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>Another issue is whether the customer should install the fix at all Microsoft will surely decide for me on my Windows 10 gaming PC. Better save my work (which
by theprotocol 8y ago
>Another issue is whether the customer should install the fix at all
Microsoft will surely decide for me on my Windows 10 gaming PC. Better save my work (which I sometimes do even on a gaming machine) frequently lest the masters deem it fit to restart while I'm away having lunch if they decide I can live with the performance hit.
- hanselot 8y agoIt sounds a lot like you are blaming someone else for not having control of your computer.
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- chrisper 8y agoJust mark every 2nd Tuesday of a month as patch day and you won't have surprises!
- theprotocol 8y ago• Updates are not served to me at regular, known intervals. Perhaps it's due to a progressive rollout policy of some kind. • Certain days come up that I, the paying user, do not want to patch on. Microsoft wins this disagreement and I lose. This occurs in a glib fashion with a message like "Hey, just a heads up, we are going to restart your computer" (whether I like it or not). It is my computer, there is no "we!" It will absolutely close programs with unsaved work if I am not there. • Maybe I don't want the performance hit on my gaming PC. This is another element of surprise: who knows how bad it'll be? Certainly not the users if Intel and Microsoft have their way. • Yet another element of surprise: I've had hardware stop working after updates. I cannot wait until it becomes viable to escape the toxicity of companies such as Intel and Microsoft.
- harry8 8y agoYou are best placed to make that assessment on your own needs. Know that many of us have done it and it turned out to be easier than we thought it would be. Good luck with the analysis!
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago> I cannot wait until it becomes viable to escape the toxicity of companies such as Intel and Microsoft. This has been "viable" for a long time now. Ignore the FUD and just try it for yourself. You might be pleasantly surprised.
- chrisper 8y agoEspecially now with Valve's Proton.
- theprotocol 8y agoI've been watching this very closely. I think this project will finally tip the scales and make it viable for me (I've had problems with many games when I attempted to switch in the past).
- LeftTurnSignal 8y agoYou probably saw this, but this is a google doc of what games people have tried in proton. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DcZZQ4HL_Ol969UbXJmFG8TzOHNnHoj8Q1f8DIFe8-8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=2086525177 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DcZZQ4HL_Ol969UbXJmF... i'm pumped to try monster hunter. that game was the only reason I was going to use windows, so hope it runs well
- jstanley 8y agoIt has actually been perfectly viable to escape Intel and (especially) Microsoft for a very long time. Lots of people on HN have done so. Buy an AMD machine, install Ubuntu, and you're done.
- ReverseCold 8y agoMicrosoft's stance on the issue: Win10 is free* (so it does this) - Professionals who need to override these settings should get Win10 Pro.
- dspillett 8y ago> and you won't have surprises They seem to be getting less aggressive, but I've had my machine reboot with less than half an hour of notice. No notice before leaving the machine, return 30 minute later to find it rebooted. So "just mark every 2nd Tuesday of a month as patch day and never leave your machine(s) unattended on that day and you won't have surprises!". I've also had (in a recent month) them reboot overnight, aborting long running processes that I had to clean up and restart, after explicitly checking for updates before starting those processes (none being found), and making sure my "active hours" were set such that it shouldn't restart. Earlier this year I had a patch mid-cycle (not close to the normal patch Tuesday) that caused a reboot too. IIRC it was a flash-for-edge/ie update. An update for a feature I don't use/want and can't remove caused a "random" reboot at an unpredictable time. Ta muchly... I understand MS wanting to get away from their desktop OS's insecure reputation which is in part caused by people never installing updates meaning that worms and other malware were able to run rampant relatively unchecked, but they seem rather wrong headed about how pushy to be in fixing that.
- jenscow 8y agoThere had been many times I've started in the morning, expecting to work on the results of whatever process I left to run, only to be greeted with an empty desktop. When I review the update settings, they're as negative as I can make them. I shouldn't complain too much, sometimes it kindly starts Visual Studio for me, saving me 20 seconds. It could have asked, or even warned that I'd be wasting my time setting up the nightly job, only for it to be cancelled midway through for little reason. Basically, it's just a consumer OS, and shouldn't be used for actual work.
- JoeAltmaier 8y agoMy favorite story about that: I worked in furnace optimization, giant electric arc furnaces that use half the electrical capacity of a small town generation plant. These things use 'pencil leads' the width of a child, meters long, that strike an electric spark an inch or two in diameter and 12 inches long, from the probe to the pile of recycled steel in the crucible. Melt it for new steel. Anyway we had a PC running an optimization on the arc length, probe distance etc to get the best instantaneous coupling, trying to save electricity by putting the energy into the steel (to melt it) instead of burning up the probe, creating heat etc. One morning the plant called, had run overnight but sometime in the late night the thing stopped adjusting, ran 20 minutes before they noticed without moving the probe or adjusting the current. Just sat there burning up carbon and making heat. You can see where this was going. Investigated, and the PC had gone into 'power save' mode, suspended the app, gone dark. Leaving the probe at whatever setting it was at. I estimated at the time, that the power wasted during those 20 minutes was more than all the electricity ever saved worldwide by Windows 'power save' feature. Yes, it would have been better had Microsoft Never Invented Power Save, than to have had that incident. You can say it was our fault, guy installing didn't remember to disable power save. But still, people do things like that. I prefer to blame the computer.
- dhimes 8y agoThis doesn't work. They can hit on other days too- with no warning. Maybe best to disconnect from the internet when not using- putting to sleep doesn't do it.