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Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas
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- ddorian43 8y agoIs there any field AT ALL where males are underprivileged and they are somehow helped compared to females ?
- icelancer 8y agoYes, nursing.
- sgift 8y agoHow are males helped in nursing?
- wishinghand 8y agoSemi-related. I have a male friend go into respiratory therapy. One of 4 men in his class out of 60 overall classmates. All else being equal, the men had advantages in placement at desirable hospitals to do hands-on learning because the staff there wanted to attract gender diversity onto their team. I ran into something similar when I applied for an editorial assistant at some entertainment blog in 2009 or so. This was based in San Francisco. The entire staff was women. I was told by some that they were eager to get a different perspective on the team. I did not get that job, but I felt like I was given some preference based on being a guy.
- ddorian43 8y agoHow are males helped with easier stuff on nursing compared to females ??
- geomark 8y agoI was wondering about this as well. Did some googling. Saw many articles about how there is a strong demand for male nurses. Found nothing about special incentives or other benefits for being a male and entering nursing. Maybe they exist but don't show up in the top of the SERPs.
- matthewmacleod 8y ago"Men offered a £3,000 sweetener to induce them to train as nurses" - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/men-offered-3000-sweetener-induce-train-nurses/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/men-offered-3000...
- nugget 8y agoI guess the roughly equivalent move here would be for a nursing school to reduce or waive certain fees for male applicants, based on a desire to encourage more men to apply, enroll, and ultimately enter the nursing field. It’s not immediately obvious to me what the public reaction would be.
- Annatar 8y agoBallet.
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- belorn 8y agoHere in Sweden we have a rather good statistics over employment as part of tax collection and it is public record. Men and women are employed in the same rate, with 85% of men working in gender segregated professions and 86% of women. As such it is rather simple math that is indeed supported by the actually numbers for each profession that about half of the professions are dominated by women and about half is dominated by men, with a small minority of 14.5% that has a minimum 40% men and women in them (The official minimum line for gender segregation). You want a top 10 list? Last time I check the highest segregated profession was midwife at around 99.7% women to 0.3% men. Second highest is dentist nurse with 99.6% women. Third highest is stone brick layers with 99.4% men. Forth to ninth was all 99% and are listed as mechanics, tinsmith, carpenter, concrete construction worker, electrician, and plumber. Then its pediatric nurse at 98%. (2012 data) If one goes by the 30 most common profession in Sweden (ie most employees per profession group), female dominated professions are 17/30, male dominated professions are 11/30, and equal is 2/30. In that list the top groups are truck driver, construction worker, secretary, mechanic and nurse. (2004 data) Not sure how well google translate work but you can look at http://www.duochjobbet.se/nyhet/nio-av-tio-har-jobb-med-ojamn-konsfordelning/ http://www.duochjobbet.se/nyhet/nio-av-tio-har-jobb-med-ojam... and http://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/arbetsmarknad/sysselsattning-forvarvsarbete-och-arbetstider/yrkesregistret-med-yrkesstatistik/pong/tabell-och-diagram/30-storsta-yrkena/ http://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/arbet... Now if any of those professions have programs to address gender segregation is an other question, but since most of those have around 90-99% gender segregation one can guess that the efforts are not that effective if they exist.
- ddorian43 8y agoI know that. But I was asking where men are few and are helped more than women ?
- ddorian43 8y agoI guess if you're black female you get $500 if you join..
- nomercy400 8y ago"Form your new company as either an LLC or C Corporation in Delaware." - Isn't Delaware the new patent troll capital. Why would I want to start a company there? "Stripe Atlas will waive the one-time $500 company formation fee for anyone that uses the link below by October 15th." - Not just females? Otherwise it could be considered discrimination.
- cbcoutinho 8y agoDelaware has been advantageous for corporations for years for various legal and tax purposes, this isn't new.
- pas 8y agoDelaware has an extensively tested legal framework for corporations, well known for VCs, easy on the administrative and taxation burdens, etc.
- nik736 8y agoSo that’s how equality looks like?
- ddorian43 8y agoYes, that's how equality of outcome works. While equality of opportunity ..
- pasiaj 8y ago.. rewards people for their contributions, not based on their identity.
- Zealotux 8y agoWhy is it based on gender and not financial ressources though? I'm fairly sure there are women who can afford to pay $500 for this service and men who can't, sounds like yet another unnecessary divisive PR move that no one needs right now.
- ddorian43 8y agoYou should see Medical Doctor acceptance criteria based on race (white vs black vs asian).
- _Microft 8y agoNope, this is called affirmative action. Equality is a different thing and affirmative action is a possible way to try to reach more equality. Image it like Norway allowing electric cars on bus lanes. It's a way to reach a goal and can be phased out once you have gotten close enough.
- TomMarius 8y agoThat is a very, very different thing. I guess no electric vehicle will mind being told "ah, you're a woman, you had it so easy, you had everything given to you" after its lifelong work. Women will be hurt by this.
- kinjongmin 8y agoThis is gender discrimination
- nmstoker 8y agoInterested to know how this can be legal (much as I support greater balance)
- nmstoker 8y agoAlthough the text does seem to say "anyone" so maybe it's just promoted as for women but actually open to all (avoiding discrimination rules?)
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- headsoup 8y agoI get the intent here and applaud encouraging female participation and equality, but this is pretty much just discrimination based on sex.
- pas 8y agoThere are thresholds and regimes for many things in life. And Stripe probably thinks that there are so few female founders, that to get to a healthy state of things they need to "affirmatively actionize" them. I don't know if they are right or not, but it can be argued that to correct hundreds of years of negative discrimination you need some positive discrimination.
- fiiv 8y agoCan discrimination be positive? It seems by design the very concept is negative.
- close04 8y agoDiscrimination, just as the Latin word it derives from, is a process through which you distinguish between multiple groups or people. Just like to discern. The way you choose to to the distinction might be unfair: you either put someone at a disadvantage, or give them an unfair advantage. Most usage was focused on unfair disadvantage but it can be either really.
- fiiv 8y agoBut by giving someone an advantage you then immediately give a disadvantage to the ones not within the group you have chosen to advance. Even if perhaps your original intention was merely to do the opposite and help people.
- close04 8y agoNot necessarily. Not all games are 0 sum games so it is possible to give one an unfair advantage without subtracting from another. For example giving someone a free movie ticket doesn't mean that everybody else is penalized. They get to pay exactly what they were told and expected, and nothing changes their situation. But one person is subsidized, gets an advantage without it subtracting from the others. They all get to see the movie but one does so for free. In a university admission exam giving one person an unfair advantage might mean that they get admitted instead of someone else. So someone has to lose for this person to win.
- pmx 8y agoHow is this not sexism? Are women somehow less capable than men and need services handed to them in order to be successful? I don't think that's the case and I'm surprised Stripe appears to!
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- pas 8y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17773057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17773057
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- dc_gregory 8y agoIf you read the page carefully, they will waive the fee for anyone that uses the link. Assumption is they will be generally pushing this out via marketing channels that target women. Regardless, its a very nice thing for them to do!
- grosjona 8y agoThis is sexist. They should also allow Introverted Males WithOut Rich Parents to form a company for free. It is very difficult for an IMWORPs to start a company and raise funding these days. How many IMWORP CEOs are there these days? Probably close to 0. The worst part is that people make no distinction between IMWORP and EMWRPs even though we're the opposite.
- psycombi 8y agoInequality against man! Stripe wants to earn brownie points via hacker news. Not Good.
- psycombi 8y agoVery Bad, after this, i am going to remove Stripe integration from my website.
- cycrutchfield 8y agoSure you are
- chejazi 8y agoLooks like this post is angering some people so I will mention it looks like the promo is regardless of gender? Aside from the header "Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas." there is no suggestion that gender is a limiting factor for the discount.
- colordrops 8y agoWhat makes it "for female founders"?
- Lewton 8y agozhangela's inability to read?
- Lewton 8y agoSince the title has now been rephrased to something more representative of what Stripe is doing, I have to point out that my comment was made when the original title that zhangela made caused an absolute shitstorm I can't delete it now, so don't downvote it unless you're aware of the context it was made in I'm not a fan of the mod teams decision to unflag this with a rephrased title, as the discussions that were spawned by the original title really don't belong
- bdcravens 8y agoI've learned when an article is submitted with a changed title, to always reference that title in my comments. Most of the time, it'll get changed. > so don't downvote it unless you're aware of the context it was made in "zhangela's inability to read?" is a bit of an attack regardless of context, unless the context is actually discussing literacy. HN downvotes comments with that kind of tone, and more so one-liner comments with no explanation. Reddit probably wouldn't.
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- danieltillett 8y agoDoes this apply to those that self-identify as female if there is a dollar in it?
- tfolbrecht 8y agoAmazed nobody read the offer before commenting. I guess women are a subset of anyone lol
- alanfranzoni 8y agoIncorrect title.
- no1youknowz 8y agoYou know what would have been a much better move? Stripe Atlas waives the one-time $500 company formation fee for everyone. Stripe could then generate back the $500 in credit card processing fees by bolstering those startups, which wouldn't have otherwise existed. Edit: I see where the confusion is. The title is: "Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas." That's the reason for the reaction. However, at the bottom. "Stripe Atlas will waive the one-time $500 company formation fee for anyone that uses the link below by October 15th." I applaud this. The copy should have been read a bit more carefully! Although this article has been flagged. I would welcome clarification by Stripe!
- Lewton 8y agothat seems to be exactly what they're doing
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- kjullien 8y agoI mean, we've almost gone full loop, so why not just tell them you identify as a woman ? If they support this debauchery that is the "new-wave feminism" (my SO is a feminist, I support the cause and acknowledge that disparities exist in today's world, but what some so called "feminists" are fighting for today is... and its only made worse by the fact that the crazy ones are the ones that get publicized), they have no right to refuse you identifying as a woman. (I have no quarrels with non-binary genders or anything of the sort, simply trying to point out that we are `this` far away from a real life idiocracy) Went to a Vue conference recently that offered a "women only" workshop... I mean at what point do people realize that they are the INCARNATION of what they fight against ? How hard can that be ?
- anothergoogler 8y agoTalk about burying the lede, Vue.js has its own conferences now? What a time to be alive.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoSince the offer is actually open to "anyone", I will suggest the title of the piece is more intended to say something like "Yes, even you women! The word anyone is not code for any white male with SV connections. Honest!" A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that suggest to me that women are not supposed to so much as initiate conversations with men, I can kind of understand the logic here. Having been burned by an extremely toxic classist group where, no, the rules absolutely are not the same for "the wrong kind of people" -- by which we mean poor people (in this case, though they also do really shitty things to anyone who can't somehow establish in-group standing) -- I can understand why a lot of members of underprivileged groups err on the side of "They don't really mean me when they say anyone/everyone." My mind doesn't work that way. I generally take folks at their word, even when I know they may not really mean it -- and recently got banned from a forum for doing so because they were full of shit and didn't mean any of the high minded BS that came out of their lying mouths. I'm willing to live with that. But I'm also very well aware that if you get that result often enough, shunning can mean you de facto have no income at all, there is no place for you to go, etc. It can be essentially a death sentence, and I don't mean metaphorically. I mean literally. I don't know what the fix is. I'm not really all that crazy about the framing of this promo. But my suspicion is that is the real impetus here -- to make sure women don't feel that the subtext is "Not really you, though we say anyone." And, honestly, I don't have a better answer, so I'm not going to dog them for it.
- pc86 8y agoThis is a confusing, nonsensical rant, which is unfortunate because I feel like you're trying to make a good point but for the life of me I can't figure out what the hell it is.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoSocial stuff is complicated and one of the things that keeps oppressed groups oppressed is the fact that the rules are de facto different for them. So if you really want change, you need to somehow account for the fact that generic invitations won't be seen as "We really are actually inviting you, too" by some members of some groups. Is that any clearer for you? Because I don't think it's a rant at all.
- haaen 8y agoI do not understand why Stripe choose a headline that does partially cover the content of the article. In a sexist, but politically correct way. I also don't understand why comments about this being sexist get flagged. Finally, I wonder why the moderators changed the original HN headline to the same headline that Stripe uses. Isn't it HN policy that headlines that seems clickbaity or wrong get changed by the moderators, so that they become more factual and understated? Anyway, great move from Stripe. Seems that they want remove barriers for starting and running a company, which is good for the creation of wealth and jobs. Be it Stripe Atlas, the card business, Indiehackers or the publishing company. Al those newly founded companies are also target customers for Stripe. Which is completely ok and speaks of good common business sense!
- bufferoverflow 8y agoThat's gender discrimination. Stop with the sexism please.
- csomar 8y agoAre female less represented than, say, gay people? Are they less represented than, say, trans-black-woman or a non-binary-gender person. Shouldn't we rise above and instead of helping minorities, just help/accept "everyone" already. A side benefit is to remind them that there is no such thing as "minority" and they are regular persons. And that no particular person no matter what his gender/color/religion is still a person and welcome. And is it actually legal to give woman an unfair advantage? Or advertise capitalizing on it (I'm aware the offer is open to anyone).
- julionav 8y agoThis is great. I was just talking yesterday with my fiance about us needing to use stripe atlas yo open a company for our new side business!
- laurex 8y agoIt strikes me that it's rare that you hear an outcry about things being "marketed specifically to women" unless those things are ones that have traditionally been the domain of men. If an offer about makeup or diapers or Zumba class was clearly targeted at women, or even jobs that orient around similar themes, my guess is that it wouldn't merit much of an outcry on HN.
- greglindahl 8y agoThere's totally an outcry over "shrink it and pink it" as a marketing strategy. But, that's not what you were getting at, and indeed, you won't see much fuss about "shrink it and pink it" on HN.
- anon12345690 8y agothere is a difference between targeted to women and only available to women
- jblandino 8y agoTo end these discussions I will mention the following. I contacted the Stripe Atlas team about this offer and as they say, if they read the website, it refers to the offer is only for women (but it is not the case), the offer is open to any person / gender that wants take advantage of it, they only put "For women" to continue promoting in which more founders are united to the emprendimiento of this decade. For example, I just got the offer as a man, they did not charge me the $ 500 fee, so I understand that everything is correct. Do not take everything as literal, one thing is what the web says and another is what they really offer, anyone can be wrong.