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More than kinda - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

metalliqaz 8y ago
Activist and former white supremacist Christian Picciolini claims that "globalist" was an intentional renaming of "Jewish" in order to make their message more palatable to mainstream conservatives.
- api 8y ago
  "Globalist" is a very old antisemitic slur -- see "The International Jew" by Henry Ford.
  - cat199 8y ago
    sooo.. If one is anti-globalist, one is inherently anti-semitic? What then does it mean to be a globalist? And further, if defending being a 'globalist' automatically implies 'defending jews' what does this implicitly imply 'all jews' actually believe geopolitically? the faulty logic runs deep in this line of thinking; the allegedly racist term then becomes 'the reality', which should then be protected..
    - api 8y ago
      You can be against neoliberalism, unfair trade, or international political entities overriding national sovereignty without being antisemitic. Picking a dog whistle term that happens to sound like a reasonable position is a standard political tactic. Another example: "family values" which is a euphemism for theocracy. Who would actually oppose "the family"?
      - ramblerouser 8y ago
        How do you describe "international political entities overriding national sovereignty" without using the word "globalist" or "internationalist"? (Both of which are antisemitic apparently)
        api 8y ago
        That's exactly why white supremacists picked those terms.
        ramblerouser 8y ago
        Im asking you what term you think is appropriate. It seems like you dont think ANY word is appropriate, and that is 1984 newspeak. If your opponent isnt allowed to have a word to describe your position, they cant effectively argue against it. edit: Lol. Thank you for validating my theory.
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- ceejayoz 8y ago
  Breitbart is a repeated and notable example: https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/897925242122887169?lang=en https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/897925242122887169?...
DoctorOetker 8y ago
People seldom look up the etymology of words, symbols, etc... instead they typically deduce meaning from either A) usage or B) fitting with domain knowledge. For an example of A) most people think the word "perverse" means something like "sexually sick" i.e. they think a "perverse depiction" literally means a "sexually sick depiction". This is because we learn the word at a young age, and that is how most people use it, and we didn't bother to use dictionaries the first time you started using the word on the playground. In fact perverse comes from per- (away) and vertere (to turn), i.e. to turn away, or to turn a blind eye. For example a policeman approving of a crowd attacking a minority without intervening would be a true act of perversion as he "turns away" from the matter, similar with "perverse incentives" etc This however is a clear example of B) in my view: notice how the tweet is NOT some triple parentheses, if you count carefully you will see 7 parentheses in total. The author of the tweet probably encountered the symbol before in the context of Judaism and thought through his prior domain knowledge that it signified a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) which is a Jewish candelabra holding 7 candles. So while the triple parenteses meme could perfectly have an alt-right origin, the author obviously associated no racist or discriminatory connotation (btw religion is not a race). IMHO he simply refers to some unspecified "jewish issue"
- untog 8y ago
  > The author of the tweet probably encountered the symbol before in the context of Judaism and thought through his prior domain knowledge that it signified a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) which is a Jewish candelabra holding 7 candles. That is an absolutely massive stretch. Come on. We may all use the word "perverse" incorrectly, but it's a word we all hear. Not everyone hears/sees the ((())) denotation for Jewish people - in fact, it's almost exclusively used in alt-right circles. So if you're aware of it at all it is highly suggestive of the kind of company you keep.
  - DoctorOetker 8y ago
    I never frequent alt-right nonsense, and I don't have a twitter facebook snapchat-roulette account. I had never seen before neither the triple parentheses nor the 7 parentheses. Its the first time I see empty nested parentheses. As I read the tweet, the first thing that entered my mind was the Menorah, (actually I thought it was called a candelabra, but after looking that up, I saw a 3-pronged candelabra on wikipedia, then somewhere in the page the Menorah was mentioned and I realized I was visualizing a Menorah...). Then I clicked the link to see how the triple parentheses could offend anyone, and I am now up to date to avoid using them (I never did, never even saw them anywhere else than the mentioned wikipedia page). Since my experience was one of recognizing the Menorah, I considered it entirely plausible that the author made the same association whenever he first encountered triple parentheses. So if my first reaction was seeing an ASCII Menorah, then to me no that is not "an absolute massive stretch" at all!! Once I saw the confusion I checked back on the number of parentheses and behold, unbalanced, exactly 7...

Activist and former white supremacist Christian Picciolini claims that "globalist" was an intentional renaming of "Jewish" in order to make their message more palatable to mainstream conservatives.

api 8y ago
"Globalist" is a very old antisemitic slur -- see "The International Jew" by Henry Ford.
- cat199 8y ago
  sooo.. If one is anti-globalist, one is inherently anti-semitic? What then does it mean to be a globalist? And further, if defending being a 'globalist' automatically implies 'defending jews' what does this implicitly imply 'all jews' actually believe geopolitically? the faulty logic runs deep in this line of thinking; the allegedly racist term then becomes 'the reality', which should then be protected..
  - api 8y ago
    You can be against neoliberalism, unfair trade, or international political entities overriding national sovereignty without being antisemitic. Picking a dog whistle term that happens to sound like a reasonable position is a standard political tactic. Another example: "family values" which is a euphemism for theocracy. Who would actually oppose "the family"?
    - ramblerouser 8y ago
      How do you describe "international political entities overriding national sovereignty" without using the word "globalist" or "internationalist"? (Both of which are antisemitic apparently)
      - api 8y ago
        That's exactly why white supremacists picked those terms.
        ramblerouser 8y ago
        Im asking you what term you think is appropriate. It seems like you dont think ANY word is appropriate, and that is 1984 newspeak. If your opponent isnt allowed to have a word to describe your position, they cant effectively argue against it. edit: Lol. Thank you for validating my theory.
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ceejayoz 8y ago
Breitbart is a repeated and notable example: https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/897925242122887169?lang=en https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/897925242122887169?...

DoctorOetker 8y ago

People seldom look up the etymology of words, symbols, etc... instead they typically deduce meaning from either A) usage or B) fitting with domain knowledge. For an example of A) most people think the word "perverse" means something like "sexually sick" i.e. they think a "perverse depiction" literally means a "sexually sick depiction". This is because we learn the word at a young age, and that is how most people use it, and we didn't bother to use dictionaries the first time you started using the word on the playground. In fact perverse comes from per- (away) and vertere (to turn), i.e. to turn away, or to turn a blind eye. For example a policeman approving of a crowd attacking a minority without intervening would be a true act of perversion as he "turns away" from the matter, similar with "perverse incentives" etc This however is a clear example of B) in my view: notice how the tweet is NOT some triple parentheses, if you count carefully you will see 7 parentheses in total. The author of the tweet probably encountered the symbol before in the context of Judaism and thought through his prior domain knowledge that it signified a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) which is a Jewish candelabra holding 7 candles. So while the triple parenteses meme could perfectly have an alt-right origin, the author obviously associated no racist or discriminatory connotation (btw religion is not a race). IMHO he simply refers to some unspecified "jewish issue"

untog 8y ago
> The author of the tweet probably encountered the symbol before in the context of Judaism and thought through his prior domain knowledge that it signified a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple) which is a Jewish candelabra holding 7 candles. That is an absolutely massive stretch. Come on. We may all use the word "perverse" incorrectly, but it's a word we all hear. Not everyone hears/sees the ((())) denotation for Jewish people - in fact, it's almost exclusively used in alt-right circles. So if you're aware of it at all it is highly suggestive of the kind of company you keep.
- DoctorOetker 8y ago
  I never frequent alt-right nonsense, and I don't have a twitter facebook snapchat-roulette account. I had never seen before neither the triple parentheses nor the 7 parentheses. Its the first time I see empty nested parentheses. As I read the tweet, the first thing that entered my mind was the Menorah, (actually I thought it was called a candelabra, but after looking that up, I saw a 3-pronged candelabra on wikipedia, then somewhere in the page the Menorah was mentioned and I realized I was visualizing a Menorah...). Then I clicked the link to see how the triple parentheses could offend anyone, and I am now up to date to avoid using them (I never did, never even saw them anywhere else than the mentioned wikipedia page). Since my experience was one of recognizing the Menorah, I considered it entirely plausible that the author made the same association whenever he first encountered triple parentheses. So if my first reaction was seeing an ASCII Menorah, then to me no that is not "an absolute massive stretch" at all!! Once I saw the confusion I checked back on the number of parentheses and behold, unbalanced, exactly 7...