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Bargain? That's practically highway robbery (taking from the developer that is)! A developer making shitty modern react apps can make 180k a year with a bit of
by Justsignedup 8y ago
Bargain? That's practically highway robbery (taking from the developer that is)! A developer making shitty modern react apps can make 180k a year with a bit of effort.
And I have no idea how many lotus maintainers there are left in the world. Definitely not that many.
- linkmotif 8y agoNot many new ones being minted, but plenty existing ones I am sure :).
- FLUX-YOU 8y ago>A developer making shitty modern react apps can make 180k a year with a bit of effort. Living in an area with million dollar homes and 3k rents, sure.
- pkaye 8y agoUnless you bought your house 10+ years ago for a third the price. So one can make shitty modern react apps for $180k a year with a $300k home you nearly paid off.
- frockington 8y agoIf I could go back in time 10+ years I'd be putting all my money in bitcoin and Netflix
- oreo82 8y agoWhy netflix?
- copperx 8y agoIf only $36,000 of those 180k are going to rent, that's not a bad deal.
- pc86 8y agoThat's sharing a studio with someone or a 1BR with 3 others. When you actually factor in costs by all metrics you're better off making high 5-figures or low 6-figures in any non-urban area than you are being anything but the top 2-5% of software developers in the Bay Area.
- dionidium 8y agoRents in San Francisco are very high -- high enough, in fact, that this silly, obviously-false hyperbole is unnecessary.
- hotpotjunkie 8y agoSo you're claiming studios are $6000 and 1BR's are $9000? You can get a 1000 sqft for < $3000 within a 1 hour commute of SOMA.
- imoverclocked 8y agoA 1 hour commute costs you 2 hours a day. That's almost like working an extra 7 weeks a year with lower productivity and increased wear and tear on you.
- hotpotjunkie 8y agowho's debating that?
- jschwartzi 8y ago2 hours is about how long I spend at the gym every day and I'd hate to give that time up.
- pc86 8y agoIf you're spending more than ~50 minutes at the gym you're doing something wrong.
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- dsfyu404ed 8y ago>! A developer making shitty modern react apps can make 180k a year with a bit of effort. Only in an economy that runs on monopoly money. Baltimore isn't SV.
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoBaltimore is in striking distance of the DC area, where salaries aren’t known for being paltry due to federal largess.
- dsfyu404ed 8y agoYes there's upward pressure on pay (and the cost of everything that pay buys) from the DC area but the DMV is no SilleyValley in terms of pay and costs.
- pc86 8y agoPay, definitely not (I live within extended commute distance and have gotten offers for senior dev at $80k and similarly insulting numbers) but it's pretty up there in terms of COL.
- compuguy 8y agoWow, those companies definitely are low-balling (especially for a senior position in the DC area). Were those positions ones that required a security clearance, though?
- eli 8y agoFederal workers don't get paid particularly well, actually. There's some competition among contractors especially if you have active clearance but nothing approaching SV.
- mattcaldwell 8y agoUmm, I know plenty of people in the Baltimore area who are pulling in that kind of money for Rails and Django apps.
- kodablah 8y agoI see nothing in the article that suggests this is a single person's full time job.
- Yhippa 8y agoIn that case this is an even bigger steal!
- simonw 8y ago> Computer & Network Consultants’s David Alonge, who is responsible for programming and maintaining all of the Police Department’s Lotus Notes applications, told The Sun that the software is “working wonderfully for the police.” He said it runs so smoothly that it isn’t necessary to bring in someone else to help manage it.
- kodablah 8y agoThat makes me think it's even more likely not his full time job.
- megaman22 8y agoIf it's running well, he might never have to touch it. We sell some Notes-based products with some considerable customers (still!) and only get a couple emails a week or month. Annual support and maintenance fees just keep rolling in.
- zhdc1 8y agoThere's a lot to be said about legacy systems that just work.
- lostlogin 8y agoOr that the Baltimore Police don’t mind it running badly - given some of that department’s troubles, having the odd document vanish might be beneficial to them.
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- madeuptempacct 8y agoGood, senior, full-stack devs make $90,000-125,000 in flyover states atm. And I do mean good ones. A lot of people are stuck at $80,000ish. $180,000 for a front end tech lead is unheard of in said states. Architects make maybe $160,000.
- bdcravens 8y agoContractor could make that, which is what I thought was meant by "with a bit of effort".
- desireco42 8y ago150-160... flyover state :)
- dsfyu404ed 8y agoBaltimore isn't exactly in a flyover state. There's upward salary pressure from all the money shoveled into the DMV area.
- gammateam 8y agohahahaha at Maryland being a flyover state now. With it hosting several of the richest counties in the entire country, and like all of the federal government and contractors that can't fit inside DC city limits.
- bdhess 8y agoJust because the customer is in Maryland doesn’t mean the dev has to be.
- sbjs 8y agoHey I'd be happy to get $70,000 but I'm stuck having to take care of family so I have to stay in the middle of bufu egypt. Trying to find remote consulting gigs but they're hard to find!
- xvector 8y agoMost companies will offer to pay for the relocation of you and your family, along with your home, from Egypt to wherever you want to move.
- pmart123 8y agoI believe you answered your own question. When there aren't many individuals left in the world with the associated expertise, and when a younger developer sees no growth potential for learning this expertise, you probably will have to pay more a la supply & demand. That said, this doesn't seem particularly high. My guess is a migration would easily cost seven figures. However, sometimes delaying the problem is really kicking the can down the road to when there are even fewer people with lotus expertise.
- james1071 8y agoif he plays it right, he will have an easy job for life