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I disagree with your comparison to criminals. Gathering evidence for a case can be done at any place relevant to a case. It is sad to see that they confiscated

I disagree with your comparison to criminals. Gathering evidence for a case can be done at any place relevant to a case. It is sad to see that they confiscated materials owned by a witness, but within the bounds of "reason": they are a related party in said case. Please note: I do still, from what I read here, find this excessive use of power. A normal warrant with a request for data could very well have been enough, but that's guessing what kind of evidence the police expected to find.

onli 8y ago
The police took way more than they were allowed to by the warrant they got, a warrant that was already completely illegal. This is absolutely an overreach, the police, the staatsanwalt and the judge involved are standing outside the law.
dpwm 8y ago
Seems more like it's the police finding the "criminal" first and only then looking for the crime.
Pica_soO 8y ago
Man, i wonder if there is ever a act so vial/ a atrocity so overreaching, that i can open a thread, and can not find that one guy justifying whatever the government just did. Certainly, the shooting of students at the Tienanmen place was a bit extreme, but... Now we are all a bit caught on the emotional side by stalins deportations of conservative forces to Siberia, but consider for a moment.. Right, now everyone is starting to call the battle between Hutu and Tutsi a genocide, but if you take the step back... So where do they got you by the balls? Anyone threatened your family? Did you sink so much devotion into a concept like the always-correctness-of-hierarchical-highers, that the temporary lapse of these becomes unthinkable? Im just seriously curious.
anoncoward111 8y ago
Hi mattashii, This is the police. We have reason to believe you've witnessed a crime somewhere at some time. Please willingly give us all of your electronics right now. Yes we know you need them for work, for living, and that they cost thousands of USD. No we cant tell you when we'll give them back. Thanks Politie
- solarkraft 8y ago
  It's not just "please gib", it's a full raid.
mirimir 8y ago
They obviously wanted data from Riseup, about some email address. Which I gather has no presence in Germany. So they went after Zwiebelfreunde. That seems ridiculous. I mean, there's no way that Zwiebelfreunde would have any data about Riseup's email accounts. Even Riseup claims to retain nothing. I suppose that Zwiebelfreunde might have handled contributions to Riseup from someone using the targeted email address. So there might be a money trail. But that's pretty iffy.
- Proven 8y ago
  The police just needs just one identity from someone at Riseup IT to be able continue their hunt for the Website owners. (Whether they will find anything or not doesn't concern me. It seems the site's organizers were calling for violence or illegal disturbance against a legitimate political party, so screw them)

onli 8y ago

The police took way more than they were allowed to by the warrant they got, a warrant that was already completely illegal. This is absolutely an overreach, the police, the staatsanwalt and the judge involved are standing outside the law.

dpwm 8y ago

Seems more like it's the police finding the "criminal" first and only then looking for the crime.

Pica_soO 8y ago

Man, i wonder if there is ever a act so vial/ a atrocity so overreaching, that i can open a thread, and can not find that one guy justifying whatever the government just did. Certainly, the shooting of students at the Tienanmen place was a bit extreme, but... Now we are all a bit caught on the emotional side by stalins deportations of conservative forces to Siberia, but consider for a moment.. Right, now everyone is starting to call the battle between Hutu and Tutsi a genocide, but if you take the step back... So where do they got you by the balls? Anyone threatened your family? Did you sink so much devotion into a concept like the always-correctness-of-hierarchical-highers, that the temporary lapse of these becomes unthinkable? Im just seriously curious.

anoncoward111 8y ago

Hi mattashii, This is the police. We have reason to believe you've witnessed a crime somewhere at some time. Please willingly give us all of your electronics right now. Yes we know you need them for work, for living, and that they cost thousands of USD. No we cant tell you when we'll give them back. Thanks Politie

solarkraft 8y ago
It's not just "please gib", it's a full raid.

mirimir 8y ago

They obviously wanted data from Riseup, about some email address. Which I gather has no presence in Germany. So they went after Zwiebelfreunde. That seems ridiculous. I mean, there's no way that Zwiebelfreunde would have any data about Riseup's email accounts. Even Riseup claims to retain nothing. I suppose that Zwiebelfreunde might have handled contributions to Riseup from someone using the targeted email address. So there might be a money trail. But that's pretty iffy.

Proven 8y ago
The police just needs just one identity from someone at Riseup IT to be able continue their hunt for the Website owners. (Whether they will find anything or not doesn't concern me. It seems the site's organizers were calling for violence or illegal disturbance against a legitimate political party, so screw them)