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This AI is bad at drawing but will try anyways
- matthberg 8y agoIt would be great to have an art gallery, digital or physical, devoted to ai produced media. They could run exhibits highlighting different strategies, or have awards for creative or accurate results.
- EGreg 8y agoUnlike real art, computers can produce a trillion unique works an hour. This will apply to all forms of art in the future, including stories, music and movies. So where is the scarcity?
- nafey 8y agoWide as an ocean deep as a puddle. It will have the same problems as the procedurally generated worlds in No man's sky.
- taneq 8y ago> So where is the scarcity? Up one meta-level. The artwork isn't the sonata, or the portrait, or the sculpture. The artwork is the algorithm and input data.
- mattnewport 8y agoThere's already no scarcity of stories, music, photography, paintings or sketches. Even with the higher cost of production for movies there's still more than most people could reasonably watch in a lifetime. Aren't we already past that point without AI?
- drusepth 8y agoFurthermore, I'd argue that it's _better_ to be without scarcity in art, because a larger pool of differences in available art makes it far more likely for any random individual to find a piece that resonates specifically with themselves. It's the same logic with e.g. books: if there are 100 great books, people are going to love those books and some subset of people are going to find a book and say, "wow, this book was really meant for me". If there are 1,000,000 great books, then 1) there's going to be a wider selection for people who enjoy more niche aspects in books who wouldn't otherwise find those, and 2) there's a much higher chance of one of those million books really resonating with any random individual. The real struggle is in curation and recommendation: which of these million books would John Smith _most_ like (ideally more than, say, the original 100 books), instead of requiring him to peruse through them all on his own.
- Freeboots 8y agoWhy do we need scarcity?
- hrnnnnnn 8y agoScarcity matters if you regard art as a commodity to be bought and sold. Otherwise I don't see why it's important.
- bklaasen 8y agoI recommend John Berger's "Ways of Seeing", available on YouTube. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ways_of_Seeing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ways_of_Seeing
- 7Z7 8y agoThe scarcity is in the "quality" - its ability to move us in new and interesting ways, just like now. A trillion similar things are not very interesting, so quality stands out.
- notahacker 8y agoIn an era where artworks are already abundant, curation creates scarcity. Not all works are considered equal.
- Broken_Hippo 8y agoThere is hardly scarcity in art now, though. Not as a whole. If you like a particular style, you can usually find it at an affordable price so long as you aren't going by "famous" or "brand name". I'll also add that scarcity will be simply built-in. Most folks won't initiate such art - and such art has to be initiated. There will still be a personal selection process going on with a human behind the scenes. Just because the computer can make so many doesn't mean we'll see that many at all. I imagine it will eventually edge out some art forms: Making advertising graphics for movies and print, for example. Making logos. And so on.
- yason 8y agoWhat art would that be? Part of art is not just the physical piece but the message it delivers, or a message that can be interpreted in many ways. Computer generated images can learn to do the aesthetic part but if the piece has no human context from which it comes nor has anything to say, how would that be art? Why did the computer create the image, and what is it trying to tell us with it?
- adventured 8y agoArt doesn't have to have something to say, it does not require a message, there does not have to be a thought-out why to its creation. It's strictly subjective, without exception. I can give whatever meaning to computer / AI generated art that I please. To intentionally use an exaggerated example: I can urinate on a wall, tell nobody else about it, give it no further meaning or consideration, have done it for no particular reason other than my need to urinate, and call it art (regardless of whether the setup premise is offensive to some). I can look at this image from the site: https://78.media.tumblr.com/015901ac8ded0c711dcec8f8de7ec223/tumblr_inline_pdjd8hvd4J1rl9zu7_500.png https://78.media.tumblr.com/015901ac8ded0c711dcec8f8de7ec223... And I can decide that is art which represents my emancipation from indentured servitude in another life when I was a coal miner for BigCorp on Mars. Or any other seemingly ridiculous meaning I choose to give it.
- bojo 8y agoSorry, but as someone with an art degree I have to respectfully disagree. Pissing on a wall and arbitrarily calling it art does not make it art. That style of thinking worked during the Dada movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada but is no longer something that would work today, unless you were doing a live art installation, in which case you are committing to some kind of commentary on some factor of the world anyways. Artists almost always create art with meaning, and in the rare cases they don’t they are still attempting to make genuinely thought provoking works of art, even if it’s simply showing off their skills. If you go to an art gallery there is always the artist’s thesis statement or message written out at the entrance. You are correct that art is subjective though. What an artist envisions and what their audience gets out of it has been shown time and again to not line up in many cases. And in a way, that is the beauty of art - our shared experiences while appreciating it.
- walesmd 8y agoGoogle has had AI art museums at the past 2-3 I/Os.
- sandov 8y agoThey'd make good album covers.
- vividmind 8y agoThat was exactly my first thought!
- jaytaylor 8y agoI liked it up until the "subscribe for more" plug at the end. I .. ended up with way more than would fit in this one blog post .. Enter your email and I’ll send you them (and if you want, you can get bonus material each time I post). Why so stingy about it, author? Force me to subscribe for more funny AI pics? Rather than simply posting the content in a followup article. Right. Then you wouldn't be able to collect all those e-mail addresses and subscribers. Probably doesn't qualify as a full-on dark pattern, but I am annoyed enough to say that I dislike this approach. Is this Web 2.0, 3.0, or higher? I'd like to go back to the 1.0.. anyone got a D/L link so I can reinstall the good version?
- yeukhon 8y agoSome people are shady af. Author should come here and explain.
- chucksmash 8y agoThis isn't a dark pattern, it isn't shady af, and the author should not be called to the rug to answer for it. It's just someone trying to build an email distribution list for their (side?) gig. Feel free to enjoy the content without opting in.
- yeukhon 8y agoOh please. It’s a clickbait at best from my angry engineer tone. It’s shady because the person lure people in to read it and then at the end just day “btw, if you want to see them? Send me your email!” How is that not shady marketing? This is bad press. Bad article. This is killing reader morale. We should not encourage people like this to build their gigs. I felt I wasted my time reading this in the first place.
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- chisleu 8y agoI typed in "modern art" and it looks about right.
- notfed 8y agoGenerate them yourselves: http://t2i.cvalenzuelab.com/ http://t2i.cvalenzuelab.com/
- eigenloss 8y agoIt looks like this webpage has been overwhelmed at this point.
- hhjinks 8y agoAbsolutely nothing happens when I type something in. Perhaps their GPU allowance ran out.
- ealhad 8y agoThe server is not properly configured. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS
- betterworldb 8y agoThe hug of death
- comboy 8y agoThese are amazing. I'd love some blind test, some of these presented as an art (with description as a title), compared to some abstract art made by humans. I could definitely hang many of those on my walls if they would be in high enough resolution. Do try some abstract phrases too.
- atoko 8y agoIt's fun to throw "A house of dust"[0] generated poems at it. [0]https://nickm.com/memslam/a_house_of_dust.html https://nickm.com/memslam/a_house_of_dust.html
- JangoSteve 8y agoI'm really curious what data it was trained on with snakes. Anything I write with "snakes" or "snake" in it produces something I could see in an impressionist art museum (but in no way resembles snakes). They also all tend to be monochromatic. "snakes on a plane" "snakes with a plan" "yellow snakes"
- EB66 8y agoFear and Loathing in AI.
- drawkbox 8y agoWe were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like “I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive. …” And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about 100 miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming: “Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?” Then it was quiet again. My attorney had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest, to facilitate the tanning process. “What the hell are you yelling about?” he muttered, staring up at the sun with his eyes closed and covered with wraparound Spanish sunglasses. “Never mind,” I said. “It’s your turn to drive.” I hit the brakes and aimed the Great Red Shark toward the shoulder of the highway. No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough.
- johnsonap 8y agoI'd make prints of some of these for my wall
- derekp7 8y agoIs this the graphical version of Markov chains?
- ChrisGranger 8y agoI tried using the same phrase several different times and got different results, so it appears the system is not deterministic.
- minimaxir 8y agoThat’s how GANs work: trying to make sense of random noise (with maybe a hint)
- pingiun 8y agoYou can deterministicly make sense of random noise
- arketyp 8y agoThe point is that the GAN is trained to model the "probability distribution" of the descriptions it's trained on precisely so that the concepts are generalized and can be synthesized/extrapolated. Once trained, you may fix the random seed so that the same description would generate the same image.
- dluan 8y agoits not as fun when when you can kind of backwardsly induce how limited the training data set is, e.g. when I tried > a dog on a bun on dog on a bun on a dog on a bun on a dog on a bun on or maybe I've completely misunderstood it and in a way it's passed my art turing test?
- jyriand 8y agoEvery time I look at AI produced pictures, I feel discomfort and uneasy. These pictures are like a scene from a perfect nightmare.
- Dinux 8y agoWell there is sort of a truth in that because dreams create a world thats half-reality-half-abstract. precisely on the boundary of the known and the unknown. These images reflect the same thing in essence.
- FabHK 8y agoWell, and both the AI and our brain employ some hugely efficient compression, trained on lots of real world data; and both these AI pictures and our dreams are sort of generated by "firing up" the compression machine from the other end with semi-random inputs. So, yes, it's not wonder that they're alike in some ways, and disturbing, too.
- joering2 8y agoKnowing this and that AI is so good at creating nightmarish pictures, would it be possible to attempt a reverse? Ask/learn AI to create the most frightening, most nightmarish rendering it can ever produce? Is such picture even exist? That I would seen it once and wouldn't sleep for a week? Or upon seeing it, start crying without explanation? Seeing something like this created by AI would be very impressive: "prepare to cry when you see this picture (guaranteed!)"
- mockingbirdy 8y agoHave "fun" - http://nightmare.mit.edu/ http://nightmare.mit.edu/
- junke 8y agoI typed "Eldritch abomination and cat" and I was not disappointed.
- amychan 8y agoI can't imagine AI draw shape which is recognizable.
- fake-name 8y agoWhy the fuck does this link to the amp version of the site? Change http://aiweirdness.com/post/177091486527/this-ai-is-bad-at-drawing-but-will-try-anyways/amp http://aiweirdness.com/post/177091486527/this-ai-is-bad-at-d... to http://aiweirdness.com/post/177091486527/this-ai-is-bad-at-drawing-but-will-try-anyways http://aiweirdness.com/post/177091486527/this-ai-is-bad-at-d... and it actually loads and looks proper.
- beobab 8y agoI see your outrage, and I'll raise you a "thanks for your service: good job finding the link".
- corysama 8y agoWhen I posted my experience on mobile was the opposite. AMP page loaded fine. Non-AMP, no images or text at all with multiple refreshes. Don't know why. Non-AMP looks fine now.
- larkeith 8y agoAMP is nonfunctional with Javascript disabled, non-AMP works fine for me. Perhaps regular page got slightly hugged?
- cm2012 8y agoHah, this makes a lot more sense. Viewing this last night half of each image was missing.
- montenegrohugo 8y agoThis was not a good idea to read at work. I tried to control the giggle but still coworkers noticed and I had to show them. It's hard not to anthropomorphize the neural net and have a little bit of pity/laughter at its struggle to paint even remotely accurate pictures
- analyzethis 8y agoReminds me of what my kids are drawing.
- Peaker 8y agoAnd this is why they need human brains in The Matrix
- alwayseasy 8y agoInterestingly, Christie's will sell an AI generated painting in the coming weeks. They come from a French startup who seems to create "better" (at least more pleasing) results https://www.christies.com/features/A-collaboration-between-two-artists-one-human-one-a-machine-9332-1.aspx https://www.christies.com/features/A-collaboration-between-t...
- singularity2001 8y agomore pleasing in the sense of even more nightmarish?
- pavlov 8y agoThere's an obvious blotchy feature grid in all of the images generated by the French team. They don't look like paintings in technique at all, but only what they are: automatic collages of randomly blended pieces of photographs from old art. The CAN images in that same Christie's article are much better, quite beautiful. But the author of CAN is full of shit in this interview answer: > ‘An interesting question is: why is so much of the CAN’s art abstract? I think it is because the algorithm has grasped that art progresses in a certain trajectory. If it wants to make something novel, then it cannot go back and produce figurative works as existed before the 20th century. It has to move forward. The network has learned that it finds more solutions when it tends toward abstraction: that is where there is the space for novelty.’ The algorithm has grasped that art must move forward, so it paints abstract?! Or could it be that feeding random numbers into a black box neural network algorithm is never going to give you a human likeness... No, it must be that the AI just doesn't want to be Rembrandt. With bullshit meters at this level, the next AI winter must be just around the corner.
- jwilk 8y agoLink to AttnGAN without the tracking junk: https://github.com/taoxugit/AttnGAN https://github.com/taoxugit/AttnGAN
- adultSwim 8y ago"try"
- blt 8y ago(two comments in this thread:) > What always fascinated me is how those images look almost exactly like the hallucinations you get on some psychedelics... The AI must be pretty close if they can already match the output of a confused human brain. > Traditionally, with computer generated stuff, you could clearly see the math in the algorithms (the sine waves and fractals and whatnot). With AI generated stuff it looks... natural... It's a computer no longer letting you see how he thinks. The paper "Deep Image Prior" by Dmitry Ulyanov et al. gives compelling evidence that the structure of convolutional neural networks already encodes strong knowledge about the appearance of natural images, independent of any specific parameters (learned weights). Independence from parameters means it's independent from what task the network was trained to accomplish, and of the training algorithm. This helps explain (IMO) why a neural network with "wrong" weights (meaning, the training process did not fully meet the goal of the project) still produces images that like plausible activations of the human visual cortex, rather than harsh mathematical patterns. The convolutional network structure is biased towards natural-looking images. paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.10925 https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.10925 third-party blog post: http://mlexplained.com/2018/01/18/paper-dissected-deep-image-prior-explained/ http://mlexplained.com/2018/01/18/paper-dissected-deep-image...
- bobmarley1 8y agoThe connections between Neural Networks and the human brain are superficial at best and it's unwise to abuse the analogy beyond it's limit. The author's make no such claims and I don't think you have the standing to either.
- blt 8y agoyeah I did not intend to claim anything strong about that. edited my comment accordingly.
- freeflight 8y agoKind of sad it only recognizes English. Which makes me wonder how useful it would be to use different languages for teaching ML about the world? Maybe an understanding across different languages might help it differentiate between objects with more accuracy? Tho, I'm probably making this sound far more simple than it actually would be.
- bobmarley1 8y agoAll the Major AI conferences are published in English, are you concerned about that as well? English has long been established as the lingua franca of Science, it's not discrimination it's just reality.
- freeflight 8y agoI didn't say anything about "discrimination"? I was merely pondering the possibility that cross-language reference might increase the learning potential of ML. If it can compare between different language models, then likelihood interpreting the right way could be increased. Google seems to be doing something like this with for Google translate, using Bible translations [0]. [0] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/j5npeg/why-is-google-translate-spitting-out-sinister-religious-prophecies https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/j5npeg/why-is-goo...
- aogl 8y agoPerception of real life may not be what you think it is. Visual information processing is the visual reasoning skill that enables us to process and interpret meaning from visual information that we gain through our eyesight; perhaps this is not the same for all of us and is well illustrated with this AI example?
- joewee 8y agoThis reminds me of the scene from the Matrix when they question whether the AI knows how to replicate the taste of human food “maybe they couldn’t figure out what chicken taste like, which is why chicken taste like everything.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEnJfZ9joY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEnJfZ9joY
- BrandoElFollito 8y agoThe level of our AI capabilities today means for me that - we must not give it any decision making abilities because they will fail terribly on some mundane task - SkyNet is not for yommorox, or the day after