run-telecom-privacy-security https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587304/apple-icloud-chi...
- Rjevski 8y ago
  Can’t you just select US sad your country when setting up the iCloud account and use a VPN? Or are Chinese devices different at the hardware level and only allow connecting to the Chinese (compromised) iCloud?
  - btian 8y ago
    VPNs in China get blocked all the time.
    - torstenvl 8y ago
      Even private VPNs? I'm not that smart about networking but it seems like it would be difficult to distinguish an SSL/TLS connection to your DigitalOcean server because you're doing normal stuff and one where you're tunneling HTTPS through it.
      - selectodude 8y ago
        Their deep packet inspection tech is very very good.

gnicholas 8y ago

From the update description: Portrait mode improvements preserve fine detail between subject and background when using Stage Light and Stage Light Mono effects I thought that iOS 12 would improve this for Portrait mode generally. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and sure hope that these benefits are available on my iPhone (which doesn't have these specific effects — just vanilla Portrait mode). Has anyone see improvements in Portrait mode in the beta?

fuxufu 8y ago
As far as I know (and can see on my 7+) there are no visisble improvements. But 3rd party apps e.g. like Halide can use the new APIs for more accurate background blur.
oflannabhra 8y ago
Here is a decent breakdown (unfortunately as a Twitter thread): https://twitter.com/tobiasdm/status/1007229233104588801 https://twitter.com/tobiasdm/status/1007229233104588801 also (from the Halide.app dev): https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1027072222425317376 https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1027072222425317376
- gnicholas 8y ago
  Thanks for these! I'd seen the latter, and assumed that if the edge detection algo was refined, then it would be available everywhere that it's used. From the other commenter, it seems like maybe not. I wish I'd taken some "before" photos so that I could compare after updating.

makmanalp 8y ago

Oh finally, I'm so happy about the notifications / do not disturb functionality - super annoying to have chat and email notifications popping up all the time and having to fully disable / reenable them.

Tomte 8y ago

A friend of mine is still running her iPhone 6 on the original iOS version, so probably iOS 8. It would slow down with iOS 12, right? Those speed gains are compared to non-ancient versions?

joezydeco 8y ago
I'm on a 5S and the speed gain from iOS 11 to 12 is noticable. Not vast, but noticable.
- mikestew 8y ago
  Unfortunately, that does not answer the question: is iOS 12 slower than iOS 8? Sure, 12 is faster than 11, it's what Apple has been touting. But maybe 11 was a dog, and 8 was a speed demon. That said, I sure don't know the answer, or even much of an educated guess.
  - masklinn 8y ago
    11 was absolutely a dog. I don't think I remember the 8 as a speed demon though.
pfranz 8y ago
I have a 6s. iOS 11 was pretty annoying and my battery drained noticeably quicker--I was bummed with the upgrade but I think I wanted it for AirPods support. Also I remember the "instant camera" was a feature demoed when the phone was first released and iOS 11 took 5-10 seconds to bring up the camera. I've been using the 12 beta for months and it immediately fixed those things. I'm not sure if the camera is as snappy as the original iOS, but it's less than a second. I'm not sure how this all compares to the original iOS it shipped with, though.
- h1srf 8y ago
  I have a 6s that's still on 10. Reading this and other comments make me think that maybe 12 won't be too bad. There's a few apps out there that I use that don't work with 10 anymore and so this may be the time for me to upgrade.

joezydeco 8y ago

I'm really psyched to have the new Screen Time feature working across my family. It's got some quirks which I suppose will be smoothed out in time, but it's still lightyears better than previous third-party programs. The only thing I wish Apple had done was create a separate app to control the restrictions, or at least provide an API so someone else could do it. Digging all the way into Settings to change time and lockout settings is already a pain.

scarface74 8y ago
Yes it is a marketing move but it also makes things a lot easier for Apple. It can’t be forced to give up data to law enforcement that it doesn’t have and it lessens the amount of data that can be stolen in a security breach.
- joezydeco 8y ago
  sorry, what does Screen Time have to do with law enforcement/privacy?
  - komali2 8y ago
    Your OP might have meant to reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18008519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18008519
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Yeah I replied to the wrong post.
m3kw9 8y ago
Just add the screen time widget and access from there, like it’s own app.
- joezydeco 8y ago
  That's a good start, thanks.

babl-yc 8y ago

This the most stable iOS beta I've ever used. It's exciting to see Apple focus on quality, even if the marketing page doesn't end up as flashy.

jug 8y ago
Yes, it’s been completely different compared to both iOS 10 and 11 betas where the latter can barely be called stable even in the GM release. I hope it’s the fruits of some change in engineering.
speg 8y ago
Already noticing small but appreciated performance improvements. Share sheet and app switching both came up noticeably quicker. Am loving shortcuts, looks like they didn't dumb it down. There's even an SSH action.
- X-Istence 8y ago
  Which app is providing the SSH action?
  - speg 8y ago
    No idea, I didn't dig into it. I think it had the general "Settings" gear as the icon so maybe it's provided by iOS?
  - tmottabr 8y ago
    It is the app formally named "workflow" that apple acquired some time ago. It got renamed to "shortcut" for iOS 12 and has this ssh action in it. If you already had the old "workflow" app it will be updated to the new "shortcut" app, if you do not have it you need to install it from the App Store.
    - X-Istence 8y ago
      I am familiar with shortcuts, but I didn't think that there was an actual SSH action that was shipped with it, I thought there was an SSH action that an application may be providing. I'll have to check it out.

ex3ndr 8y ago

Does anyone know if Mojave is going to be as awesome as this iOS update?

Apocryphon 8y ago
I'm really curious if it will be "the new El Capitan", if not "the new Snow Leopard."
kristofferR 8y ago
It's definitely faster/smoother, and the dark mode is awesome. Other than that the differences aren't that big.

vermooten 8y ago

It's got zero (0) new features that interest me.

jwr 8y ago
Performance doesn’t interest you? I wish we stopped requiring "features" from every software release. I'd rather have less "features", but get software that works better.

Confiks 8y ago

Does anyone know if and what concrete changes have been made to Core NFC, beyond the speculation beforehand [1]? I understand there has been a beta of iOS 12 for a while now. The documentation still shows information for iOS 11 [2] [1] https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/25/apple-will-reportedly-open-up-nfc-in-ios-12/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/25/apple-will-reportedly-open-up... [2] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/corenfc https://developer.apple.com/documentation/corenfc

therockhead 8y ago
The WWDC app has a new short video called “What’s new in Core NFC” which mentiones the new features in the Iphones such as reading NFC in the background.
- ecesena 8y ago
  Any news on writes? I assume no... :/
  - mofe 8y ago
    unfortunately not, waiting hard :/
  - deleted 8y ago
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beerlord 8y ago

Its impressive that Apple is still supporting the iPhone 5S - a device released in 2013. By contrast Google's Nexus 5 flagship Android phone, also released in 2013, received its last major updated in 2015. 5 years of software updates (and probably more to come) vs 2 years - that's why I switched from Android to iPhone.

Apocryphon 8y ago
The iPhone 4s was the first device to support five major software versions. Here's hoping that the devices will be able to support more and more based on 1) hardware improvements in power and 2) software improvements on performance.
baddox 8y ago
That's why I always chuckle when people accuse Apple of planned obsolescence. I'm sure Apple would prefer that you update your iPhone every year, but relative to all other Android flagships I'm aware of, 5 years of OS updates is massive.
- LMYahooTFY 8y ago
  I'm not sure how what you say negates the possibility that planned obsolescence is part of Apple's business?
cromwellian 8y ago
That’s mostly a function of controlling your own CPU architecture, as android IHVs are heavily dependent on updates from Qualcomm and others. Also, while they have supported old devices, they do from time to time unceremoniously make old apps incompatible which then stop working. Microsoft still has them beat in terms of backwards app compatibility in Os upgrades and MS did it over a diverse ecosystem of hardware which is far more costly.

sergiotapia 8y ago

>FaceTime with up to 32 people at once. "Why would I _ever_ want to do that?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqXzYGN-gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqXzYGN-gs

abledon 8y ago
atleast time stamp it . god.

nrjames 8y ago

My guess is that the privacy/tracking on Safari is going to be turned on for all apps. iOS will soon keep track, at the OS level, of whether apps are allowed to access your Advertising ID. If you say no, then ad-based apps simply will not be able to access your advertising ID and/or SKAdNetwork will be used at the system level to anonymize you as a user. Not sure what they will do with other tracking (like analytics). https://developer.apple.com/documentation/storekit/skadnetwork https://developer.apple.com/documentation/storekit/skadnetwo...

wincy 8y ago

So from my testing with the beta, then having to roll back and losing 100GB of music, be aware that if you have an original Apple Watch, it’s not compatible with iOS12.

DenisM 8y ago
The just-release Watch OS 5 is compatible with Watch 1: https://www.apple.com/watchos/watchos-5/ https://www.apple.com/watchos/watchos-5/ so w 1 should be compatible with iOS 12
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  "Series 1" is not the original Apple Watch model. Confusingly, that's officially named "Apple Watch First Generation" and colloquially called "Series 0". When they released the Series 2 with better processor, GPS, brighter screen and better waterproofing, they simultaneously killed the "Series 0" and launched the Series 1 as the low price model. It got the new processor but not the other improvements. That leaves the Series 0 as the only one with the original crappy processor, and support for that has been dropped in watchOS 5.
  - DenisM 8y ago
    Indeed. I had no idea. Thank you. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204507#link5 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204507#link5

decebalus1 8y ago

> “Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right, which is why iOS has always been designed with built-in encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools that let you share what you want on your terms.” Does that also apply to PRISM? I mean can I share with the NSA only what I want on my own terms?

scotchio 8y ago

I blindly accept these new Terms and Conditions.

throwaway5250 8y ago
I, for one, welcome these new Terms and Conditions.

anselmio 8y ago

The new Shortcuts app by Apple (must be downloaded separately: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/workflow/id915249334?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/workflow/id915249334?mt=8) is definitely interesting. An example from the description: "Run custom scripts in Safari with the new Run JavaScript on Web Page action". Edit: Just discovered that there's also "Run Script Over SSH" that takes input passed to a shell script (stdin) and returns the output from the shell script (stdout).

wlesieutre 8y ago
Minor note for former Workflow users, it appears that the old Workflow app automatically updates to Apple's new Shortcuts app when you install the release version. I'd been on the public beta and was surprised to see Shortcuts preinstalled when I updated.
- OkGoDoIt 8y ago
  Anyone notice any major downsides, regressions, feature removals? The original app was powerful but quite complicated to use, I imagine Apple dumbed it down a bit for widespread adoption.
  - rcarmo 8y ago
    I lost most of my publishing shortcuts, which was expected, but lost the complication in the Apple Watch and its button launcher, which was critical for my commutes...
    - knolan 8y ago
      They added the ability to record a custom Siri command to trigger a workflow, perhaps that might help.
      - rcarmo 8y ago
        No, they also broke all forms of watch input. There is zero UI for shortcuts on the watch, so I can’t tap a complication and use a simple menu to fetch ETAs for public transit anymore.

spleen 8y ago

The update seems to have messed up the color profile on iPhone X. Colors are brighter, more saturated, more washed out and generally crappier.

invalidusernam3 8y ago
Isn't "brighter, more saturated" basically the opposite of "more washed out"?
- spleen 8y ago
  I’d focus on crappier. :)
- thestephen 8y ago
  I would guess that OP means that it is overly satured, and therefore that some color information is lost. I noticed this sometimes happening for a few seconds when switching out from some apps that play video while having high brightness. I haven't had it occur permanently, though.
kristjansson 8y ago
Just on the lock screen for me.
gnicholas 8y ago
I saw some weirdness on my iPhone 7 Plus also. The green icon for the Nextdoor app seems different/brighter. I thought it was just me, but perhaps it's not.
willstrafach 8y ago
My device is experiencing this strange problem as well. Glad to know it is not just me.
thirdsun 8y ago
And I thought I was just imagining things. Then again I always had the feeling that the color profile slightly adjusted after major iOS releases. It always felt slightly off for a short time.

xal 8y ago

After installing it, head to https://purecycles.com/products/urban-commuter-bike https://purecycles.com/products/urban-commuter-bike to see the best feature. Placing 3D models in your house via ARKit right from Safari. Writeup on this Shopify rollout: https://www.shopify.ca/blog/shopify-ar https://www.shopify.ca/blog/shopify-ar

gpickett00 8y ago
That's really cool. I'm looking forward to more sites implementing this. Imagine if every Amazon product had this.
- LyndsySimon 8y ago
  ... or every IKEA product!
  - thestephen 8y ago
    Although not _every_ product, such a thing exists! https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ikea-place/id1279244498?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ikea-place/id1279244498?mt=8
colinramsay 8y ago
I see the ability to overlay a transparent image over what I’m seeing through my camera. Am I missing something?
- wmblaettler 8y ago
  It does plane detection and can place a 3d object on that plane, scaled accordingly. You can move the phone around the plane (floor, tabletop, etc) and the object stays fixed as if it were physically in that place. The 3d object is also textured and takes into account ambient lighting to shade it. The result is actually rather impressive!

chrisper 8y ago

How is using a custom keyboard on iOS? I remember it being really bad... like it always resetting to the stock keyboard etc.

ender341341 8y ago
The only problem I have with it is you can't use them for password fields. It would be nice if my password manager could provide a keyboard.
- chrisper 8y ago
  Ah dang. That's something I would really miss from Android (Kepass Keyboard).
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  You'll be pleased to see this: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/password-autofill-ios-12-with-1password/ https://www.macrumors.com/guide/password-autofill-ios-12-wit...
  - aeontech 8y ago
    Oh, that is so cool!
- occamschainsaw 8y ago
  It works with Lastpass too!
- apazzolini 8y ago
  LastPass has a "share" action that will autofill - I think that should work regardless of keyboard.
stupidcar 8y ago
I use the swipable Google keyboard and it's generally OK. About 5% of the time an app will use the default Apple one, I think because they're using some kind of secure entry API.

zoltaan 8y ago

Damn! There comes the bullying of upgrading. :( I am sure they want the best for us when they shove it down our throat.

jen729w 8y ago
“Shoving it down your throat” would mean that you had no choice but to install it. You do have a choice. Just ignore the red dot. It’s not that hard. Although why you’d want to is beyond me. We’ve been saying this here since iOS was a thing. People didn’t want to go from 6 to 7, or 7 to 8, and now 11 to 12. And yet, here we all are.
- zoltaan 8y ago
  In case you really do not understand please google 'disable ios update notifications' (note the hit count), or alike. (you must have limited experience in iOS despite of your long time exposure)
  - sctb 8y ago
    Please don't be personally thorny towards other users. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - zoltaan 8y ago
      Do you want to suppress my perception? The tone of the answer was in tune of the reply, if one was thorny, the other too. You may choose to see that the other user was intentionally ignoring common knowledge to pick condescending tone, but you chose not to. You should not be arbitrarily partial. Thanks!
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  I didn't go from 10 to 11, and I think it was a justifiable decision.

Invictus0 8y ago

Still satisfied with iOS 10. The only thing that interests me in the updates anymore is the security and the tables in Notes (iOS 10 doesn't have that).

blattimwind 8y ago

Can you now finally toggle location data in the control center?

blattimwind 8y ago
Nope.

wiredfool 8y ago

I hope they've fixed the bug in Mail.app where it fixates on a particular message from a month ago, which then requires you to scroll like a hamster to get to the latest messages. And then then next time as well. This has been around for a while, so I'm not really holding my breath.

wlesieutre 8y ago
I'm personally hoping for correct message ordering in iMessage. It frequently puts replies to questions before the question had been asked, so reading back through conversations makes very little sense. That's been around for years as well, so again no holding my breath. At least it's faster!
- Jtsummers 8y ago
  Which iOS version do you have? I recall that same issue, but it was fixed in one of the .x updates, but I don't recall which major version number.
  - wlesieutre 8y ago
    Still happens on 11.4.1, I've got an obvious one last Saturday where I sent a photo and my friend's response to it is placed above as if it were sent before they even saw the photo. We're both in the same time zone with correctly set clocks. I appreciate Apple's stance on privacy, but I'm still talking to a lot of people on Messenger because the messages go in the right order there.
    - Jtsummers 8y ago
      Huh, weird. That disappeared from my devices and my friends' and families' devices, so I thought it had been resolved. TIL.
    - beagle3 8y ago
      iMessage appears to trust the time stamp from the originating device. If it’s off, message ordering will be wrong. There’s someone whose texts to me are always “1m from now” when they arrive.

multibit 8y ago

> Safari also prevents advertisers from collecting your device’s unique characteristics, so they can’t identify your device or retarget ads to you across the web. Probably easier to do anti-fingerprinting on such a homogenous group of devices.

rdl 8y ago

Less buggy than iOS 10 or iOS 11 releases on launch day, at least for me on a range of different devices.

TwoQ 8y ago

The only reason I have yet to move fully to Android is because right now, Android without Google is such a neutered experience that I don't see any reason to try. I only have an iPhone because of Apple's privacy stance. I hate every other element of the company.

kylemuir 8y ago

This was a bit jarring to me: Apple takes a big stance on privacy as a fundamental human right but feel free to spy on what your kids are up to?

epicide 8y ago
It can be taken too far, but generally, if you paid for their device and you're legally responsible for their well-being and things they do on the internet, then I don't see the issue. Combine this with the fact that the kid doesn't have to use the device for anything/everything. It's like wanting to know where the kid is driving if you paid for the car, the insurance, and you're legally and financially responsible if they hit someone/something. Again, I do believe this can be taken too far (and I don't know exactly where the line is). Paying for a phone doesn't give you right to spy on absolutely everything. I haven't seen anything that is beyond just app usage time, though.

gdubs 8y ago

I’ve been on the beta all summer and the “screen time” feature has been a nice weekly update. Def have made an effort to cut down the time due to seeing the stats every Sunday. (Though, happily they weren’t as bad as I’d imagined they might be.)

jiveturkey 8y ago

anyone know if css backdrop-filter memory exhaustion bug is fixed? if not, i'll wait for the point release.

yborg 8y ago
It's not, but it exists in 11 as well.
procinct 8y ago
Is there any particular reason why you want to wait until this bug is fixed? It seems unlikely you would ever run into it in real life outside of the demo.
- jiveturkey 8y ago
  just because of churn. there’s sure to be an update very soon. not because i expect to actually run across the attack.

ex3ndr 8y ago

This is just awesome, installed iOS 12 on iPod Touch 6 and my react-native app has stable 58-60fps during scrolling of the large list of messages! Impressive!

retromario 8y ago

"On devices without 3D Touch, touch and hold the keyboard Space bar to turn your keyboard into a trackpad" This is subtle but huge. One of the main reasons to get a phone with 3D touch is/was the ability to easily move your cursor when typing. This makes the XR model (which lacks 3D touch) a lot more enticing.

anreekoh 8y ago
Finally. Man I’ve had this feature on my jailbroken devices for over 4 years. And every update I would hope they would add this. Clicking around with the cursor was always so stupid because almost all quick cursor changes would be ~10 characters back, aka not a huge amount of movement. Some keyboards have this feature like Nintype (which is over engineered imo), but I’ve always wanted this natively. Glad to see it coming.
bschwindHN 8y ago
I GBoard had a proper version of this, theirs only allows horizontal scrolling

ihuman 8y ago

MacStories has published their yearly review of the new iOS. The 42250-word long breakdown of iOS 12 goes into detail on every new feature. https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-review/ https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-rev...

kristofferR 8y ago
Everyone here who is a developer or interested in automation should read page 7-9. https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-review/7/#content https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-12-the-macstories-rev...

sizzle 8y ago

Will iPhone ever get bootcamp functionality to run Android, similar to how macOS can run windows? From a legal perspective, could they allow the ability to boot Android without fear of lawsuit, given they allow you to boot Windows via bootcamp? Putting technical feasibility aside, I would be iPhone for life if that was even possible.

jasonrhaas 8y ago

Its nice to see an update that is focused on better performance, better privacy, and better control over those annoying notifications.

hardmath123 8y ago

> Contactless student ID cards. With contactless student ID cards in Wallet, you can use your iPhone all over campus to access places like your dorm, the library, and events; or pay for laundry, snacks, and dinners. This sounds amazing.

epynonymous 8y ago

anyone know what library the stock app uses for its charts? the redesigned stock app is pretty cool, i was searching for it and seems it’s called a spark line, but i couldnt find anything in the developer docs or cocoapods

garfieldnate 8y ago

I'm glad to see that Apple Books got some love. I was so sad when I updated to a newer iOS and Apple Books no longer had a way to find uncategorized books. All my books just would just get crammed together into one huge bookshelf and I'd have no way knowing which were already placed on a proper bookshelf.