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Let's discuss how we can fix this. I'm actually considering leaving my job of 8 years for a probably to be doomed privacy startup. Either way, I'm interested

by axaxs 8y ago

Let's discuss how we can fix this. I'm actually considering leaving my job of 8 years for a probably to be doomed privacy startup. Either way, I'm interested in solutions and more importantly working towards them, even for free.

mmiller9 8y ago
Legislation. We need legal repercussions for people who wantonly mishandle our personal information. Sorry, but the market can’t help us. This kind of shit needs to be illegal yesterday. It’s just impossible because we have a Congress that is so remarkably out of touch that they won’t do anything about it.
- zeth___ 8y ago
  How so many people are convinced the market will save them from the marker given the last 300 years oh history is beyond me.
  - extradego 8y ago
    In America, they simply do not know the last 300 years of history.
    - krageon 8y ago
      Practically everyone knows about the second world war, but nothing is being done about rising fascism. It has nothing to do with not knowing, it's just stupidity.
      - zeth___ 8y ago
        And how many know about the Ludlow Massacre? There is no rising fascism in America, if people really knew anything about the Wiemar Republic, Republican Spain, or March on Rome they would know that the left always loses when it tried to be humane and gain power. The only time the left gains power is when 'tankies' are the ones leading the resistance.
        extradego 8y ago
        I do not comprehend the actual point you intend to make. But, remember the left chooses the hard road, not because they can but because it is moral. Regardless, Trump is absolutely a fascist. It seems a bit futile to disagree.
      - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
        What do you suppose can be done about it?
        krageon 8y ago
        If you need a good example, look at Germany. They have very strict laws about it and while there are still fascists there (as there are everywhere), they do not run the country. Edit: On a more practical note, it's always baffled me how normalised it is. People who defend fascists in the US media are still respected and hired. They might be prominent political figures. Somehow calling attention to someone who is fascist is confused by anyone doing something as simple as saying "liberals are evil!", as if the two party system there has anything to do with racial supremacy. As an outsider, you look at it and think "This is the country that helped liberate Europe from the Nazis. How are they not ashamed?". Maybe I think the first step is allowing shame to enter into things when you think about your nation, instead of a quasi-religious patriotism.
- extradego 8y ago
  Government funded elections might solve most of our society’s spiraling issues but we can’t have any clue what the value would be until we try it. And of course we can’t make honest claims to democracy until then either.
  - ATsch 8y ago
    As an uninformed observer, one of the biggest issues I see is the US two party system. Do you think government funding would help with that? I've always seen it more as a weakness of the general US electoral FPTP system.
- raarts 8y ago
  Uhmm, actually Congress is very much in touch... With corporate interests.
joering2 8y ago
Congress grilled Equifax and nothing. Average person saw Equifax commercial on “hey be smart we will keep your info safe with alerts” and thought “wow this company cares about my data” when its precisely opposite. If the congress is unable or doesnt want to draft a bill to stop predators from milking money off of your data, then that money probably ends up in their pocket some way. Or at least some of it. Please dont quit your job for the sake of your security - food, shelter, etc. Move these assholes out with next election. Vote in young people that are probably as angry about this shit as you are, in hope they won’t sell out their soul.
- axaxs 8y ago
  In my ideal mind, I'd keep my job, it's pretty lax as long as I deliver. But I want to fix privacy. I'm working with a guy I respect, who is also all about privacy, but I just don't think his model works. Ideally I'll donate some dev time for free, but if I saw even a glimmer of hope, I'd go all in. We can't trust congress, we need a private sector movement. I'm offering my services for free to anyone in the space, generally speaking.
  - malio 8y ago
    > We need a private sector movement. You should reach out to a venture called Equifax. They are providing customer alerts for data breaches and a premiere data protection service. Your imagination is working against you here. The obvious and well-known reason that congress is ineffective is they work for the private sector, who is the disease; not the cure.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  Do you have any data to support your claim about what the average person thought about Equifax and Congress? I have a lot of strong opinions about privacy, but I'm also resigned to the fact that most people don't care about it as much as I do. So I don't guess what they're thinking.
  - jsjohnst 8y ago
paulie_a 8y ago
Figure out a way to make the data collected useless. You can't hide and block every attempt to track, collect and generally have your privacy invaded. But it may be possible to throw a wrench in the gears by making so much noise the data is low quality.
- dredmorbius 8y ago
  Or increasing costs of holding, exchanging, or using it.
- malio 8y ago
  That is what would be needed in the United States of Anarchy, but everyone is so busy trying to pull off their own scandle that I don’t think this could be done at an effective scale.

by axaxs 8y ago

mmiller9 8y ago

Legislation. We need legal repercussions for people who wantonly mishandle our personal information. Sorry, but the market can’t help us. This kind of shit needs to be illegal yesterday. It’s just impossible because we have a Congress that is so remarkably out of touch that they won’t do anything about it.

zeth___ 8y ago
How so many people are convinced the market will save them from the marker given the last 300 years oh history is beyond me.
- extradego 8y ago
  In America, they simply do not know the last 300 years of history.
  - krageon 8y ago
    Practically everyone knows about the second world war, but nothing is being done about rising fascism. It has nothing to do with not knowing, it's just stupidity.
    - zeth___ 8y ago
      And how many know about the Ludlow Massacre? There is no rising fascism in America, if people really knew anything about the Wiemar Republic, Republican Spain, or March on Rome they would know that the left always loses when it tried to be humane and gain power. The only time the left gains power is when 'tankies' are the ones leading the resistance.
      - extradego 8y ago
        I do not comprehend the actual point you intend to make. But, remember the left chooses the hard road, not because they can but because it is moral. Regardless, Trump is absolutely a fascist. It seems a bit futile to disagree.
    - pbhjpbhj 8y ago
      What do you suppose can be done about it?
      - krageon 8y ago
        If you need a good example, look at Germany. They have very strict laws about it and while there are still fascists there (as there are everywhere), they do not run the country. Edit: On a more practical note, it's always baffled me how normalised it is. People who defend fascists in the US media are still respected and hired. They might be prominent political figures. Somehow calling attention to someone who is fascist is confused by anyone doing something as simple as saying "liberals are evil!", as if the two party system there has anything to do with racial supremacy. As an outsider, you look at it and think "This is the country that helped liberate Europe from the Nazis. How are they not ashamed?". Maybe I think the first step is allowing shame to enter into things when you think about your nation, instead of a quasi-religious patriotism.
extradego 8y ago
Government funded elections might solve most of our society’s spiraling issues but we can’t have any clue what the value would be until we try it. And of course we can’t make honest claims to democracy until then either.
- ATsch 8y ago
  As an uninformed observer, one of the biggest issues I see is the US two party system. Do you think government funding would help with that? I've always seen it more as a weakness of the general US electoral FPTP system.
raarts 8y ago
Uhmm, actually Congress is very much in touch... With corporate interests.

joering2 8y ago

Congress grilled Equifax and nothing. Average person saw Equifax commercial on “hey be smart we will keep your info safe with alerts” and thought “wow this company cares about my data” when its precisely opposite. If the congress is unable or doesnt want to draft a bill to stop predators from milking money off of your data, then that money probably ends up in their pocket some way. Or at least some of it. Please dont quit your job for the sake of your security - food, shelter, etc. Move these assholes out with next election. Vote in young people that are probably as angry about this shit as you are, in hope they won’t sell out their soul.

axaxs 8y ago
In my ideal mind, I'd keep my job, it's pretty lax as long as I deliver. But I want to fix privacy. I'm working with a guy I respect, who is also all about privacy, but I just don't think his model works. Ideally I'll donate some dev time for free, but if I saw even a glimmer of hope, I'd go all in. We can't trust congress, we need a private sector movement. I'm offering my services for free to anyone in the space, generally speaking.
- malio 8y ago
  > We need a private sector movement. You should reach out to a venture called Equifax. They are providing customer alerts for data breaches and a premiere data protection service. Your imagination is working against you here. The obvious and well-known reason that congress is ineffective is they work for the private sector, who is the disease; not the cure.
greglindahl 8y ago
Do you have any data to support your claim about what the average person thought about Equifax and Congress? I have a lot of strong opinions about privacy, but I'm also resigned to the fact that most people don't care about it as much as I do. So I don't guess what they're thinking.
- jsjohnst 8y ago

paulie_a 8y ago

Figure out a way to make the data collected useless. You can't hide and block every attempt to track, collect and generally have your privacy invaded. But it may be possible to throw a wrench in the gears by making so much noise the data is low quality.

dredmorbius 8y ago
Or increasing costs of holding, exchanging, or using it.
malio 8y ago
That is what would be needed in the United States of Anarchy, but everyone is so busy trying to pull off their own scandle that I don’t think this could be done at an effective scale.