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Or move to Belgium/Germany where university education costs less than a thousand per year.. And you may enjoy a proper beer as a student.. Afterwards universal

Or move to Belgium/Germany where university education costs less than a thousand per year.. And you may enjoy a proper beer as a student.. Afterwards universal health insurance and unionized labour.. All debt free.. Cheers!

selectodude 8y ago
Most masters degree students are over the age of 21. Also “move to Germany” isn’t really something you can just...do.
- nostrebored 8y ago
  It is. People treat moving like some sort of impossibility -- apply for a student visa and go. The quality of education you'll get there is questionable, though
  - alexgmcm 8y ago
    I find in STEM that's not such an issue. I mean I studied Physics at a good UK Uni but it isn't like one of the best in the world or anything. Then I did Neuroinformatics at Edinburgh which is really competitive due to their reputation in AI etc. It was fine, ultimately linear algebra etc. are the same wherever you learn it. I think in less objective and more qualitative fields the reputation of the University etc. counts a lot more.
    - nostrebored 8y ago
      As someone who's taken two linear algebra courses at different schools -- it's really not. When the expected level is familiarity with basic concepts vs. being prepared for a top-tier graduate degree program, the course content becomes very different. When this is aggregated over all of your courses, then you start to get a gigantic disparity.
  - piotr1212 8y ago
    Do you got a source on your quality statement? Many European universities do quite good in the rankings.
  - ginko 8y ago
    >The quality of education you'll get there is questionable, though Why would you think this? From my experience technical universities in Europe do a lot less hand holding and a lot more practical courses than American ones do.
56chan4 8y ago
super fast broadband.. super fast autobahns.. super good cars.. in Germany..
- detaro 8y ago
  super fast broadband is something Germany is... not great at.
  - sannee 8y ago
    Can't speak about Germany, but we have 100Mb/s symmetric internet for about 5$/month at the Charles University student dorms here in Prague. Technically, there is supposed to be some fairly brutal bandwidth sharing and the speed is not guaranteed in any way but I never had my speedtest drop under 90Mb/s
    - detaro 8y ago
      Universities are a bit of a different bag in general, and yes, I was specifically talking about Germany. There's large differences between European countries when it comes to internet speeds and costs.
rootusrootus 8y ago
Maybe those German universities should get in on this online action! I could do an online masters from Germany just as easily as I do one in Georgia...
- stochastic_monk 8y ago
  That's actually a very interesting idea for a country with socialized education wanting a large academic footprint in the world: also open up your classes to online and service the world. I don't know how expensive it might be, but it's got to be a lot cheaper per student for the university.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    As someone currently working my way through OMSCS, I imagine that the incremental cost of adding students is very low. I don't know exactly what ratio GT uses, but the only non-digital scaling they do is TAs. With more polishing of the online content and improvement of the auto-graders, they could probably push the ratio down pretty low. Just have to figure out how to do it without compromising the perceived quality of the education. And TAs aren't expensive in any case, I'm pretty sure they are compensated pretty poorly.
    - pmulv 8y ago
      Taken from an email I got last semester: Working as a TA pays $15 per hour, distributed twice monthly based on submitted timesheets (alumni are salaried, however).
    - ajdlinux 8y ago
      I'm led to believe their student-TA ratio is about 50:1. The US$15/hr TA pay rate is absolute garbage - when I TAed as a 3rd year undergrad in Australia, I was paid double that.
  - atmosx 8y ago
    The universities in many European countries, are subsidized by the state because education is considered a human right. Having a proper set of teachers, brick and mortar universities, research, etc. costs a lot more than 1k/year per student. While allowing a 5-10% foreign students is good for the remaining 90% because culture, variety, etc., opening up the lectures to people who effectively do not pay taxes, makes no sense. This is why in Bulgaria, Cz and other countries you see locals paying low rates while other Europeans paying private college fees.
monocasa 8y ago
I know this is an online degree, but just going to throw out there that the states has better beer than Europe these days. And Atlanta is one of the new up and coming stars. My brother in law's brewery went home with a silver GABF medal last year.
yodsanklai 8y ago
> Belgium/Germany where university education costs less than a thousand per year. France too, and I suppose most(?) European countries. Many universities have international masters where classes are taught in English. Students come from everywhere, including the US. It's easy to get a student visa.
nkozyra 8y ago
The price and the healthcare ... Ok they got us here. But beer? The breadth and depth of beer in the US is insane now.

selectodude 8y ago

Most masters degree students are over the age of 21. Also “move to Germany” isn’t really something you can just...do.

nostrebored 8y ago
It is. People treat moving like some sort of impossibility -- apply for a student visa and go. The quality of education you'll get there is questionable, though
- alexgmcm 8y ago
  I find in STEM that's not such an issue. I mean I studied Physics at a good UK Uni but it isn't like one of the best in the world or anything. Then I did Neuroinformatics at Edinburgh which is really competitive due to their reputation in AI etc. It was fine, ultimately linear algebra etc. are the same wherever you learn it. I think in less objective and more qualitative fields the reputation of the University etc. counts a lot more.
  - nostrebored 8y ago
    As someone who's taken two linear algebra courses at different schools -- it's really not. When the expected level is familiarity with basic concepts vs. being prepared for a top-tier graduate degree program, the course content becomes very different. When this is aggregated over all of your courses, then you start to get a gigantic disparity.
- piotr1212 8y ago
  Do you got a source on your quality statement? Many European universities do quite good in the rankings.
- ginko 8y ago
  >The quality of education you'll get there is questionable, though Why would you think this? From my experience technical universities in Europe do a lot less hand holding and a lot more practical courses than American ones do.

56chan4 8y ago

super fast broadband.. super fast autobahns.. super good cars.. in Germany..

detaro 8y ago
super fast broadband is something Germany is... not great at.
- sannee 8y ago
  Can't speak about Germany, but we have 100Mb/s symmetric internet for about 5$/month at the Charles University student dorms here in Prague. Technically, there is supposed to be some fairly brutal bandwidth sharing and the speed is not guaranteed in any way but I never had my speedtest drop under 90Mb/s
  - detaro 8y ago
    Universities are a bit of a different bag in general, and yes, I was specifically talking about Germany. There's large differences between European countries when it comes to internet speeds and costs.

rootusrootus 8y ago

Maybe those German universities should get in on this online action! I could do an online masters from Germany just as easily as I do one in Georgia...

stochastic_monk 8y ago
That's actually a very interesting idea for a country with socialized education wanting a large academic footprint in the world: also open up your classes to online and service the world. I don't know how expensive it might be, but it's got to be a lot cheaper per student for the university.
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  As someone currently working my way through OMSCS, I imagine that the incremental cost of adding students is very low. I don't know exactly what ratio GT uses, but the only non-digital scaling they do is TAs. With more polishing of the online content and improvement of the auto-graders, they could probably push the ratio down pretty low. Just have to figure out how to do it without compromising the perceived quality of the education. And TAs aren't expensive in any case, I'm pretty sure they are compensated pretty poorly.
  - pmulv 8y ago
    Taken from an email I got last semester: Working as a TA pays $15 per hour, distributed twice monthly based on submitted timesheets (alumni are salaried, however).
  - ajdlinux 8y ago
    I'm led to believe their student-TA ratio is about 50:1. The US$15/hr TA pay rate is absolute garbage - when I TAed as a 3rd year undergrad in Australia, I was paid double that.
- atmosx 8y ago
  The universities in many European countries, are subsidized by the state because education is considered a human right. Having a proper set of teachers, brick and mortar universities, research, etc. costs a lot more than 1k/year per student. While allowing a 5-10% foreign students is good for the remaining 90% because culture, variety, etc., opening up the lectures to people who effectively do not pay taxes, makes no sense. This is why in Bulgaria, Cz and other countries you see locals paying low rates while other Europeans paying private college fees.

monocasa 8y ago

I know this is an online degree, but just going to throw out there that the states has better beer than Europe these days. And Atlanta is one of the new up and coming stars. My brother in law's brewery went home with a silver GABF medal last year.

yodsanklai 8y ago

> Belgium/Germany where university education costs less than a thousand per year. France too, and I suppose most(?) European countries. Many universities have international masters where classes are taught in English. Students come from everywhere, including the US. It's easy to get a student visa.

nkozyra 8y ago

The price and the healthcare ... Ok they got us here. But beer? The breadth and depth of beer in the US is insane now.