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We are open to suggestions, but the largest cognitive load, we think, comes from reading the actual arguments and thinking along, not from the way we present th

by Kialo 8y ago

We are open to suggestions, but the largest cognitive load, we think, comes from reading the actual arguments and thinking along, not from the way we present them. This interface version 4.5, but we are happy to try new stuff. :)

antpls 8y ago
Maybe you could propose alternative interfaces, and let each users chose the one that best fits them.
- foota 8y ago
  You'd have to list out the pros and cons and...
  - Kialo 8y ago
    ...fortunately, we have got a tool for that ;)
    - antpls 8y ago
      A parallel meta-kialo to debate about the platform itself, like the meta-exchange website, may be a nice idea
      - Kialo 8y ago
        These are happening...though we should have a dedicated place for them: https://www.kialo.com/kialo-should-create-a-mobile-app-additionally-to-already-working-on-mobile-browser-6525 https://www.kialo.com/kialo-should-create-a-mobile-app-addit...
        antpls 8y ago
        I'm not sure why, but when I first opened your link, I had a view with a wheel. Then I clicked on something I don't remember, and the wheel disappeared and a tree replaced it. But now I can't go back to the wheel, even if I close the tab and reopen your link. Is that a bug? I'm on Firefox, Android 8.1 Edit : Nevermind, I found the view on the menu, then "Info / Stats / Topology". For information, I never opened the website on a desktop, and the mobile version is a bit overwhelming at first sight. UI animations are rather laggy Edit2 : Just registered to try to participate to that debate. A bit overwhelming at first, but after understanding the UI, that tool is awesome. Democracy Forum 2.0 right there :-) Edit3 : I agree that "agree"/"disagree" is easier to understand than "pro"/"cons" when navigating the tree. An action verb makes it more obvious that we can participate, and it then naturally shows a text box to add our arguments. Also, I'm still not a fan of green/red colors.
        antpls 8y ago
        My first debate : https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-open-source-16684 https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-... ;) It's also an awesome tool to help one at building a reasoning
- Kialo 8y ago
  Argh. And support all of them on all platforms, the dev team will shoot me. :)
  - DoctorOetker 8y ago
    separate discussion format/protocol from visualization, then anyone can implement their own discussion navigator/visualizer... the most obvious feature (and a more objective metric for the productivity of the scoring algorithms) would be a button or color that highlights the claim, which if swayed to garner more or less support would most influence the topmost/root claim. If you don't build it sommeone else will. The most popular and desirable interface is the one that helps the user sway the rest.
    - antpls 8y ago
      Going the open source way is one solution : https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-open-source-16684 https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-...

by Kialo 8y ago

antpls 8y ago

Maybe you could propose alternative interfaces, and let each users chose the one that best fits them.

foota 8y ago
You'd have to list out the pros and cons and...
- Kialo 8y ago
  ...fortunately, we have got a tool for that ;)
  - antpls 8y ago
    A parallel meta-kialo to debate about the platform itself, like the meta-exchange website, may be a nice idea
    - Kialo 8y ago
      These are happening...though we should have a dedicated place for them: https://www.kialo.com/kialo-should-create-a-mobile-app-additionally-to-already-working-on-mobile-browser-6525 https://www.kialo.com/kialo-should-create-a-mobile-app-addit...
      - antpls 8y ago
        I'm not sure why, but when I first opened your link, I had a view with a wheel. Then I clicked on something I don't remember, and the wheel disappeared and a tree replaced it. But now I can't go back to the wheel, even if I close the tab and reopen your link. Is that a bug? I'm on Firefox, Android 8.1 Edit : Nevermind, I found the view on the menu, then "Info / Stats / Topology". For information, I never opened the website on a desktop, and the mobile version is a bit overwhelming at first sight. UI animations are rather laggy Edit2 : Just registered to try to participate to that debate. A bit overwhelming at first, but after understanding the UI, that tool is awesome. Democracy Forum 2.0 right there :-) Edit3 : I agree that "agree"/"disagree" is easier to understand than "pro"/"cons" when navigating the tree. An action verb makes it more obvious that we can participate, and it then naturally shows a text box to add our arguments. Also, I'm still not a fan of green/red colors.
      - antpls 8y ago
        My first debate : https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-open-source-16684 https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-... ;) It's also an awesome tool to help one at building a reasoning
Kialo 8y ago
Argh. And support all of them on all platforms, the dev team will shoot me. :)
- DoctorOetker 8y ago
  separate discussion format/protocol from visualization, then anyone can implement their own discussion navigator/visualizer... the most obvious feature (and a more objective metric for the productivity of the scoring algorithms) would be a button or color that highlights the claim, which if swayed to garner more or less support would most influence the topmost/root claim. If you don't build it sommeone else will. The most popular and desirable interface is the one that helps the user sway the rest.
  - antpls 8y ago
    Going the open source way is one solution : https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-open-source-16684 https://www.kialo.com/kalios-source-code-should-be-free-and-...