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To me, this is a strong sign of Google manipulating search results. https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=american

To me, this is a strong sign of Google manipulating search results. https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=american+mathematicians https://www.google.com/search?q=american+mathematicians https://www.google.com/search?q=american+scientists https://www.google.com/search?q=american+scientists Image results: https://www.google.com/search?q=european+art+history&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=european+art+history&tbm=isc... https://www.google.com/search?q=white+couple&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=white+couple&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=white+inventor&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=white+inventor&tbm=isch

erulabs 8y ago
Or it's extremely basic text matching and "African American Inventors" more closely matches "American Inventors" (as it is an exact substring match) than web pages about "Inventors from the United States", which is probably a more common phrasing (see: https://www.google.com/search?q=Inventors+from+the+United+States https://www.google.com/search?q=Inventors+from+the+United+St...) One of the biggest problems with Google as I see it, and facebook for that matter, is for the end user there isn't much of a way to introspect _why_ a search result comes from a particular query. In this case, you used that lack of information to confirm your own assumptions and bias.
- creaghpatr 8y ago
  I think OPs point is somewhat corroborated by the choices of Google Doodle, both in who they select and who they omit.
  - quotemstr 8y ago
    In a sense, it doesn't matter whether the curious "american inventors" search results set comes out of political bias or technical inadequacy: from the perspective of many people, Google's editorial choices in certain areas have forfeited the benefit of the doubt in others. This situation is a good example of why it's important to pay attention to maintaining the appearance of impartiality as well as actually being impartial. (Disclaimer: I work for Google. Nothing related to search.)
    - creaghpatr 8y ago
      Yup, that's a better summary of what I'm saying
- jiojfdsal3 8y ago
  I'd assume the greatest search engineers in the world would know how to distinguish people searching between the two phrases.
  - api 8y ago
    Any search algorithm will introduce some kind of bias. People will notice this bias and assume a conspiracy because humans like to read purpose and intent into everything. If all the results were white males, people would be accusing Google of sexism and racism. If the results skewed toward Asians people would think Google was in league with the Chinese government or something. This is one of the social dangers of allowing algorithms to make important decisions in society. We might not even be aware of what biases we're introducing. They can be very non-obvious, especially if the algorithm is complex or the data set is large. Edit: here's another possible explanation: perhaps due to efforts to popularize African American contributions to American history there are more web pages (in a pure numeric sense) about African American inventors, scientists, etc. on the web. This could affect the way Google weights search results.
    - tntn 8y ago
      > This is actually one of the dangers of AI: it might introduce all kinds of weird biases that we're not even aware of until the effect has already been felt. This isn't a danger of AI in the future, it's a danger of google's algorithms in the present. Most users (myself included) have come to treat Google results as some oracle of truth, so the bias introduced by Google's existing search algorithms can have tremendous impact. Most of the time it will go unnoticed, and it doesn't require any intentional manipulation. What people know, and how they act based on what they know, is being heavily influenced already by google's algorithms.
- jiojfdsal3 8y ago
  I added more search terms. Here are the results for "white inventor" on Google Images for example. https://www.google.com/search?q=white+inventor&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=white+inventor&tbm=isch
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    How many photos of white inventors have the word "white" near them, though? Image search isn't exactly parsing biographies. So it gets largely lost in noise compared to "inventor". It's pretty common for certain words in certain image searches to be useless, and that's including a lot of very boring searches nobody has ever thought of.
  - tdb7893 8y ago
    It's pretty easily explained by the fact that people really only use the term "white inventors" when talking about black inventors (honestly "white inventors" would probably have racist connotations in most other contexts).
- jamie_ca 8y ago
  Yeah, try "US inventors" and the list of faces at the top you need to get to #9 before they're not white males.
notafraudster 8y ago
Literally the first result in that search is a far-right, white nationalist blogger alleging Google is manipulating results for that search. This would seem to both belie the claim that it is manipulating the results -- by virtue of the fact that wouldn't the first thing they manipulate away be this very criticism -- and seriously taint the chain of events that led you to claim that they are.
seren 8y ago
Could be a bug. If you look at wikipedia for a category american inventors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventors There is a sub category called "African American inventors". Since the sub category also match the search terms, it is possible that for some reason they are displayed in priority. edit : the post of econ4all about "us+inventor" tend to confirm that it is an issue with "american" being part of "african american"
- tdb7893 8y ago
  Also there's the fact that lists of famous African Americans are probably more common than general lists of famous Americans (and many will appear on both lists). The bias here seems pretty obviously to align with a general bias to what people put on the Internet. The funny thing about the position they are in is that there is no way to make everyone happy seeing as there doesn't seem an objective way to judge bias so it's inherently subjective.
econ4all 8y ago
Counter: https://www.google.com/search?q=us+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=us+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=us+mathematicians https://www.google.com/search?q=us+mathematicians https://www.google.com/search?q=us+scientists https://www.google.com/search?q=us+scientists
gowld 8y ago
What does "manipulating" mean? Are search results a naturally occuring substance that springs into your brower unless humans interfere?
Yoric 8y ago
Well, it looks like it's taken straight from Wikipedia...
mudil 8y ago
Haha! This is hilarious!
rfinney 8y ago
Duckduckgo has similar results ... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+inventors+&t=hj&ia=images&iax=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+inventors+&t=hj&ia=images... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=european+art+history&t=hj&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=european+art+history&t=hj&iar=imag... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+inventor&t=hj&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+inventor&t=hj&iar=images&iax... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+couple&t=hj&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+couple&t=hj&iar=images&iax=i...
wyldfire 8y ago
It's possible that the bias is from the corpus Google is indexing and not in the algorithm used to index the corpus.

erulabs 8y ago

Or it's extremely basic text matching and "African American Inventors" more closely matches "American Inventors" (as it is an exact substring match) than web pages about "Inventors from the United States", which is probably a more common phrasing (see: https://www.google.com/search?q=Inventors+from+the+United+States https://www.google.com/search?q=Inventors+from+the+United+St...) One of the biggest problems with Google as I see it, and facebook for that matter, is for the end user there isn't much of a way to introspect _why_ a search result comes from a particular query. In this case, you used that lack of information to confirm your own assumptions and bias.

creaghpatr 8y ago
I think OPs point is somewhat corroborated by the choices of Google Doodle, both in who they select and who they omit.
- quotemstr 8y ago
  In a sense, it doesn't matter whether the curious "american inventors" search results set comes out of political bias or technical inadequacy: from the perspective of many people, Google's editorial choices in certain areas have forfeited the benefit of the doubt in others. This situation is a good example of why it's important to pay attention to maintaining the appearance of impartiality as well as actually being impartial. (Disclaimer: I work for Google. Nothing related to search.)
  - creaghpatr 8y ago
    Yup, that's a better summary of what I'm saying
jiojfdsal3 8y ago
I'd assume the greatest search engineers in the world would know how to distinguish people searching between the two phrases.
- api 8y ago
  Any search algorithm will introduce some kind of bias. People will notice this bias and assume a conspiracy because humans like to read purpose and intent into everything. If all the results were white males, people would be accusing Google of sexism and racism. If the results skewed toward Asians people would think Google was in league with the Chinese government or something. This is one of the social dangers of allowing algorithms to make important decisions in society. We might not even be aware of what biases we're introducing. They can be very non-obvious, especially if the algorithm is complex or the data set is large. Edit: here's another possible explanation: perhaps due to efforts to popularize African American contributions to American history there are more web pages (in a pure numeric sense) about African American inventors, scientists, etc. on the web. This could affect the way Google weights search results.
  - tntn 8y ago
    > This is actually one of the dangers of AI: it might introduce all kinds of weird biases that we're not even aware of until the effect has already been felt. This isn't a danger of AI in the future, it's a danger of google's algorithms in the present. Most users (myself included) have come to treat Google results as some oracle of truth, so the bias introduced by Google's existing search algorithms can have tremendous impact. Most of the time it will go unnoticed, and it doesn't require any intentional manipulation. What people know, and how they act based on what they know, is being heavily influenced already by google's algorithms.
jiojfdsal3 8y ago
I added more search terms. Here are the results for "white inventor" on Google Images for example. https://www.google.com/search?q=white+inventor&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=white+inventor&tbm=isch
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  How many photos of white inventors have the word "white" near them, though? Image search isn't exactly parsing biographies. So it gets largely lost in noise compared to "inventor". It's pretty common for certain words in certain image searches to be useless, and that's including a lot of very boring searches nobody has ever thought of.
- tdb7893 8y ago
  It's pretty easily explained by the fact that people really only use the term "white inventors" when talking about black inventors (honestly "white inventors" would probably have racist connotations in most other contexts).
jamie_ca 8y ago
Yeah, try "US inventors" and the list of faces at the top you need to get to #9 before they're not white males.

notafraudster 8y ago

Literally the first result in that search is a far-right, white nationalist blogger alleging Google is manipulating results for that search. This would seem to both belie the claim that it is manipulating the results -- by virtue of the fact that wouldn't the first thing they manipulate away be this very criticism -- and seriously taint the chain of events that led you to claim that they are.

seren 8y ago

Could be a bug. If you look at wikipedia for a category american inventors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_inventors There is a sub category called "African American inventors". Since the sub category also match the search terms, it is possible that for some reason they are displayed in priority. edit : the post of econ4all about "us+inventor" tend to confirm that it is an issue with "american" being part of "african american"

tdb7893 8y ago
Also there's the fact that lists of famous African Americans are probably more common than general lists of famous Americans (and many will appear on both lists). The bias here seems pretty obviously to align with a general bias to what people put on the Internet. The funny thing about the position they are in is that there is no way to make everyone happy seeing as there doesn't seem an objective way to judge bias so it's inherently subjective.

econ4all 8y ago

Counter: https://www.google.com/search?q=us+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=us+inventors https://www.google.com/search?q=us+mathematicians https://www.google.com/search?q=us+mathematicians https://www.google.com/search?q=us+scientists https://www.google.com/search?q=us+scientists

gowld 8y ago

What does "manipulating" mean? Are search results a naturally occuring substance that springs into your brower unless humans interfere?

Yoric 8y ago

Well, it looks like it's taken straight from Wikipedia...

mudil 8y ago

Haha! This is hilarious!

rfinney 8y ago

Duckduckgo has similar results ... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+inventors+&t=hj&ia=images&iax=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=american+inventors+&t=hj&ia=images... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=european+art+history&t=hj&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=european+art+history&t=hj&iar=imag... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+inventor&t=hj&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+inventor&t=hj&iar=images&iax... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+couple&t=hj&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=white+couple&t=hj&iar=images&iax=i...

wyldfire 8y ago

It's possible that the bias is from the corpus Google is indexing and not in the algorithm used to index the corpus.