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This is the other side of plagiarism. In third world countries, promotions depend on publications, so they just copy others papers. This is easy to catch with s

This is the other side of plagiarism. In third world countries, promotions depend on publications, so they just copy others papers. This is easy to catch with software with enough access to all journals. In experimental fields, one just pulls data out of thin air or one just discards observations that are contrary to the hypothesis being tested. This attitude is so rampant in psychology, cognitive neuroscience, and disciplines that use statistics. I’m quite sympathetic to some guy in some random university in Pakistan, India or China. His plagiarization involves submitting his publication to some fourth rate publication. The real abusers are in the first world, their primary tool is experiments and data.

irq11 8y ago
”In experimental fields, one just pulls data out of thin air or one just discards observations that are contrary to the hypothesis being tested. This attitude is so rampant in psychology, cognitive neuroscience, and disciplines that use statistics.” Please cite direct evidence that this is “rampant”. Articles making claims of “replication crisis” without direct evidence of fraud do not count. There’s a huge gap between failure to replicate and fraud, and quite frankly, most of the replication crisis media tends to repeat the same stories, providing little additional proof to back up the claims of “crisis”.
- oldgradstudent 8y ago
  Let's start with our beloved Brian Wansink: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/brian-wansink-cornell-p-hacking https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/brian-wan... The money quote is: > "I don’t think I’ve ever done an interesting study where the data ‘came out’ the first time I looked at it,” he told her over email.
  - cwyers 8y ago
    Wansink is a fraud. One case does not make for rampancy.
    - ekun 8y ago
      Yeah this is a case of someone on daytime television shows talking about dieting. There are plenty of fake doctors making claims in this realm. The scary part is the acceptance of fake science into the general public and especially it being perpetuated heavily by a large part of our political system.
    - oldgradstudent 8y ago
      It wasn't just Wansink. Everyone around him knew and participated to some extent. His postdocs (except the one who said no), his PhD students, and all his other co-authors. They all knew and never said a word. When Cornell was told, they made some pious noises and ignored it until it became too public. Journals ignored all criticism until it became too public. This is a system that does not police fraud.
      - anoncoward111 8y ago
        When I look at the grad school system, I am really confused. I really, really wanted to go to grad school at a top 10 history program, where I also did an undergrad honors' thesis. I was prepared to accept $18,000 a year as a living wage, and I was excited to be an adjunct for $35,000 a year with crazy hours and no health benefits in a small college town. Now I am paid usually $45,000 - $60,000 per year to talk on a phone to people who need help filling out a web form in order to buy something. It's a bit absurd. I don't mind this work and it is good money. It keeps me and my girlfriend fed and sheltered. Why is the university system so negligent and abusive towards those who invent new ideas and teach new inventors?
        nonbel 8y ago
        >"Either millions of students are overpaying every year, or the system provides some value." Its the former, except the government is paying for it... EDIT: I say this as someone who got paid by the government via academia to torture rodents for no reason for years.
        8y ago
et2o 8y ago
That random guy in Pakistan, India, or China would absolutely submit his [1] publication to NEJM or Nature if he could get it accepted there. [1] I say "his" because it seems like men are highly overrepresented in submitting falsified data. Obviously there are probably more men in science to start with, but consider that 30/30 of the most retracted scientists are men. https://retractionwatch.com/the-retraction-watch-leaderboard/ https://retractionwatch.com/the-retraction-watch-leaderboard...
- anoncoward111 8y ago
  Additionally, in older English grammar books, "his" is the default gender neutral pronoun. "They/their" is a modern invention with disputed acceptance. I personally prefer "they/their" over even "his or her" EDIT: Please don't downvote statements of fact. My karma score pays the price for your momentary burst of dopamine.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Shakespeare used they, those grammar books are stupid. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002748.html http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002748.h...
- ggg9990 8y ago
  Then surely a generic CEO can be referred to as “him” since 29/30 of Fortune 500 CEOs are men.
  - et2o 8y ago
    Yes I agree men are statistically overrepresented as CEOs of fortune 500 companies. I don't think that's debatable.
- eftychis 8y ago
  30 is not even statistically significant... Plus, my belief at least, this is the tip of the iceberg for some fields. (So don't worry there will be more.)

irq11 8y ago

”In experimental fields, one just pulls data out of thin air or one just discards observations that are contrary to the hypothesis being tested. This attitude is so rampant in psychology, cognitive neuroscience, and disciplines that use statistics.” Please cite direct evidence that this is “rampant”. Articles making claims of “replication crisis” without direct evidence of fraud do not count. There’s a huge gap between failure to replicate and fraud, and quite frankly, most of the replication crisis media tends to repeat the same stories, providing little additional proof to back up the claims of “crisis”.

oldgradstudent 8y ago
Let's start with our beloved Brian Wansink: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/brian-wansink-cornell-p-hacking https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/brian-wan... The money quote is: > "I don’t think I’ve ever done an interesting study where the data ‘came out’ the first time I looked at it,” he told her over email.
- cwyers 8y ago
  Wansink is a fraud. One case does not make for rampancy.
  - ekun 8y ago
    Yeah this is a case of someone on daytime television shows talking about dieting. There are plenty of fake doctors making claims in this realm. The scary part is the acceptance of fake science into the general public and especially it being perpetuated heavily by a large part of our political system.
  - oldgradstudent 8y ago
    It wasn't just Wansink. Everyone around him knew and participated to some extent. His postdocs (except the one who said no), his PhD students, and all his other co-authors. They all knew and never said a word. When Cornell was told, they made some pious noises and ignored it until it became too public. Journals ignored all criticism until it became too public. This is a system that does not police fraud.
    - anoncoward111 8y ago
      When I look at the grad school system, I am really confused. I really, really wanted to go to grad school at a top 10 history program, where I also did an undergrad honors' thesis. I was prepared to accept $18,000 a year as a living wage, and I was excited to be an adjunct for $35,000 a year with crazy hours and no health benefits in a small college town. Now I am paid usually $45,000 - $60,000 per year to talk on a phone to people who need help filling out a web form in order to buy something. It's a bit absurd. I don't mind this work and it is good money. It keeps me and my girlfriend fed and sheltered. Why is the university system so negligent and abusive towards those who invent new ideas and teach new inventors?
      - nonbel 8y ago
        >"Either millions of students are overpaying every year, or the system provides some value." Its the former, except the government is paying for it... EDIT: I say this as someone who got paid by the government via academia to torture rodents for no reason for years.
        8y ago

et2o 8y ago

That random guy in Pakistan, India, or China would absolutely submit his [1] publication to NEJM or Nature if he could get it accepted there. [1] I say "his" because it seems like men are highly overrepresented in submitting falsified data. Obviously there are probably more men in science to start with, but consider that 30/30 of the most retracted scientists are men. https://retractionwatch.com/the-retraction-watch-leaderboard/ https://retractionwatch.com/the-retraction-watch-leaderboard...

anoncoward111 8y ago
Additionally, in older English grammar books, "his" is the default gender neutral pronoun. "They/their" is a modern invention with disputed acceptance. I personally prefer "they/their" over even "his or her" EDIT: Please don't downvote statements of fact. My karma score pays the price for your momentary burst of dopamine.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  Shakespeare used they, those grammar books are stupid. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002748.html http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002748.h...
ggg9990 8y ago
Then surely a generic CEO can be referred to as “him” since 29/30 of Fortune 500 CEOs are men.
- et2o 8y ago
  Yes I agree men are statistically overrepresented as CEOs of fortune 500 companies. I don't think that's debatable.
eftychis 8y ago
30 is not even statistically significant... Plus, my belief at least, this is the tip of the iceberg for some fields. (So don't worry there will be more.)